tmp

Have any of you guys been in this car, are they quick in a straight line?

Reason being - caught up with one yesterday evening. He then got a good 5 second head start on me as we pulled away from a T junction. I caught him up at around 60-80, but after that there was not much in it. I then backed off as we approached license loosing speed....

Tim.

NBW

Tim,

I test drove one before I bought the Scoob. Quite quick, certainly quicker than the Golf 1.8T, but just as characterless.

Wouldn't have thought they would have been in the same league as a Scoob, certainly didn't feel as quick. Reaction to test drive of the Scoob was 'Oh my God this is quick'. After 2 minutes in the Seat, I was admiring the switch gear and the quality of the stitching on the upholstery - dull!

Might get one when I'm older though

Cheers
Tim

kprm77_2

I test drove one when changing my company car.

I'd prefer one to a 1.8T Golf - definately quicker, though uninvolving (didn't bother testing the Golf, though I have been in one). Excellent for that price range - only thing I can think of that is in that price range (new) would be the Skoda Octavia RS 1.8T.

Didn't feel as quick as my Saab 9000 2.3T (220BHP) in a straight line though. Saab probably weighs about 3 tons more too!

Kevin Mc

[Edited by kprm77_2 - 3/16/2002 9:23:05 AM]

dba

feel quicker than they actually are cus of the torquey thing going on.Boring to drive though.

polarbearit

Well I was ultimately unimpressed when I test drove one, saleswomen was telling me how quick it was... All I was thinking was how dull and slow it felt

I really did want to like it, but really didn't.

MattW

I had one for 3 months. Partexed for WRX My01 - nuff said.

kwakman

Lead an Evo meet where a Leon boy with a claimed 225 bhp said he'd give me a fright. As soon as we National Limit he was behind me and I pulled away like his handbrake was up, the difference being even more apparent in the twisties. So the answer to the question is no, a jap import classic shape Scoob is in an entirely different league than an fwd rebadged V-dub.

BigJim

Not a true drivers car, but quick, smooth, audi A3 dash, matches VW quality, loads of kit for 15k, insurance/fuel costs reasonable, subtle looks less of a vandal/thief magnet....
Worth considering once you've grown up a bit......

[Edited by BigJim - 3/18/2002 1:14:38 PM]

RB170

I had one just about stay with me up to a ton...but then I left him. I was surprised.......

I drive an RB5 WRsport

Mike

tmp

As I said, I backed off before the speed got silly. Plus this was on a country lane and things were getting v.bumpy!

I just have a MY01 WRX

Tim.

[Edited by tmp - 3/18/2002 6:03:02 PM]

cryptwalk

I had a blue one chase me onto a motorway, i did think what is that? Was quite quick for about 10 seconds before i opened mine up.

Nice looking car though.

Crypt.
My95 wrex various mods.

Mosser

I drive a company car and have a choice of driving either a P1 or a Leon Cupra (we have got both at work and 1 is always spare)

I seem to have adopted the Leon as my everyday car mainly because it gives a more comfortable ride, gives far better fuel economy (22mpg for the P1 V's 32 for the Leon) is quieter on the motorways and offers better creature comforts,

I agree that the P1 is slightly quicker (not as much as you would think though) and definatly handles better, but on a recent track day it wasnt very far behind the scoobys and i think the P1 owners were suprised at not being able to get round the Leons on the 1 mile straight!!

At a traffic light shootout the P1 absolutely kills the Leon because of its 4wd, but from 60-150 there is very little in it

I still take the P1 out every now and then just for the smile factor but i'm afraid that the Leon won me over for my everyday car!


[Edited by Mosser - 3/21/2002 12:11:41 AM]

Mosser

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the Leon i'm driving has an upsolute chip in it and it producing 212Bhp and 225Lb/Ft torque!!

cryptwalk

These cars are getting more popular now, last night I was behind another space caddet. He was in a very bright yellow one, pretty quick for a seat.

