Home Hightway - worth it?
#1
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Hi,
Question on HH and ISDN etc. My girlfriend is planing to work from home so we need another line installed. Shouldn't be a problem as there were two lines at my house before I moved in. Talked to BT and they said 'ah, why not go for HH. Just a fraction more per month AND you get ISDN as well as 2 'phone lines'...
Now this sounded good as BT have said that ADSL for me is a no no. And I would prefer ASDL. So, is ISDN noticably faster than the 56K modem I have now? And advice?
I normally get a download speed of about 40Kbps - can be 31.2 as now when BT is busy.
[Also, it seems that the ISDN survey measures the same line noise stuff as the ASDL tests SO I may get a clue as to why they say ASDL won't work].
Cheers for any advice.
Dave
Question on HH and ISDN etc. My girlfriend is planing to work from home so we need another line installed. Shouldn't be a problem as there were two lines at my house before I moved in. Talked to BT and they said 'ah, why not go for HH. Just a fraction more per month AND you get ISDN as well as 2 'phone lines'...
Now this sounded good as BT have said that ADSL for me is a no no. And I would prefer ASDL. So, is ISDN noticably faster than the 56K modem I have now? And advice?
I normally get a download speed of about 40Kbps - can be 31.2 as now when BT is busy.
[Also, it seems that the ISDN survey measures the same line noise stuff as the ASDL tests SO I may get a clue as to why they say ASDL won't work].
Cheers for any advice.
Dave
#2
Watch out for the contract being tied to the property as well as the individual. When I last moved house, I had to pay the outstanding line rental on the HH contract. I offered to pay for a new installation at the new property and carry the contract term over and BT wouldn't have it so I terminated every contract I had with them (3 x analogue lines, [now] broadband and my moby), say £2k/yr revenue and sent a strop mail to Ben Verweyhan(sp). His response reinforced their **** off position.
#3
I've previously had home highway installed. I've now got Business highway as work is now paying and I an't get ADSL. Considering the price, IMHO ISDN is not really worth the money. Don't forget that even though you may get £10 or £15 worth of calls free in your shocking monthly bill, if you use the net a lot, or during office hours, this won't last long.
Also if you pay even more on top to get free dial-up from an ISP then none of the companies offer free access at 128k - it's always just 64k.
The service is faster than a modem. You get a solid speed rather than the somewhat variable speed of a modem. My ISDN on both home and business highway runs at a steady 7.0-7.2 k/second.
Bottom line - if I was paying my line would have been cancelled long ago and I'd be happy with a modem.
Hope this helps
Joolz
PS. Reason I can't get ADSL is I am too far away from the exchange. But my next dooor neighbours (ON BOTH SIDES) have it installed. ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Also if you pay even more on top to get free dial-up from an ISP then none of the companies offer free access at 128k - it's always just 64k.
The service is faster than a modem. You get a solid speed rather than the somewhat variable speed of a modem. My ISDN on both home and business highway runs at a steady 7.0-7.2 k/second.
Bottom line - if I was paying my line would have been cancelled long ago and I'd be happy with a modem.
Hope this helps
Joolz
PS. Reason I can't get ADSL is I am too far away from the exchange. But my next dooor neighbours (ON BOTH SIDES) have it installed. ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img][img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
#4
I'm in the sticks so ADSL is no-go.
I have HH and certainly wouldn't go back to a modem. Its not just the speed increase. Guaranteed 64K vs 33 to about 48K from the Internet, 64K vs 28K to the internet but the "latency" - how long information takes to go back and forth - is lower. For some things that makes it feel much faster than just the bandwidth would suggest.
Also the dial-up time is a 1 or 2 seconds against 20 ro 30 for a modem to train to its best speed.
I have home netwrok with a router doing dial-on-demand and in most respects its as good as having an "always-on" connection. You dont notice the delay in logging on. Certainly get away from the feeling you get with a modem that you have to make a conscious decision to dial-up and the later to disconnect.
It also makes working from home much better. Corporate E-Mail is much easier over ISDN than a modem. I pay for mine and am more than happy with the benefits over a a modem.
Works out about £50/Qtr more than a single standard line for me. I have an anytime ISP account, but would need that regardless of whether its modem or ISDN so doesn't really come into it.
Deano
I have HH and certainly wouldn't go back to a modem. Its not just the speed increase. Guaranteed 64K vs 33 to about 48K from the Internet, 64K vs 28K to the internet but the "latency" - how long information takes to go back and forth - is lower. For some things that makes it feel much faster than just the bandwidth would suggest.
Also the dial-up time is a 1 or 2 seconds against 20 ro 30 for a modem to train to its best speed.
I have home netwrok with a router doing dial-on-demand and in most respects its as good as having an "always-on" connection. You dont notice the delay in logging on. Certainly get away from the feeling you get with a modem that you have to make a conscious decision to dial-up and the later to disconnect.
It also makes working from home much better. Corporate E-Mail is much easier over ISDN than a modem. I pay for mine and am more than happy with the benefits over a a modem.
Works out about £50/Qtr more than a single standard line for me. I have an anytime ISP account, but would need that regardless of whether its modem or ISDN so doesn't really come into it.
Deano
#5
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jbryant
Seems to me a little networking is in order. Why not suggest that you pay for the ADSL router and cabling from one of the neighbour's ASDL connections?
Seems to me a little networking is in order. Why not suggest that you pay for the ADSL router and cabling from one of the neighbour's ASDL connections?
#6
XRS,
We've already looked into it. Wireless is a no-go using current standards (not eaxctly cheap either) and the distance involved from PC to PC would exceed the CAT5 limit. I'd be happy to have a cable running from house to house but don't want repeaters or suchlike in the back gardens
Joolz.
We've already looked into it. Wireless is a no-go using current standards (not eaxctly cheap either) and the distance involved from PC to PC would exceed the CAT5 limit. I'd be happy to have a cable running from house to house but don't want repeaters or suchlike in the back gardens
Joolz.
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#9
It's actually my next-door-neighbour + 1, and I'd have to go down to the end of my garden, and along the back of next door (not friends) before dropping into my friend's garden and all the way back to his house.
Fibre just seems like an awful lot of hassle. I'm sure I'll get around to it one day. Why they can't just install the damn thing for me is anyone's guess.
Joolz
Fibre just seems like an awful lot of hassle. I'm sure I'll get around to it one day. Why they can't just install the damn thing for me is anyone's guess.
Joolz
#10
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Ta for all the info guys. Gonna go with HH anyway. 1) ADSL won't work here (although going through OFTEL at the moment just so that BT will actually talk to me about it - and why it won't work - whe I have 3 neighbours within 20 yds where it does work!!!) and 2) we need a seperate 'phone line so HH is just a smidgeon more than 2 seperate lines and we get high speed access to boot.
jbryant - apparently BT went to Maggie years ago and wanted government help to lay fibre everywhere they had copper. She refused gov. help for whatever reason. To be honest I guess there was no compelling reason back in the 80's. Hind sight is wonderful though .....
Dave
PS: don't hink that Blair with his 'Broadband Britain' is any better. If you new the hassles I've been thorugh just to be told 'no you can't have ADSL' ........
jbryant - apparently BT went to Maggie years ago and wanted government help to lay fibre everywhere they had copper. She refused gov. help for whatever reason. To be honest I guess there was no compelling reason back in the 80's. Hind sight is wonderful though .....
Dave
PS: don't hink that Blair with his 'Broadband Britain' is any better. If you new the hassles I've been thorugh just to be told 'no you can't have ADSL' ........
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