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Old 28 March 2014, 09:55 PM
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Can you confirm fat and carbs? Typo?
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Old 28 March 2014, 10:24 PM
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Lol, oh yeah, 5.5g of carbs. Sorry.
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Old 28 March 2014, 10:31 PM
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Old 28 March 2014, 11:06 PM
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20g of fat?!?!

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Old 29 March 2014, 01:05 AM
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Surprise as in too much or too little?

There's fat in the cheese - even though it's 50% less than normal - and fat in the two egg yolks (about 5-6g each). You could probably get away with less cheese, 25g, maybe even 20g depending on your tastes. The 35g is 100 calories which I'm at a peace with

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Old 29 March 2014, 01:56 AM
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Suprised at so much.

I don't take too much notice of fat quantities really, I count calories though so I know roughly what's high in fat because I avoid it to lessen the calories.
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Old 29 March 2014, 10:32 AM
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Picture attached, every aspect of this was weighed on a digital scale and logged on MyFitnessPal. Total calories 400: 46g of protein, 20g of fat and 5.5g of carbs
I just rant it through http://caloriecount.about.com/cc/recipe_analysis.php

Not knowing the quantity of 'To taste' ingredients makes it hard to get an exact match, but it gave me 10g of fat in total.
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Old 29 March 2014, 10:43 AM
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There is hardly anything (calorie wise) in salsa, mushrooms and spinach. So 10-20g here or there will make little to no difference. I'm not trying to Jamie Oliver here

I logged 2x tesco value whole eggs with 12.4g of fat in total. They are pretty big eggs, I used the barcode scanner to pull them up so I can only put my trust in the fact they have been entered correctly into the database.

I then logged the cheese as discussed earlier and that is 4.9g, which aligns with the packaging.

Finally, I put in 20 sprays of olive oil (I probably used less) and that added 2 grams.

40g of salsa has just 22 calories and 0.2g of fat.

I can't be bothered to check if this is the exact eggs we have, but it looks like the 12g for two whole eggs is pretty accurate - Link
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Old 29 March 2014, 12:01 PM
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I had a small bowl of porridge for brekky and surfed like a legend for two hours ;-)
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Old 29 March 2014, 12:53 PM
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Homemade waffles and maple syrup - then a family 3 mile run
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Old 29 March 2014, 03:18 PM
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A couple of boiled eggs and a slice of whole wheat toast. Can't be arsed calorie counting or the rigmarole of meal planning. I go by the mirror, scales and above all how I feel. Your body shape and health is partly governed by genetic predisposition. Obviously diet and exercise are important but don't over complicate a generally simple principle. I'd also suggest routine health screening and blood tests as important as diet and exercise.
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Old 29 March 2014, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz View Post
A couple of boiled eggs and a slice of whole wheat toast. Can't be arsed calorie counting or the rigmarole of meal planning. I go by the mirror, scales and above all how I feel. Your body shape and health is partly governed by genetic predisposition. Obviously diet and exercise are important but don't over complicate a generally simple principle. I'd also suggest routine health screening and blood tests as important as diet and exercise.
How often do you suggest the routine health screening and blood tests, Maz? Most from regular population hardly ever go for health screening unless asked for specific checks e.g. Smear test for women, Prostate check for men etc. I can't see NHS doing routine blood tests and health screening just to ensure you're ok, unless there's a fault in your body, or an ongoing issue that requires it. I don't think you can go to your doc and say- "Although I feel alright, but just check me anyway, because I need to ensure I'm physically fit internally as well". I think he'll tell you to p4ss off tbh.

I think you'll have to spend money privately for your own routine health screening and blood tests, which adds another financial burden and a fuss.

I may be wrong.

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Old 29 March 2014, 04:22 PM
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Checking blood pressure is worthwhile, as is telling smokers to stop, and there are screening programmes for cervix, breast and colon cancer, and aortic aneurysm screening.

Prostate screening is not evidence based, neither are well meaning blood tests or imaging in those without symptoms. Private companies try to palm off their incidental findings on their pointless tests for the NHS to handle.
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Old 29 March 2014, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks View Post
Checking blood pressure is worthwhile, as is telling smokers to stop, and there are screening programmes for cervix, breast and colon cancer, and aortic aneurysm screening.

Prostate screening is not evidence based, neither are well meaning blood tests or imaging in those without symptoms. Private companies try to palm off their incidental findings on their pointless tests for the NHS to handle.
These checks take place IF you end up at your doc with a prob or two, or if you're under regular monitoring for a valid reason. People don't receive a letter from their GP surgery to just make an appointment to get their blood pressure, blood and urine tested for the sake if it.

