when is next report due?

Tried to contact Andy Forrest re same - no reply

Looking for nearest options to 400 lb ft in an 04 STi for sub £2k

Suggestions for suitable 'tuner'

 

Blimey 400Ib ft is a bit of an ask for that money isnt it?

 

possibly....

I am sure i have read some threads including the 'new age' thread at the top which leads you to believe it is on - even if it takes a JDM base - have sold my 03 STi PPP and want to get back in with similar but far more acceleration - have driven 360 / 360 WRC and it just wasnt enough and far too expensive..

 

04 sti, uk or jdm?
with jdm, your a lot closer, equal length headers, twin scroll. uk, then your going to spend the best part of your budget, and then some, on exhaust and headers, + bigger turbo.
No way either way that you'll do it with a sub 2k budget.
TEK 3 £650
EXHAUST £600-900
HEADERS £400?
Thats 2k just for that lot alone, and your looking at around 360lbft with that lot on a jdm.

chris.

 

i have a feeling it could be done for less than £2.5k, and so it should - I (and no doubt countless others) would be interested at a solution under £2k...

 

I was on my way to doing it.......well not quite that figure.

TD05 20G
Ported headers with harvey up pipe
Some form of induction
Full 3" exhaust
Tek 3 remap

All came in for slightly less than 2.5k and Andy was confident that 380/380 could be achieved-possibly a little more running booster.

Tubular headers were another option but was more concerned with driveability rather than peak figures. FMIC was another possibility......

Now sold the turbo as my plans have changed so having to stick with the TSL 333 currently on the car

 

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473826

 

I am hoping to be getting 380-400bhp with my JDM base model following a re-map. Might be dreaming on the 400bhp though

See thread here showing pics of FMIC and CAIK;

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491700

 

How long will the car last if you push it to its limits in the way you're saying?

Sometimes I think people are silly with what they want. Not aimed at you in particular GRIFF007.

I want 400Ib ft torque for more acceleration. Its a 2ltr engine we are talking about here, not a 5ltr V8. You are looking at at least 400bhp to achieve that.

You want the power but dont want to pay the price, £2K is all you want to pay. If it doesnt blow up when you own it I wonder how long after it will?

I think we should leave the 4-5 and 600bhp cars to those who do the big money mods, and compete in a big way on the drag strip etc.

Of course its your money, or not your money as you dont want to pay much in the first place.

All in my humble opinion of course.


Gary

 

it's called pushing the envelope Gary, being innovative etc, if people like above weren't prepared to push the limits (and sometimes blow up their engines!!) we wouldn't have the likes of Powerstation or Andy F etc, it wont be long before a reliable 400bhp and similar torque is both reliable and affordable, but it will only be if people are prepared to put the money into the development

 

sorry mate but this is so laughable
i've had fitted APS sr 40(£1150),tmic(£475),gt spec headers(£695),
CAIK(£175) 3' inch full decat(£750),PE 660cc injectors(£520),
fuel pump upgrade(£100)and tek 3 remap(£6/700 1st time licence)
then add the vat and labour charges ................and get
380bhp/370lbft

so if you can get 400lbft for sub £2k let me know
i'll sell this lot and follow you!!!!

this is not meant to be narky but this is what i've estimated
on what i've spent

 

PERHAPS THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO GO....?

 

Work has now started on Stage 2 - An article will be published as soon as possible.

Regards,
Shaun.

 

It doesn't matter how innovative you are if some of the oem components you're working with can't take that sort of power by design.

And with only £2-2.5K......you will be using alot of oem parts.

 

£2500 is a lot of money when there are plenty of alternatives out there already providing that level of performance (ie alternative cars with similar power std or cheaply modded - I am sure you can make your own list if you think) - tuners will need to find more economic solutions if they are to continue to attract the business of the rally car clone market, which has now lost some innertia. - This will no doubt mean better sourcing, more development, lower margins and greater turnover.

I am naively confident that approaching 400 / 400 is possible at less than £2.5k - and i am sure some of the innovators such as Andy would agree, if only in confidence.

 

400 lbs of torque and equel bhp, for that money, bargain, like to see it though

 

Dale off SMANCS Spec C (MY02 version) pushes out a very nice 396bhp and 415lbs of torque, ported original turbo, APS cold air induction and lots of other bits, you would need to speak to him to find out exactly what hes done to achieve this though

Tony

 

sounds perfect power results - do you have an email - dont recognise SMANCS name?

