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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Have just heard that someone blew his P1 up at 175 mph? Think he'd only just got it. Anyone else hear this?

Loony speed on normal road.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:02 PM
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Glad I wasn't in car with him at that speed.

Must have been modded for sure.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:03 PM
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How does he know it was 175mph? Clock doesn't go above 160 and that's not the most accurate.

Is 175 possible with P1 gearing and wheel size?

If it were 3am with no traffic then don't see a big problem with that speed, other than the bloke's dicing with death if something goes wrong. Still even at 100mph, it's gonna hurt if you lose it.

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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:04 PM
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Imagine that on a radar readout!

They'd lock him up and throw away the key. Hopefully.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by comic cuts
Imagine that on a radar readout!

They'd lock him up and throw away the key. Hopefully.
bit harsh?
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by automodellistagt
bit harsh?
Just thinking about him hitting a family car, or even a bus. At that speed it would be catastrophic.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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which is why you need to look at the road conditions. On a motorway with no traffic, what Bus or family car is he going to hit.

5pm in rush hour is a different story.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:44 PM
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I know someone that blew one up at 160, but that was at Millbrook. Apparently the wing bends like a banana at that speed.

TBH, I can't see how that speed's possible if they were only doing 160 round Millbrook's banked circuit.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:47 PM
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Unless it's GPS verified it don't mean sheeit
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sKunk
Unless it's GPS verified it don't mean sheeit
Think this happened in Inverness. Drumossie?
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by comic cuts
Think this happened in Inverness. Drumossie?
Or maybe with Peter in Neverland.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:53 PM
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I cant see the problem in doing those sorts of speeds in the middle of the night on a clear road at the end of the day the only person you are going to hurt is yourself if you crash!

Cant see a P1 doing 175mph mind!
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt_Turbo_2000
I cant see the problem in doing those sorts of speeds in the middle of the night on a clear road at the end of the day the only person you are going to hurt is yourself if you crash!

Cant see a P1 doing 175mph mind!
Quite expensive to the tax payer mind you, labour and transport and a shovel for picking the bits of body off the fecking road.

Oh, and regarding the 175Mph - like I said, maybe in Neverland with Mr Pan.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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must have been modded to get anywhere near that speed.

Still think it's mad on a public road no matter what time.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh L
I know someone that blew one up at 160, but that was at Millbrook. Apparently the wing bends like a banana at that speed.

TBH, I can't see how that speed's possible if they were only doing 160 round Millbrook's banked circuit.
At 160mph on banked circuit like Millbrook there will be quite a lot of tyre scrub (only what I've read). Any car that can manage that on the bowl will probably go a little faster on a flat road in the same conditions.

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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 05:45 PM
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Very stupid speed to be doing on a public road.....but there's no way that was a standard car, I've pushed mine up to 160 on a runway & she didn't really want to give me any more!!
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by expatback

Still think it's mad on a public road no matter what time.
Do you think it would be mad on a public road if that road was in Germany??
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 06:07 PM
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Took my P1 down RAF Woodbridge runway at a top speed challenge organised by 200sx owners, earlier this year.
It is a fairly standard engine, only mods are itg filter, hks ssq dump valve and scoobyworld afterburner and centre section.
My speedo read over 160, my road angel was reading 145mph and i was actually clocked at 1.1 miles doing 143.6 mph.

I too, feel as though that was about as much as the car was able to give me.

Wouldnt want to be in a car that experienced an engine blow out at that speed though as i have experienced it twice, once in this car and in the RB5 that i had previously!

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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ozzy
which is why you need to look at the road conditions. On a motorway with no traffic, what Bus or family car is he going to hit.

5pm in rush hour is a different story.
What's all this nonsense about...

As most responcible performance car drivers would admit there's a time and a place... in the world we live in whats wrong with this so longs as it affects ono one else... 4am mway or out in the wilds... whats the problem... far too many people taking the wholier than thou approach... and most of these in my experience are the ones who actualy have no idea when driving around!
not looking, no concentrating, driving with kids rattling around in the car unrestrained, and so on...

