just been playing a 360.. hmmmm
16 December 2005, 09:29 PM
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just been playing a 360.. hmmmm
My sons just come for chrimbo 
brought his 360 with him
so ive just set it up in his room. his old rgb monitor has been moved out, as it only has rgb on din fitting...
dropped my newer monitor in ... rgb on scart...
F*ck me what are microsoft on..... only composite video on phono!!!
no probs i,ll whack the rgb phono,s into an rgb scart adaptor...
yea like ****, ive got everyone but that ...
seems a bit strange, youd have thought they would have given an rgb scart as the minimum, not a poxy composite output.
looked at perfect dark....... whats the fuss about??
what spec exactly is the box... 128bit 256?? graphics from this one are on par with the ps2,
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brought his 360 with him
so ive just set it up in his room. his old rgb monitor has been moved out, as it only has rgb on din fitting...dropped my newer monitor in ... rgb on scart...
F*ck me what are microsoft on..... only composite video on phono!!!
no probs i,ll whack the rgb phono,s into an rgb scart adaptor...
yea like ****, ive got everyone but that ...
seems a bit strange, youd have thought they would have given an rgb scart as the minimum, not a poxy composite output.
looked at perfect dark....... whats the fuss about??
what spec exactly is the box... 128bit 256?? graphics from this one are on par with the ps2,
Mart
16 December 2005, 09:41 PM
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its graphics card is better than anything a PC can offer at this moment, you have to remember the spec of the xbox is only being used by about 1/4 - 1/3 of its capabilities by the current markets games, the xbox360 is alot more than just gaming. you should read about what the box is capable off, in 2 years time the games will be a MASSIVE difference to what youve got now, look at when the PS2 first came out and what games were available, took a while to get the best from it.
Ohh and there should have been a RGB scart connector come with it, mine did.... ?!?
16 December 2005, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
its graphics card is better than anything a PC can offer at this moment, you have to remember the spec of the xbox is only being used by about 1/4 - 1/3 of its capabilities by the current markets games, the xbox360 is alot more than just gaming. you should read about what the box is capable off, in 2 years time the games will be a MASSIVE difference to what youve got now, look at when the PS2 first came out and what games were available, took a while to get the best from it.
Ohh and there should have been a RGB scart connector come with it, mine did.... ?!?
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16 December 2005, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
its graphics card is better than anything a PC can offer at this moment, you have to remember the spec of the xbox is only being used by about 1/4 - 1/3 of its capabilities by the current markets games, the xbox360 is alot more than just gaming. you should read about what the box is capable off, in 2 years time the games will be a MASSIVE difference to what youve got now, look at when the PS2 first came out and what games were available, took a while to get the best from it.
Ohh and there should have been a RGB scart connector come with it, mine did.... ?!?
And in 2 years - DirectX 10 and a new generation of GPUs will be around. Consoles will never catch up with PC gaming, but then again you have to spend a lot on PCs
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17 December 2005, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
its graphics card is better than anything a PC can offer at this moment, you have to remember the spec of the xbox is only being used by about 1/4 - 1/3 of its capabilities by the current markets games, the xbox360 is alot more than just gaming. you should read about what the box is capable off, in 2 years time the games will be a MASSIVE difference to what youve got now, look at when the PS2 first came out and what games were available, took a while to get the best from it.
Ohh and there should have been a RGB scart connector come with it, mine did.... ?!?
In fact my cheap video card is about the same price as an Xbox.
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17 December 2005, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Better video card in what respect when a top end video card will cost you 10 times the total cost of an XBox.
In fact my cheap video card is about the same price as an Xbox.
In fact my cheap video card is about the same price as an Xbox.
btw, Im not argueing that in 2 years time PCs wont be better than what the xbox has to offer but the xbox has many advantages over the PC, main one being I can sit in the front room and play if I want to (suppose I can with the PC but it looks ugly and wouldnt fit in with the AV gear etc.
17 December 2005, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
But if you knew much about it you'd know that Microsoft are making a big loss on each console. Some guy in america has stripped one down and calculated to build one from scratch it would cost approx £1000 IIRC. Microsft are not bothered though as theyre making money on software not the hardware.
btw, Im not argueing that in 2 years time PCs wont be better than what the xbox has to offer but the xbox has many advantages over the PC, main one being I can sit in the front room and play if I want to (suppose I can with the PC but it looks ugly and wouldnt fit in with the AV gear etc.
btw, Im not argueing that in 2 years time PCs wont be better than what the xbox has to offer but the xbox has many advantages over the PC, main one being I can sit in the front room and play if I want to (suppose I can with the PC but it looks ugly and wouldnt fit in with the AV gear etc.
eg http://www.coolermaster-europe.com/i...st&p_class=612
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17 December 2005, 10:30 AM
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People should stop trying to compare the 360 to a PC, they are both completely different things.
