Ms Gooner 1

Hello all - as you may recall we needed a clutch replaced recently but since having it done the position on the pedal doesn't seem right. whereas before the position was half way or just under, the clutch position now is literally at the top as you take your foot off the pedal! Not ideal and it seems that re-bleeding it has not worked!

Anyone got any advice - again!!! LOL

Cornelius

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That don't sound right at all, bite should be below halfway.
Could be a number of reasons

1. Airlock
2. Fluid needs replacing
3. Clutch cylinder seals gone
4. Clutch cylinder not positioned correctly
5. Fluid hose has aged and is ballooning

Ms Gooner 1

well its been like this since day 1 of having it fitted! I had the whole clutch replaced despite the problem was only down to the release bearing on the last one. I did return after about 3 days to ask about it and they tried bleeding it, but its obviously still the same. I did think that maybe it'd be something that may settle down on its own, but the work was done at the end of October (just in time for tunnel run) and the cars only being used at weekends at the moment but its not changed position at all. In addition, I have started to smell burnt clutch! Which to me isn't right at all! Could that mean that its not dis-engaging properly?

Budgie

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ask frayz
or paul of course

budgie

Cornelius

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Thanks Budgie

If you're getting a smell of burning clutch, then to me, the clutch hasn't been fitted properly, when I change a clutch, I always change the release bearing and pressure plate ( 3 piece clutch set), also, it's recommended that the flywheel is changed when a clutch is changed

Ms Gooner 1

Well WE supplied the kit and it was 3 piece! We payed them to fit. What should I do now and how can I rectify? Does this mean I need it done again from scratch or can it maybe be repositioned?

Ms Gooner 1

BTTT cause I still need advice

Budgie

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to the left of the stoppy peddle

budgie

Cornelius

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PM "Her @ the back" she had exactly the same problem, took her old scoob in to have the clutch done, only for it to last a few days and go again, I can't remember what the out come was now, but that car is fine now as it's now STI-CKI's

Ms Gooner 1

just wanted to know if this was a garage fault BEFORE I go up there all guns blazin! At the end of the day, the way I see it is if the garage in question did something wrong or incorrect, then I will be wanting for them to foot the bill for the problem to be rectified and if that means them supplying a new clutch and re-fitting it - then thats what I'll be requesting!

Cornelius

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I couldn't agree more, hence not being able to comment properly because I can't remember the facts. Also, give Scooby Clinic or Mat or Olly at Roger Clark Motorsports, they'll be able to tell you their opinions and make your case stronger.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help

cookstar

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Mocom Racing

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Have you actually spoken with the garage in question and asked their opinion?

Phil

What a sensible suggestion

Ms Gooner 1

What kind of a person do you take me for

Of course I have been to the garage and asked their opinion! It is their opinion that the clutch is on its way out! Had it fitted just before tunnel run in October? Only use scoob at weekends so thats one cruise and maybe the HWH meet in between, not even 200 miles would my estimation?

However, I was due to take it to them on Friday - but was unable to get there as I was broke down on the M25 (not in the scoob though). Then yesterday (saturday) I was also unable to get the car there.

I am taking it tomorrow to leave it there whilst it can be diagnosed properly!

Don't get me wrong - I don't post to cause anyone grief - I posted to see if I could fathom the problem with the help of those who know. The clutch has never settled down into the proper position since being done - and I wanted to be sure that it SHOULD have settled down before approaching and looking stu-pid! As it is, something will have to be done I guess!

Mocom Racing

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Interesting that they think it has failed in just 200 miles use, do they have experience with Imprezas?

Ms Gooner 1

LOL - yes they do.
And this was my point originally. I'm quite a fair person and accept that sometimes mistakes are made. However, I was wanting to know I guess if this was one of those times or if something had gone wrong maybe? We provided the clutch, so I know that it was brand new etc, but as soon as it was done it was just SO high. we took it back and had it bled again - but still no difference. Like I say - I was due to take it back but to my own misfortune have been unable to. I'll take it back tomorrow and leave it with them and hopefully it will be rectified.

With regard to what Cornelius was saying above though with regard to his list:

1. Airlock
2. Fluid needs replacing
3. Clutch cylinder seals gone
4. Clutch cylinder not positioned correctly
5. Fluid hose has aged and is ballooning

I wanted to know if any of that list could just be fixed or am I possibly looking at a whole new clutch?

Cornelius

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All on the above list can easily be rectified.

