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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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Latest Nvidia drivers (81.x series) support running different manufacturer cards in SLI, should still be the same model though (ie 2x 7800GTX) - but if one is faster than the other, they will both run at the lowest speed out of the two apparently.

Personally for best results, get two of the same.

BTW, new 512Mb versions of the GTX will available sometime in the next week or so, and a new version low end version of the 7800 too, potentially called the 7800GS.

Tomorrow is launch day at least one of the new cards - still unclear what will be launched ... and what will be available from day one.

Heres some info: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2583

A single 7800GTX is enough to run BF2 @ 1280x1024 @ Max settings. However, you'll see some benefit from 2 of 'em at 1600x1200 or higher:

mid range res: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2466&p=3
high end res: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2466&p=4

As for other games, FEAR is the hardest on CPU/GPUs at the moment:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2575


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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 05:30 PM
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I have a 6800gt and am wondering whether its worth getting another to run it the both in SLI. Or would a 7800 on its own be better?

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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 05:53 PM
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I have a 6800gt and am wondering whether its worth getting another to run it the both in SLI. Or would a 7800 on its own be better?

Simon.
7800GTX would be a better bet
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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 07:35 PM
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Nowadays manufacturers almost never deviate from the reference design, so it should be perfectly possible to mix'n'match different versions of the same card, provided both are similar nominal spec. Only thing to watch out for is that different manufacturer's cards are sometimes set to different clock speeds in firmware, and I'm not sure whether that has an effect.


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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
Nowadays manufacturers almost never deviate from the reference design, so it should be perfectly possible to mix'n'match different versions of the same card, provided both are similar nominal spec. Only thing to watch out for is that different manufacturer's cards are sometimes set to different clock speeds in firmware, and I'm not sure whether that has an effect.


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And most seem to clock to roughly the same speed - although the EE versions that Leadtek and XFX do are pre overclocked to 490/1300 - certainly a good starting point
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Old Nov 6, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dieseldog
Thanks DrEvil. Yup, after buying that 24" Dell screen on Friday I now realise the expense has only just begun!
A mate I were discussing 7800 512s in SLI today.. then realised we'd have to add a new monitor into the equation to make it worth while... like the one you just got... soon adds up!
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Old Nov 8, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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I understood the problems with BF2 might be solved with increased RAM. I've read of many people going to 2GB and finding it much better on FPS.

I would also suggest that your CPU won't allow the 7800 its full head. May also want to look at an A64 3500.

Personally I've got 1GB RAM, 6600GT and an A64 3200 (IIRC) all on stock speeds and I can run HL2:Lost Coast demo at an acceptable rate and still enjoy the new HDR lighting.
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Old Nov 8, 2005 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EddScott
I understood the problems with BF2 might be solved with increased RAM. I've read of many people going to 2GB and finding it much better on FPS.

I would also suggest that your CPU won't allow the 7800 its full head. May also want to look at an A64 3500.

Personally I've got 1GB RAM, 6600GT and an A64 3200 (IIRC) all on stock speeds and I can run HL2:Lost Coast demo at an acceptable rate and still enjoy the new HDR lighting.
Yep, when running BF2 at high settings on a 64 player map, it will potentially use more than 1Gb, around 1.2Gb - it does run smoother with 2Gb installed, as does FEAR.

Corsair do a nice kit, Twinx XMS3200C2PT 2x1Gb modules, runs happily at 2-3-3-6 1T @ DDR400 on my system (A8N-SLI premium/FX53).

If you can, go for the 3700 over the 3500, or even the 4000, £s permitting.
Of course if you're a mad overclocker, good results can be got from the lower end of the AMD64 range.
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Old Nov 8, 2005 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dieseldog
Thanks guys, although I'm like a dog watching the telly with all this "2-3-3-6" stuff

Thinking of the Asus A8N-SLi mobo (the heat pipe cooling I like the sound of) and an AMD Athlon 64 3800+ (Dual Core) for starters, still to decide on a graphics card, and RAM, but as works going to be really busy for the next 10 days, I have a couple of weeks to think about it all.

