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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 04:26 PM
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I'm looking to place a Fire Extinguisher in the car, any suggestions as to where to get one from and what sort is best for car use ?
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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si ask stevebt as he seems to be an expert on them
or frayz, he has one in his car and he fashioned a bracket for it to be held in place
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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It's Frayz's install that has got me motivated on this one, I'll be making a bracket and dropping one in the same place.... just need to understand which sort to put in
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 06:54 PM
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Powder as it will cope with all fire types, although if you're worried about mess look at a co2 or halon. BUT powder will beat them at putting out a fire.

go for a 1Kg one from halfords as any smaller will be pointless any bigger will just get in the way, and any fire it wont put out will be to big to tackle safely.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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Powder as it will cope with all fire types, although if you're worried about mess look at a co2 or halon. BUT powder will beat them at putting out a fire.
Halon is no longer an option. A compact CO2 will knock the fire down but rarely put it out. DP is the most effective but means that after use your car would require the valet of all valets.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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Thanks gents well it's the sort of thing you would never hope to use but it's safer to carry one than not to.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 08:37 PM
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You want a powder Si, a minimum of 1Kg, bigger if you can get one to fit.

I have two in my car. One is mounted in front of the passenger seat, i have a 2nd mounted in the boot. The idea being that i have a 2nd if required.

Hope that helps

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Great Frayz, good pic it's another job on the list to sort out.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 11:11 PM
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[quote=Silver Scooby Sport;7755040]Great Frayz, good pic it's another job on the list to sort out.

Si if you want portable ones i get get them off my fire exting chap who does my 2 units, company is firerite in caerphilly
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by frayz
You want a powder Si, a minimum of 1Kg, bigger if you can get one to fit.

I have two in my car. One is mounted in front of the passenger seat, i have a 2nd mounted in the boot. The idea being that i have a 2nd if required.

Hope that helps

Im gona remount one of mine next week the same as that! Any idea of the dimention between the bolts, save memeasuring it?
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dspeed
Im gona remount one of mine next week the same as that! Any idea of the dimention between the bolts, save memeasuring it?
I'll let you know that when I measure mine Rob... First job for me is finding some suitable material to do it in.... not back in work until Wednesday here

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Si if you want portable ones i get get them off my fire exting chap who does my 2 units, company is firerite in caerphilly
Thanks Yan I'll let you know on that
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 11:53 PM
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Cant remember exactly if im honest buddy, 430mm rings a bell but dont quote me, measure yourself just to be sure.
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> if you're worried about mess look at a co2 or halon. BUT powder will beat
> them at putting out a fire.

Halon is the best extinguishant bar none, far better than powder.

One problem is it's a gas so in the open air it can blow away and the fire can then reignite, under the bonnet fine, in the interior fine, but outdoors it's a worry. The other problem is a tad more important, under the 1989 montreal protocol it's no longer legal to sell them as the gas used, BCF, is a serious ozone depletor, far worse than methane or CO2.

MSA did a back to back test with a fire under a dummy bonnet to assess what they'd use when halon was banned. To pass the test the extinguishers had to put the fire out in 20 secs. The results were something like powder 15 secs, CO2 14 secs, AFFF (a water based foam) 19 secs. Then they tried the banned halon which put it out in about 0.1 secs. So if you've got a halon one then hang on to it but if you're looking to purchase it's no longer an option.

If you go for powder then the main problem with their use in cars is that over time the powder can pack down with the vibration into a solid lump. Take them out of their bracket every few months, turn them upside down and give them a good shake and they're supposed to be fine.
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chelspeed
> if you're worried about mess look at a co2 or halon. BUT powder will beat
> them at putting out a fire.

Halon is the best extinguishant bar none, far better than powder.

One problem is it's a gas so in the open air it can blow away and the fire can then reignite, under the bonnet fine, in the interior fine, but outdoors it's a worry. The other problem is a tad more important, under the 1989 montreal protocol it's no longer legal to sell them as the gas used, BCF, is a serious ozone depletor, far worse than methane or CO2.

MSA did a back to back test with a fire under a dummy bonnet to assess what they'd use when halon was banned. To pass the test the extinguishers had to put the fire out in 20 secs. The results were something like powder 15 secs, CO2 14 secs, AFFF (a water based foam) 19 secs. Then they tried the banned halon which put it out in about 0.1 secs. So if you've got a halon one then hang on to it but if you're looking to purchase it's no longer an option.

If you go for powder then the main problem with their use in cars is that over time the powder can pack down with the vibration into a solid lump. Take them out of their bracket every few months, turn them upside down and give them a good shake and they're supposed to be fine.

Good info
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 11:24 AM
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I'm running the same extinguisher as Frayz, Si, and i've got it mounted to the boot lid. Its easily/quickly accessable in case of an emergency and i used the standard mounting bracket along with a velcro strap to hold it in place in case you slam the boot a bit hard. As for the mess a powder extinguisher makes, if you have a fire, cleaning up the powder will be the least of your worries.
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SwissTony
si ask stevebt as he seems to be an expert on them
Oi, leave it just because I have actually used a couple
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Old Mar 24, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
Oi, leave it just because I have actually used a couple
well they say first hand experience is the best recommendation
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