Time and place!!!!
got that off my chest!
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMikeyBoy
Took my P1 down RAF Woodbridge runway at a top speed challenge organised by 200sx owners, earlier this year.
It is a fairly standard engine, only mods are itg filter, hks ssq dump valve and scoobyworld afterburner and centre section.
My speedo read over 160, my road angel was reading 145mph and i was actually clocked at 1.1 miles doing 143.6 mph.

I too, feel as though that was about as much as the car was able to give me.

Wouldnt want to be in a car that experienced an engine blow out at that speed though as i have experienced it twice, once in this car and in the RB5 that i had previously!

Mike
Same with my Sti. Elvington... speedo reading 148 clocked at the mile at 143 not too far out but it felt PDQ to me...
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMikeyBoy
Took my P1 down RAF Woodbridge runway at a top speed challenge organised by 200sx owners, earlier this year.
It is a fairly standard engine, only mods are itg filter, hks ssq dump valve and scoobyworld afterburner and centre section.
My speedo read over 160, my road angel was reading 145mph and i was actually clocked at 1.1 miles doing 143.6 mph.

I too, feel as though that was about as much as the car was able to give me.

Wouldnt want to be in a car that experienced an engine blow out at that speed though as i have experienced it twice, once in this car and in the RB5 that i had previously!

Mike
ah so you was the P1 that was there.... guess wot i was in....... 157mph down the runway after struggling for traction
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 07:52 PM
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Yep, remember you " looking " for traction!

I seemed to get slightly better times on the qtr mile when the conditions were damp. I only did the top speed the once, thought i better not push the engine much more than i had already done!

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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dazza's-STi
... in the world we live in whats wrong with this so longs as it affects ono one else... 4am mway or out in the wilds... whats the problem... far too many people taking the wholier than thou approach... and most of these in my experience are the ones who actualy have no idea when driving around!
not looking, no concentrating, driving with kids rattling around in the car unrestrained, and so on...

Time and place!!!!
got that off my chest!
So speaks Mr. Invincible.

Sorry & trying not to be "holier than thou" but there is no such thing as a "time & place".At least not in a uncontrolled environment.A motorway is only empty until the next vehicle joins it.

Not being a mathematician but even at this lowly speed :-

120 mph = 1 mile in 30 secs.

or = 1/2 mile in 15 secs.

or = 1/4 mile in 7.5 secs.

Scenario you are faced with coming down a slip road near you :-

1. Drunk coming home from all night party.
2. Upset spouse after domestic going for a drive to cool off.
3. Another "non holier than though" scooby-beemer-evo-whatever driver wanting to join deserted M-way for a play.
4. Lorry driver trying to get home before he runs out of tacho hours who is feeling a bit sleepy.
5. Emergency vehicle.Nuff said.

or

6. Large lump of wood/metal/tyre shreds sitting in the road. (I lost a good friend to this several years ago & he was responsible & only took calculated risks)

None of the above that rare an occurence,certainly none of them predictable.

You have 7.5 seconds to react (& apply your brakes & scrub off speed to match that of the hazard) provided you have seen it at a 1/4 mile out.

If the slip road is set back & only visible to your immediate side view then you have considerably less than 7.5 secs to react (& apply your brakes & scrub off speed to match that of the hazard).

Assume their joining speed is 70 you can either take evasive action or try to scrub off speed.Or do as most responsible performance car drivers would do given that there's a time and a place... shut your eyes & hope you get a pretty nurse in ICU.

"It won't happen to me."

Till it does.

Mark (must check when the carol service is this year)

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 12:04 AM
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In case you all didn't know, due to the aerodynamics of the classic, I recall that air to the intercooler is deflected after 130 ish mph, meaning severe det will occur quite rapidly... The IC hits a brick wall and air just passes over it. They aren't designed o do that speed, nor is a P1 geared to do 175.

