New Scirocco R20
20 May 2009, 03:46 PM
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Interesting as some of you may remember I was all in love with the Scirocco when I was looking for a car - until I drove it! I did love the looks though and thought it was a really special presence on the road.
The wierd thing is I have seen a few on the road now and really didn't notice them. I was even stuck in traffic the other day and idly thought - why has that Hyundai got Scirocco wheels on it - are they copies or are they nicked - and then I realised it was a Scirocco in plain red. Very dull.
The wierd thing is I have seen a few on the road now and really didn't notice them. I was even stuck in traffic the other day and idly thought - why has that Hyundai got Scirocco wheels on it - are they copies or are they nicked - and then I realised it was a Scirocco in plain red. Very dull.
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It doesnt float my boat, one ugly car from the front and back, flat nose and fat *** 
though i was never a great fan of vw's, i still think its not a contender to the likes of the corrado, if they could do that, they would have a good car on their hands 
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though i was never a great fan of vw's, i still think its not a contender to the likes of the corrado, if they could do that, they would have a good car on their hands Tony
20 May 2009, 10:24 PM
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Volkswagen is making an effort to reduce fuel consumption and emissions, and thus make its performance cars more socially acceptable,
I'm sorry, its 2 cylinders short, needs that turbocharger dumped into a skip, requires another 1600cc and is crying out for two more driven wheels.
Audi's 5pot might have been a compromise; depends how good the throttle reponse and torque curve is, as the 2.0 4pot FSI is pants.
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20 May 2009, 11:35 PM
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Presumably the Golf version will be slightly sluggish due to the weight but then the Gti already produces 0-60 at 6.9 secs - so will it be different? I thought they were releasing info on this at the same time?
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21 May 2009, 09:46 AM
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Looks like they're using the S3's Turbo too. As most people will know, the S3's engine can be chipped to 300bhp+
I think a mapped R20 will be fast enough to see off the Focus RS (1333kg V's 1500kg)
Personally, I'd have liked to have seen it AWD.
See how work goes over the next 12 months. If ok, then I quite fancy the Scirocco R20.
21 May 2009, 10:02 AM
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Like pretty much all modern high power FWD cars with fly-by-wire throttle. The ECU will not allow the driver to use full throttle or "snap open" the throttle in certain situations (low speed, low gear, during gear changes, etc).
So the engine will not produce its full power potential in 1st 2nd and probably 3rd gear too. Regardless of the ESP being turned off.
Likewise the same method is used to make the engine appear less laggy, and appear to have more low speed torque and response at low engine speed in high gear, by opening the throttle more than the driver is actually demanding in certain situations.
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21 May 2009, 11:02 AM
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They have. The new 2.0TSI engine has been dumped in favour of the old GTI (197bhp) engine, which is essentially what is in the S3.
Looks like they're using the S3's Turbo too. As most people will know, the S3's engine can be chipped to 300bhp+
I think a mapped R20 will be fast enough to see off the Focus RS (1333kg V's 1500kg)
Personally, I'd have liked to have seen it AWD.
See how work goes over the next 12 months. If ok, then I quite fancy the Scirocco R20.
Looks like they're using the S3's Turbo too. As most people will know, the S3's engine can be chipped to 300bhp+
I think a mapped R20 will be fast enough to see off the Focus RS (1333kg V's 1500kg)
Personally, I'd have liked to have seen it AWD.
See how work goes over the next 12 months. If ok, then I quite fancy the Scirocco R20.
Edited to say as is the head.
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21 May 2009, 01:00 PM
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Basically; VW cheat by limiting engine soutput in circumstances likely to cause wheel spin or torquesteer.
Like pretty much all modern high power FWD cars with fly-by-wire throttle. The ECU will not allow the driver to use full throttle or "snap open" the throttle in certain situations (low speed, low gear, during gear changes, etc).
So the engine will not produce its full power potential in 1st 2nd and probably 3rd gear too. Regardless of the ESP being turned off.
Likewise the same method is used to make the engine appear less laggy, and appear to have more low speed torque and response at low engine speed in high gear, by opening the throttle more than the driver is actually demanding in certain situations.
Like pretty much all modern high power FWD cars with fly-by-wire throttle. The ECU will not allow the driver to use full throttle or "snap open" the throttle in certain situations (low speed, low gear, during gear changes, etc).
So the engine will not produce its full power potential in 1st 2nd and probably 3rd gear too. Regardless of the ESP being turned off.