Dentists, on the other hand, would love to check your teeth every six months. They send you a letter. Optician wants to see you annually. I understand why.
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Old 29 March 2014, 04:47 PM
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No, there are recall systems for the established screening programmes run centrally. We actively seek out people over 40 for BP checks every 5 years and are incentivised to do so. We also seek smoking status even on people that never attend unless someone was known to be a non smoker after 20 after which they are unlikely to start, and ex smokers are not assumed to have finally stopped unless they have stopped for at least 3 years. There are no blood test screening programmes I can think of, but we focus testing on those we know are at risk. We get many worried well wanting pointless tests, and many who are at high risk not attending for evidence based screening.

Thankfully, there is no present discrepancy between incentives and evidence, whereas there is for dentists, opticians, vets and GPs working in many other systems.

Medical education is another source of bias due to pharma, I get lots of educational activities via email that are thinly disguised promotions of drugs. The information is clearly not impartial.

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Old 29 March 2014, 04:47 PM
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I woke up late this morning, got to work about 10:30am, no brekkie but a cuppa tea. Then a cuppa tea over work. Then I started to feel a bit tired. At 2:30, I ate this readymade stuff>



The aftermath of the gluttony>



I think this lunch wasn't very healthy (that bacon and stuffing roll was the crime of the century), but no too unhealthy either.

I have gradually consumed the grapes by now. On my second glass of pineapple juice as well as I type. Too much sugar consumption. No wonder my dentist wants to check my teeth every six months.
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Old 29 March 2014, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks View Post
No, there are recall systems for the established screening programmes run centrally. We actively seek out people over 40 for BP checks every 5 years and are incentivised to do so. We also seek smoking status even on people that never attend unless someone was known to be a non smoker after 20 after which they are unlikely to start, and ex smokers are not assumed to have finally stopped unless they have stopped for at least 3 years. There are no blood test screening programmes I can think of, but we focus testing on those we know are at risk. We get many worried well wanting pointless tests, and many who are at high risk not attending for evidence based screening.

Thankfully, there is no present discrepancy between incentives and evidence, whereas there is for dentists, opticians, vets and GPs working in many other systems.
All sounds reasonable to me.

I can't see any point in unnecessary health screening and blood tests.

But there must be some figures in relation with the problems going undiagnosed due to no routine screening for all, and such problems then turn out to be life-threatening. Such figures must have contributed massively towards fetching a bread loaf for privately run human body MOT companies.
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Old 29 March 2014, 06:02 PM
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I had banana on white toast for breakkie. I don't usually bother with lunch and didn't today.

Screening would cost too much.

I have a good chance of having vitamin/mineral/electrolyte deficiencies and I didn't have bloods done for 7years, until I requested it for something unrelated and then they realised I have almost no iron stores in my body.
And she was happy not to see me for 4mths!
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Old 29 March 2014, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks View Post
Checking blood pressure is worthwhile, as is telling smokers to stop, and there are screening programmes for cervix, breast and colon cancer, and aortic aneurysm screening.

Prostate screening is not evidence based, neither are well meaning blood tests or imaging in those without symptoms. Private companies try to palm off their incidental findings on their pointless tests for the NHS to handle.
A mate of mine who appears pretty fit (we are a similar level when cycling) was checked recently and has really high blood pressure - oops!
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Old 29 March 2014, 06:41 PM
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But there must be some figures in relation with the problems going undiagnosed due to no routine screening for all, and such problems then turn out to be life-threatening. Such figures must have contributed massively towards fetching a bread loaf for privately run human body MOT companies.
What seems sensible often isn't when analysed, which is why we try to rely on trials and evidence when possible. For example, you would imagine that for cancer screening that you could take people that smoke and do a chest xray regularly to try to spot lung cancers early. Turns out it doesn't work... so people try scanning... turns out that doesn't work either. Tumours are missed, they develop in between screening, or finding them early is still too late.

Wilson's screening criteria are worth considering, and against these many screening programmes are junk:
1.The condition should be an important health problem.
2.There should be a treatment for the condition.
3.Facilities for diagnosis and treatment should be available.
4.There should be a latent stage of the disease.
5.There should be a test or examination for the condition.
6.The test should be acceptable to the population.
7.The natural history of the disease should be adequately understood.
8.There should be an agreed policy on whom to treat.
9.The total cost of finding a case should be economically balanced in relation to medical expenditure as a whole.
10.Case-finding should be a continuous process, not just a "once and for all" project.
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Old 29 March 2014, 08:18 PM
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What seems sensible often isn't when analysed, which is why we try to rely on trials and evidence when possible. For example, you would imagine that for cancer screening that you could take people that smoke and do a chest xray regularly to try to spot lung cancers early. Turns out it doesn't work... so people try scanning... turns out that doesn't work either. Tumours are missed, they develop in between screening, or finding them early is still too late.
Yes, there are limitations of screening.