If I'm going wrong anywhere feel free to chip in, although I'd rather not see it turning into that old 'Not The Nine O'Clock News' Hi-Fi shop sketch (anyone remember it?)...
Exactly the spec I'm very nearly buying.
I've lost count of the times I've almost pressed "submit" on the overclockers shopping cart. Just can't bring myself to spend so much money in one go...yet

Oh and asking Dr Evil not to over spec (and convince you that you need to! ) is asking the impossible!
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Old Nov 8, 2005 | 05:58 PM
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Eh.. what.. dunno what you two mean

BTW, if you can't stretch to a BFG 7800GT (235 ish), check out the new 6800GS, especially the XFX overclocked version

Nice spec DD

Geil do some good value Dual Channel 2Gb kits
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Old Nov 8, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Neanderthal
I've lost count of the times I've almost pressed "submit" on the overclockers shopping cart. Just can't bring myself to spend so much money in one go...yet

£1600 in the last four months....

But then this was the result:




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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
£1600 in the last four months....

But then this was the result:




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Nice one - whats the GTX clocked at?
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DrEvil
Nice one - whats the GTX clocked at?

500/1350 - any more and I start to get artifacts.


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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
500/1350 - any more and I start to get artifacts.


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Good clock - which models that then - Leadtek?

Was sort of o/c you getting out the 3700?

(sorry for the slight hijack)
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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XFX - the standard one, not the EE or whatever they call it.

The 3700+ is at 270 x 10.0 (air cooling by XP90C + 50cfm 92mm fan). I can run the RAM at 300MHz, but the CPU's memory controller won't take it unfortunately.


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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
XFX - the standard one, not the EE or whatever they call it.

The 3700+ is at 270 x 10.0 (air cooling by XP90C + 50cfm 92mm fan). I can run the RAM at 300MHz, but the CPU's memory controller won't take it unfortunately.


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Nice, quite a few are getting good clocks on the XFX (in fact most makes) standard 7800GTX.

As for the 3700, thats damn good, 2.7 seems to be the limit on air still.
I've got an XP90 on my FX53 - shame its a dud FX chip thou, doesn't overclock at all (or I'm a dud overclocker, one of the two ).

*might* be ordering 2x 7800GTX 512's on monday

Launch date is the 14th for sure.

PS. XFX 7800 UEE now, as the EE is only 475/1300 or similar, the UEE (original EE) is 490/1300.
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 05:05 PM
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Dieseldog - you bought anything yet then?

How about this spec to power your dell?

AMD64 3700 or 4000 / X2 3800 or X2 4400
A8N-SLI premium
2Gb Geil Value Dual Channel kit or Corsair 2Gb TwinX XMS3200C2PT kit (both are 2x1Gb modules)
Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty sound card or Xtreme Music version if you don't need the front bay
2x BFG 7800GT o/c
2x Western Digital Raptors 74Gb versions (one OS, one game/data)
NEC DVDRW
Floppy drive (for bios updates)

Should be ok for gaming
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 08:55 PM
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1. I've recently been benchmarking and found that by using a 1GB value stick of Ram in single channel mode, compared to 512MB of (expensive)low latency Ram in Dual channel mode, Both PC3200(400MHz) gets you approx a 10% FPS increase.

Wether you find it to be usefull to go with value or expensive is probaly going to come down to budget maybe?

If you were to go with the "OK" rig the DrEvil suggests then you might argue that you wouldnt notice the 10% at the speed it will run at, but on the other hand it would be criminal not to let it stretch its legs

2. See attatched pic. I can't really offer a lot other than if you can afford to, get 2 as DrEvil also suggests so you can get the best from them, or even run them in Raid.




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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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If you were to go with the "OK" rig the DrEvil suggests
it's no win init... I go budget suggestions and still loose!

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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 10:18 PM
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2. Ditto 'Raptor' hard drives versus my current.
Raptors have made a big difference to me - I'm first in on the battlefield!
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Old Nov 9, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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PS. I can do budget honest But if you will buy 24" dells, that screams big budget!
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Originally Posted by DrEvil
Raptors have made a big difference to me - I'm first in on the battlefield!
Always ??
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 11:48 AM
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Nearly always

Still I haven't raptor'd my OS disk yet , just my game HD.
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I got an Asus A8N-SLI premium. It's the dogs danglies
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Old Nov 10, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by James Neill
I got an Asus A8N-SLI premium. It's the dogs danglies
Yep - you seen the new 2x x16 PCI-E ASUS board? A8N-32 , heat piped cooled too
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