Notice the newer cars have a much bigger IC scoop?

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 12:23 AM
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Mark,

Life's full of what-if's. If you worried about everything, you'd never get behind the wheel. Are you trying to tell us that you NEVER speed?

There's an 8-mile stretch of motorway between two junctions about 10 mins from me. I've driven home at night and not passed a single vehicle. Other than hitting a piece of debris (which in 10yrs of driving I've yet to do) are you trying to tell me that I was in extreme danger to the other non-existent motorists if I had driven above 100mph??

I've jumped out planes and never thought about a) the parachute not opening b) hitting something on the way down or c) the plane crashing. All are feasibile and it's extremely risky, but even after several jumps I'm still around to type this.

**** happens and some things are inherently dangerous (i.e. driving). What you do need to do is use your head and minimise the risks.

Don't know about you, but my reaction time is a bit less than 7.5 secs

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tuscan57
ah so you was the P1 that was there.... guess wot i was in....... 157mph down the runway after struggling for traction

Ahhhh, that was the day the car was actually running
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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Good points Ozzy

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Old Dec 4, 2004 | 02:54 PM
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Er, and as for cost to the taxpayer, perhaps you'd like to complain about people who have to be rescued after falling off/getting stranded on mountains, or having to abort attempts at crossing the atlantic in the kitchen sink etc. Some of you preachers need to get some perspective.....3 a.m, on your own, looked after car, nobody to hurt but yourself. I reckon I've paid enough into the system to cover the cost of whatever's left of me being scraped up and shovelled away. Anything above 120 mph for even very short distances is an extremely rare occurrence imo, and if you're not comfortable doing it, don't. If you are and you do on the other hand, don't moan if/when you get caught or it goes **** up.
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Originally Posted by expatback
Have just heard that someone blew his P1 up at 175 mph? Think he'd only just got it. Anyone else hear this?

Loony speed on normal road.
Hello mate where did you hear about this? The lad in question is from up my neck of the woods. He has come from a 1.6 mkv astra to a p1 which is a mistake in itself, I mean you cant just go from a fwd n/a car too a p1 and expect to know how to drive it, still - feel sorry for the boy - will be an expensive bill if done right.

Cheers.
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Originally Posted by ozzy
Mark,

Life's full of what-if's. If you worried about everything, you'd never get behind the wheel. Are you trying to tell us that you NEVER speed?
NEVER said I NEVER speed


Originally Posted by ozzy
There's an 8-mile stretch of motorway between two junctions about 10 mins from me. I've driven home at night and not passed a single vehicle. Other than hitting a piece of debris (which in 10yrs of driving I've yet to do) are you trying to tell me that I was in extreme danger to the other non-existent motorists if I had driven above 100mph???
Your eyesight must be v good if you can see 8 miles is clear ahead.What are the statistics of your increased chance of getting a blow out at a ton plus?


Originally Posted by ozzy
I've jumped out planes and never thought about a) the parachute not opening b) hitting something on the way down or c) the plane crashing. All are feasibile and it's extremely risky, but even after several jumps I'm still around to type this.
Yes and the only one at risk when you do this is you & then it is a calculated risk with a safe drop zone & weather reports & a flight plan etc etc.Not quite the same if you jumped out on the spur of the moment over a town.


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**** happens and some things are inherently dangerous (i.e. driving). What you do need to do is use your head and minimise the risks.
Er I thought thats what I was suggesting.


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Don't know about you, but my reaction time is a bit less than 7.5 secs

Stefan
Oh dear I have had to edit my post as I thought people would realise that you have to brake as part of your reaction to a hazard without being reminded to.

7.5 secs is not your reaction time.

7.5 secs is your reaction time combined with your retardation time.Unless you stop dead in your tracks by thought alone.

Mark. (Carol service is candlelit & at 9.00pm)
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