Wilson's screening criteria are worth considering, and against these many screening programmes are junk:
1.The condition should be an important health problem.
2.There should be a treatment for the condition.
3.Facilities for diagnosis and treatment should be available.
4.There should be a latent stage of the disease.
5.There should be a test or examination for the condition.
6.The test should be acceptable to the population.
7.The natural history of the disease should be adequately understood.
8.There should be an agreed policy on whom to treat.
9.The total cost of finding a case should be economically balanced in relation to medical expenditure as a whole.
10.Case-finding should be a continuous process, not just a "once and for all" project.

Again, this shows that screening isn't done *****-nilly, and there has to be good enough reasons for it.
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Old 29 March 2014, 11:45 PM
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Any online sources of nut sacks?

Looking for a nut sack that isn't salty... and still has shells where appropriate.

Pistachios and cashews. Don't want to have to toast the sack of nuts though. Would like nut sack ready to eat.
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Old 30 March 2014, 12:07 AM
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Google salty nut sacks and let us know how you get on
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Lmao, I was thinking the same thing!!
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Old 30 March 2014, 09:42 AM
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Nice to see some of you aren't scared of some fat, it's trans fat or scorched fat you have to watch.

I have a bulletproof coffee every morning and i love it.

As for pics to perv on, i'm no oil painting but here's me at 218lb.
Still no idea if i wish to compete. Been at it for close to four years.




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Old 30 March 2014, 10:25 AM
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Nice to see some of you aren't scared of some fat, it's trans fat or scorched fat you have to watch.

I have a bulletproof coffee every morning and i love it.

As for pics to perv on, i'm no oil painting but here's me at 218lb.
Still no idea if i wish to compete. Been at it for close to four years.



How are you Hux? Still MTBing? Still got the Scooby?
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How are you Hux? Still MTBing? Still got the Scooby?
Good thanks, bar father passing away five months ago, and nearly taking my head off by driving my 106 into the back of a lorry im actually pretty good.

Scooby was sold last week for a few hundred, badly needed rid of it, as for mtb'ing it's on hiatus.
Was in the middle of upgrading to 10sp but my wheels decided enough, i could buy some industry nine wheels, or american classic i dunno.
Plus my rebas could use replacing, and they make the bike a bit front heavy, i could do with a lighter pair.

Then there's the rear mech as well, other than that she's good to go.

I'm surprised i didn't see you at the red bull storm chasers, still got the little jimny?
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Good thanks, bar father passing away five months ago, and nearly taking my head off by driving my 106 into the back of a lorry im actually pretty good.

Scooby was sold last week for a few hundred, badly needed rid of it, as for mtb'ing it's on hiatus.
Was in the middle of upgrading to 10sp but my wheels decided enough, i could buy some industry nine wheels, or american classic i dunno.
Plus my rebas could use replacing, and they make the bike a bit front heavy, i could do with a lighter pair.

Then there's the rear mech as well, other than that she's good to go.

I'm surprised i didn't see you at the red bull storm chasers, still got the little jimny?
My bike got rather blingy since I last saw you; all X0, XTR, Hope, etc!
The Jimny was replaced by a 110 Defender which broke done constantly (it was only three years old!) so that got chopped in for a new (two years ago) VW California 180 4motion; factory built camper. It's cr4p on fuel but otherwise great! The 335d was replaced in January but the car in my avatar; lots of fun!

Now living in Polzeath. Sorry to hear about your loss.
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Old 30 March 2014, 08:22 PM
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Good evidence there, Hux.

There was another gentleman whose headless pic hung about up there before, but now it has gone. Just whoever you are, very good effort and a great shape to yourself there.

No one is perving here. Why would one, anyway??? It's just that when you support your special intakes and specific exercises and routines with your pictures to show for, it makes your efforts look more believable and encouraging.

Well done to both you and the lean and physically fit gentleman who posted his pic after you.
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Any online sources of nut sacks?

Looking for a nut sack that isn't salty... and still has shells where appropriate.

Pistachios and cashews. Don't want to have to toast the sack of nuts though. Would like nut sack ready to eat.
LOL hope you've been successful with your query by now , but on a serious note, I wouldn't buy nuts on line. Even in the superstores and health food shops they sometimes sell the rotten ones- you have to be so careful.

I get my almonds and pistachios from Tesco. Cashews are only occasional, as they taste to be so damn full of nothing but fat. Roasted monkey nuts in shells from Aldi are brilliant as well. Back in India they're roasted in their shells in huge pan full of hot sand. Yum, yum!!

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