New Age Project is also likely to achieve similar - it always amazes me how people seem to love to hold out tuning as being unafordably expensive. - Spending much over £2k on a glorified Beetle engine goes against the grain, particularly when you see how much extra power £2k buys on a Chevy V8 and the like!

ps did u mean SMACS?

 

have a look here:-

http://www.scoobysmacs.co.uk/picture...20prosport.htm
http://www.scoobysmacs.co.uk
or speak to CW42 (Chris) as he should be able to get intouch with Dale

Tony

 

Those figures of Dale's certainly look good!

GRIFF007,
The only thing I will say though...... don't be blinded by peak figures. In reality on their own they do not mean a great lot. Find a conversion method that gives power AND driveability - low end grunt and very good in gear driving - (we are talking about a road car here I presume) is paramount. These key areas are what makes a good conversion package.

This is an area that I certainly tried to emphasis with Stage 1, but will go in to much more depth (having a number of ways now of showing this via data logging) in Stage 2.

Regards,
Shaun.

 

There is a bit of a difference starting from a Spec C than starting from an original STi, though. I can't see an 04STi making 415lbft with the original turbo even with a bit of porting

 

Hi Shaun - I very much look forward to your next report - yes i agree drivability comes first- followed by a huge instant slug of durable acceleration in each gear! - I suspect you agree that near 400/400 is available without radical expense - 390 lb ft pound + 370 bhp with broad lag free torque band for less than £2k?

 

From what i can gather 320-350bhp is relatively easy to obtain however another 50-60bhp on top can cost £££££££. I spoke to Dale on Saturday and he told me that it was all the little xtra's that he has put on to obtain his 396bhp figure - it was not just a case of bolting on a turbo with a remap. Also bear in mind that 400bhp starts to put stress on other items - stuff you want to think of upgrading i.e. clutch, gearbox, to have a reliable 400bhp these parts will although not initially need upgrading but at some point will need to be.


Also as other people have said - not just a case of chasing that magical figure, its much better to have a really driveable car with a few horses less that one with a sky high power figure and crap drivebility.

I read somewhere that a few roadtesters have commented on the EVO FQ 400 and they said as point to point the FQ340 was a far better car due to teh high lag nature of the FQ 400

 

i agree - see previous post..

 

My Engine Stage articles are based on cost Vs performance. No point (in my eyes) in sticking an item on that makes relative small gains for high cost, but at the same time, it is not worth sacrificing reliability or driveability for cost either.

It's a tough one, but I like to test before I make any assumptions...... and I will certainly be doing some testing!

Regards,
Shaun.

 

I agree with Gary completely. I do wonder how much good 400bhp/lbs ft is on the road and wheher the trade of in reliability is worth it? I'm sure it'll be great on the drag stip or track, but can you really deploy it in the real world? One of the nice things about the Scooby is that it gives you the thrills whilst minimising the risks of a spill; can the same be said of a car with this power?

I'd be interested in hearing comments from those who do have cars with this level of power and who use them on the road regularly.

Ns04

 

yeah good point id like to hear that too

 

You know i asked this very question to a lad at work who owns a Dax Rush (with a dirty great V8 under the bonnet) do you really need this much power??? he turned to me and replied 'i want to be able to go fast without having to try'

Ah

 

Maybe the 360 / 360 of WRX that I tried wasnt up to steam - but considering they developed it on a highly regarded RR (EVO use it) you would hope so. - I certainly could use more acceleration than that (as could the car).

The main / only reason the Evo 400 was dissapointing was the big turbo and silly amount of lag that wasnt developed out. - For that price couldnt they at leas have fitted 2 small turbos?

I agree - I hope I dont need 400 - it does sound over the top, but say 390 lb ft + 370 bhp might be appropriate?

Dale from SMACS is running well over 400 ft lb on the road in a JDM so it cant be that crazy an idea!

 

I'm not saying it's crazy mate, although I think you may be asking a bit much on the budget you've stipulated (nothing personal and no offence intended).

I've not diven a car that powerful, It's just that for the good roads, sometimes my Humble circa 230bhp (maybe a bit more) MY99 is rapid enough to get me thinking: "I wonder how these big bhp cars keep it on the road" You have to be on your toes to pilot my car around a good set of twisties as it always seems to get to the next corner faster than you think it would.

Of course, you can probably never have too much power on a long, wide, straight stretches of road, which have a habbit of making even a powerful car can seem slower than it is. But those kind of roads aren't really that much fun, nor what the Scooby is really about.

For everyday performance motoring, I think there may be a law of diminishing returns operating. The drag strip and track is another matter of course.

Ns04