Mosser

The main reson they are so quick is that power at the wheels is 191Bhp, the 6 speed cable change VW gearbox that they use s incredibly efficient!(only a 9%loss), compare that to the 80bhp losses of a 280bhp P1 and you'll find that the power being put down on the tarmac is only 9bhp lower, thats why there isnt much difference between them once the leon has stopped wheelspinning!

FreeT

Mosser does that mean you switch off the T/C or doesnt it work very well since you mod'd it?

Mosser

The T/C on the leons is pants!!, if it detects the wheels spinning too much, all it does it to kill the throttle response for 1-2 seconds, then if you've still got your foot down it wheelspins again and kills the power again!!, it makes for very slow progress!!

The first thing i do when i get into my car is to turn it off

FreeT

Is it not the same system on all vw models? why poor on leon

Mosser

I think it is because of the amount of power it is being asked to cope with, it wasnt designed to have that much, the resolution of the system doesnt seem to be good enough, some people have fitted racelogic tcs and it works wonderfully!

MRK_IV

"The main reson they are so quick is that power at the wheels is 191Bhp, the 6 speed cable change VW gearbox that they use s incredibly efficient!(only a 9%loss), compare that to the 80bhp losses of a 280bhp P1 and you'll find that the power being put down on the tarmac is only 9bhp lower, thats why there isnt much difference between them once the leon has stopped wheelspinning! "

Congratulations. That is the biggest pile of steaming shyte I have ever read in my whole life. Ever. Your reasoning behind transmission loss is not only dumbfounding but an embarassment to VW enthusiasts. Do some research before posting drivel like that gain, there's a good lad.

Mosser

Go and look at my 2 independant separate dyno plots that prove it if you want, there online for all to see!, what is it that you are questioning? that the loss is so low? or that you think i'm lying?

MRK_IV

RR Dynos don't mean jack - who did them?
What I'm objecting to is that you've mixed up transmission loss because of gearbox efficiency and loss through a 4WD system.
And while we're at it - get a calculator.

[Edited by MRK_IV - 3/22/2002 1:21:02 AM]

Mosser

Well i apologise if i have mixed them up, everyone has to learn sometime, what is it that i have mixed up then?, i thought that when the RR's did the overrun test, this showed up the total losses through the gearbox and transmission?, what does it show then?,

And why is it not right to compare cars by their actual wheel Bhp output?, it is my understanding that this shows a better measure of a cars on the road potential because the more power you are putting down at the wheels, is the actual figure that determines how fast you can go??

Surely if you had 2 cars with identical engine Bhp outputs of say 150Bhp, but one car lost 15Bhp through the transmission and the other car lost 35Bhp, then surely the car with the lower transmission losses is going to be faster??, or have i got something fundamentally wrong in my understanding of this??

FreeT

MRK_IV : please explain in literate terms, as i too don't understand what you are trying to say.

FreeT

double post - error

[Edited by FreeT - 3/22/2002 9:03:23 AM]

TaviaRS

Please explain to me as well MRK. I'm at a bit of a loss as to what you are saying in the everso delicate way. I believe Mosser has a point about comparing the at the wheels figures for real life performance on the road rather than the headline grabbing peak power and torque figures. I am loosing 12% on mine according to PE, but my peak figures aren't that good, 223bhp and 248lb/ft, so I would be biased wouldn't I.

tmp

MRK_IV,

I have to agree with the comments made by the other guys, and chill out a little

Tim.

mik

Gary MkIV ~ we all know:-

a. You are the worldwide authority on all VAG products
b. You like to be confrontational

Don't personally think it was called for here ~ and since you're not well known on this site maybe you could provide some facts to enlighten folks?

Sarah_uk

maybe its YOU thats full of ****e MRK. You post up all that stuff that makes no sense (and which was uncalled for), then when asked for a simple explanation to your utter ****e you cant give one....tosser. Your a waste of space on this forum and and should be banned for just being such a *****.

whelme

GO GIRL, well said