Likewise the same method is used to make the engine appear less laggy, and appear to have more low speed torque and response at low engine speed in high gear, by opening the throttle more than the driver is actually demanding in certain situations.
21 May 2009, 10:44 PM
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Turbo torque curve is awesome, and a ko4 turboed 2.0T is a completely different animal to drive than the ko3 turboed 2.0t as fitted to the 200 and 211hp 2.0t.
21 May 2009, 10:52 PM
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Basically; VW cheat by limiting engine soutput in circumstances likely to cause wheel spin or torquesteer.
Like pretty much all modern high power FWD cars with fly-by-wire throttle. The ECU will not allow the driver to use full throttle or "snap open" the throttle in certain situations (low speed, low gear, during gear changes, etc).
So the engine will not produce its full power potential in 1st 2nd and probably 3rd gear too. Regardless of the ESP being turned off.
Likewise the same method is used to make the engine appear less laggy, and appear to have more low speed torque and response at low engine speed in high gear, by opening the throttle more than the driver is actually demanding in certain situations.
Like pretty much all modern high power FWD cars with fly-by-wire throttle. The ECU will not allow the driver to use full throttle or "snap open" the throttle in certain situations (low speed, low gear, during gear changes, etc).
So the engine will not produce its full power potential in 1st 2nd and probably 3rd gear too. Regardless of the ESP being turned off.
Likewise the same method is used to make the engine appear less laggy, and appear to have more low speed torque and response at low engine speed in high gear, by opening the throttle more than the driver is actually demanding in certain situations.
This scirrocco has the same engine as the S3. ko4 turbo, increase strength internals etc over a standard 211hp GTI.
This rocco will tune to 360hp with just a remap, high pressure fuel pum and full turbo back exhaust. So about 2 grands worth of mods. We have seen figures of over 530nm of torque and over 370hp on this engine in the UK. The engine will give more but the tuner who had this specific cupra on the dynoed was having trouble finding out just how powerful the car really was as even in 5th gear on the rollers the car was still spinning its tires. Greek tuners have reported over 400hp on this engine on the standard turbo and internals.
A 360hp cupra gets to 140mp ten secs quicker than the focus RS and the new scooby sti.
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22 May 2009, 01:13 AM
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Wrong, full power is available in 1st 2nd and third, the esp if on will reign thinks in slightly when grip is excessivelly scarce but full power is available. Its not a focus ST or RS which doenst give full power.
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22 May 2009, 11:00 AM
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Wrong, full power is available in 1st 2nd and third, the esp if on will reign thinks in slightly when grip is excessivelly scarce but full power is available. Its not a focus ST or RS which doenst give full power.
This scirrocco has the same engine as the S3. ko4 turbo, increase strength internals etc over a standard 211hp GTI.
This rocco will tune to 360hp with just a remap, high pressure fuel pum and full turbo back exhaust. So about 2 grands worth of mods. We have seen figures of over 530nm of torque and over 370hp on this engine in the UK. The engine will give more but the tuner who had this specific cupra on the dynoed was having trouble finding out just how powerful the car really was as even in 5th gear on the rollers the car was still spinning its tires. Greek tuners have reported over 400hp on this engine on the standard turbo and internals.
A 360hp cupra gets to 140mp ten secs quicker than the focus RS and the new scooby sti.
This scirrocco has the same engine as the S3. ko4 turbo, increase strength internals etc over a standard 211hp GTI.
This rocco will tune to 360hp with just a remap, high pressure fuel pum and full turbo back exhaust. So about 2 grands worth of mods. We have seen figures of over 530nm of torque and over 370hp on this engine in the UK. The engine will give more but the tuner who had this specific cupra on the dynoed was having trouble finding out just how powerful the car really was as even in 5th gear on the rollers the car was still spinning its tires. Greek tuners have reported over 400hp on this engine on the standard turbo and internals.
A 360hp cupra gets to 140mp ten secs quicker than the focus RS and the new scooby sti.
Almost certain it's not the old K04 on the new Rocco, Can't see it reaching anywhere near 400bhp, I was at 307bhp on a old 225 Cupra R and that was the lot. Have you any links to support this?
22 May 2009, 06:00 PM
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The K04 on the 2.0T is completly different to that of the 1.8T. Stupid having the same name really but its about the same size as a garret 2067 or something like that. Safelz maxxed out at about 385bhp tuners in the UK reckon, but in greece a few guys are running just over 400bhp on the standard turbo.
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