I'm not implying that you're thick or anything like that, but you did buy the right clutch? I apologise if this question causes offence, but it's not intended that way, just ruling out possabilities as it could be another reason why it's gone so quick, and have a high bite point

Ms Gooner 1

LOL - I fecking hope not!!

Bought it from a part warehouse in Rayleigh - errr, euro car parts - something like that. Gave them all the details they needed, so I should hope it is the right clutch - no offence taken though

Hopefully it can be rectified without the need of a new clutch - as I wouldn't be a happy bunny if thats the case

Also, just say for instance is was the wrong clutch - the garage would've known though wouldn't they - seeing as they probably do this type of thing day in day out? I'm no mechanic so i don't actually know if clutches differ in appearance!!!

Cornelius

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If it was the wrong clutch, the garage should of picked it up, was just wondering if the clutch was for the 2.0 sport and not a turbo

Ms Gooner 1

No I specifically recall them asking that question. Also, originally the fault with our car was infact not the clutch itself but the release bearing - but we had the whole thing replaced.

Mocom Racing

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This is one of the reasons I'll not fit products that have not been sourced through us, fitment can be problematic as well as reliability and it does nothing but cause headaches.
Purchasing known products through your tuner ensures compatibility and leaves the customer with only one port of call should they have any concerns.

Jaybird-UK

very good advice. With one source for parts and labour then you also have just one source to blame if things go wrong.

Hope you get it fixed

Phil

Top advice Zak

No offence meant but Penny wise Pound Foolish

Still looks like its not you that is going to be paying for it so thats great news and respect to the supplier as well

Ms Gooner 1

Penny wise - Pound Foolish!

OK - No offence here but I think thats a bit off! What it seems your saying is that because I chose to save myself money - I've bought these problems on myself!

I flat refuse to pay the fee's that people, not just on here but in all aspects of life it seems, charge! And if I can save myself a few quid - then I will. I'm not gonna quibble for the sake of £10 here or £20 there - but when you can possibly save £100 - then I bloody will. My Scoob is not the only passion in my life as a few people on here seem to be like. I have 3 kids and a mortgage and sadly don't have copious amounts of money stashed away for repairs on a car. Without a doubt, when you have a car, no matter what kind - you always have your hand in your pocket, one way or another!

I wont accept responsiblity for this regardless of how I got the clutch. I was asked questions "is it turbo" "whats the year" etc etc and I answered. I even provided the engine number - if someone then takes that information in one ear and out the other then they have caused the problem.

LOL, if I'd have taken the first insurance quote on this car for the sake of "penny wise pound foolish" then I'd be looking at an additional £1400 a year - I wouldn't be paying that and I certainly wont pay through the nose for something I can provide cheaper!

And anyone who does - quite frankly has more money than sense!

WRX_Dazza

i've learned the hard way that scoobies cost "what they cost"

there are reasons that some garages / shops charge more than others in the same way that some builders / decorators cost more than others.

my reasoning is that with my own experience, its much easier for me to give the keys to a specialist garage and say "sort out my clutch for me" knowing full well, i would have a choice of clutches, choice to select a skimmed flywheel or not (and the reasoning behind it), and professional, insured, specialist engineers to carry the work out and guarantee it all.

time is money to me and i think Xtreme Scoobies, as an example, had it all done in 1.5 hours and i was still able to do my work there with wireless broadband (but thats just an example)

I'ts basically what Zak said above, one port of call, no hassles.
expecially with clutches, due to the amount of work involved!!!

also by using specialist garages, they will know at a glance if the clutch is right, there is a washer missing, that spring dont look right, etc.ect.etc....

i hope it gets resolved for you.

Phil

Ms Gooner

Hindsight is wonderful

As I said no offence meant and I do understand where you are coming from as money doesn't grow on trees

Nelly_ra

Hi its Sean from ESB, I'm now managing the workshop and by now I'm sure people are aware of who the mystery garage is.

I'd like to stress on my behalf that the car is being sorted and since speaking with euro-parts they confirm that the wrong clutch was supplied. The issue is the with the clutch plate thickness rather than the diameter, meaning that the clutch would align and fit correctly, but however not work correctly.

As you can see from this the fault lies with the incorrectly supplied clutch from euro-parts and we continue to work with both parties to get this rectified.

Regards
All @ ESB

Tiny

Fair play to you



All will be resolved Trouble

Ms Gooner 1

Tiny, I'm sure without a doubt that it will be resolved. And whilst Hindsight is useless - the only thing I would do different is to of put my reciept for the part in a safe place
I have no quarms with ESB - and until Sean posted earlier - I had no intention of naming them - as originally this post was for advice - not a witch hunt!