Still on the fence over the 360, the games line up is crap, mainly just ports and I haven't seen any WOW factor yet.
Still on the fence over the 360, the games line up is crap, mainly just ports and I haven't seen any WOW factor yet.
17 December 2005, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
People should stop trying to compare the 360 to a PC, they are both completely different things.
Still on the fence over the 360, the games line up is crap, mainly just ports and I haven't seen any WOW factor yet.
Still on the fence over the 360, the games line up is crap, mainly just ports and I haven't seen any WOW factor yet.
17 December 2005, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
But if you knew much about it you'd know that Microsoft are making a big loss on each console. Some guy in america has stripped one down and calculated to build one from scratch it would cost approx £1000 IIRC. Microsft are not bothered though as theyre making money on software not the hardware.
btw, Im not argueing that in 2 years time PCs wont be better than what the xbox has to offer but the xbox has many advantages over the PC, main one being I can sit in the front room and play if I want to (suppose I can with the PC but it looks ugly and wouldnt fit in with the AV gear etc.
btw, Im not argueing that in 2 years time PCs wont be better than what the xbox has to offer but the xbox has many advantages over the PC, main one being I can sit in the front room and play if I want to (suppose I can with the PC but it looks ugly and wouldnt fit in with the AV gear etc.
Yes they are different beasts but if anyone thinks the Xbox is years ahead of PCs in gfx performance then they need to take a 2nd look.
The best thing about consoles is that you can play your mates when they come around. Cant beat a footy or driving game.
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17 December 2005, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
But if you knew much about it you'd know that Microsoft are making a big loss on each console. Some guy in america has stripped one down and calculated to build one from scratch it would cost approx £1000 IIRC. Microsft are not bothered though as theyre making money on software not the hardware.
Even if they made £25 per game that would mean each Xbox user would have to buy 28 games before they would break-even.
17 December 2005, 11:07 AM
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That's right. Analysts reckon they lost more that 2 billion $ on the old xbox, and ms themselves admit it might be a while before they start breaking even on the new console. It's all small change to Microsoft though
p.s. I've got a very high end pc, (AMD X2 4800, 2gb ram, twin 512mb 7800GTX cards etc), and the 360 hi-def graphics on my 42" plasma still impress me. Not seen anything on the pc that looks as good as PGR3 yet...
p.s. I've got a very high end pc, (AMD X2 4800, 2gb ram, twin 512mb 7800GTX cards etc), and the 360 hi-def graphics on my 42" plasma still impress me. Not seen anything on the pc that looks as good as PGR3 yet...
17 December 2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by eClaire
My dad bought a 360 and is thinking of selling it this week (he hasn't even opened it yet!). How much do you reckon he will fetch for it?
17 December 2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JackClark
Don't forget xbox live subscriptions and licencing for 3rd party products. Dell have the same business model, they make no money on hardware.
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17 December 2005, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Further to that; Microsoft are even more cash-rich than General Electric with hundreds of millions of Dollars given to charity each year; both by the corporation and by Bill Gates through his charitable foundation. The losses, which look crippling to you and I, are a drop in the ocean to MS and a price well worth paying to get a foothold in your living room..........
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17 December 2005, 06:06 PM
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That's right. Analysts reckon they lost more that 2 billion $ on the old xbox, and ms themselves admit it might be a while before they start breaking even on the new console. It's all small change to Microsoft though
MS have admitted that it costs them US$470 for each 360, the Premium edition sells for $399 and costs them $526.
That I can believe, but not a loss of £700 as mentioned earlier.
17 December 2005, 07:58 PM
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Go on then, show me the link that says where microsoft admit what it costs them to build it..... You'll spend a while on google searching for that I bet.
17 December 2005, 09:43 PM
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not an MS cost structure but a good source
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11...ent_breakdown/
that was my first google search
Results 1 - 10 of about 14,100,000 for xbox 360 costs. (0.23 seconds)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11...ent_breakdown/
that was my first google search
Results 1 - 10 of about 14,100,000 for xbox 360 costs. (0.23 seconds)
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Originally Posted by davegtt
But if you knew much about it you'd know that Microsoft are making a big loss on each console. Some guy in america has stripped one down and calculated to build one from scratch it would cost approx £1000 IIRC.
Its true that the original Xbox turned into a loss for Microsoft, from a hardware point of view, but this was propped by the licensing and sw deals. I cant see MS making big losses on the hardware this time round.
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