From what I have read about the case the video showed several marines stood around talking after the attack and then after a few minutes he shot the guy.

What sealed his fate was the defence said they were still in danger yet the video clearly indicated they didn't feel they were.

Wthout the video I doubt he would have been convicted. Whether this is right or wrong is up to people to judge for themselves.

The saddest thing of course is that we shouldn't even be there anyway. This was a conflict the Americans started and Blair and then Cameron decided we should be part of. There is no end goal, no way of 'winning' as such. As the British commander said last year the best we can hope for is we leave the country no worse than it was before we arrived. Has it really been worth all those deaths of British servicemen. I don't think it has!

 

"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

 

 

So what you're saying is if a foreign army invaded your country and you were severely injured whilst fighting back you'd deserve having your throat bitten out, eyes gouged out before being shot rather than be given first aid and taken prisoner?

 

And we wonder why everyone east of Istanbul hates the UK and USA.....

 

Sorry F1.

I'd wait, let the ****** think it's all good, then video the ****, put it on Utube so all his ******* rag head mates can see, then point my gun at the **** and pull the trigger.

Quite a good ploy if you ask me, sacrificial lamb to let the enemy know what they'll get come the time.

Do unto others as they have done unto you.

 

He admitted it.

On tape.

Several times.

If we allow our troops to carry out these types of killings, then you are nothing but a hypocrite to then complain if it happens to our own troops. Lee Rigby's murderers innocent as well? They considered themselves soldiers for their cause, and Rigby was an enemy combatant.

Both cases are murder, and both should have life sentences.

My father and grandfather both served, both think the conviction was correct, as obviously did his peers as a military court convicted him.

If you genuinely think that this guy should have got off, then the extremists have won the war, as they have dragged us down to their level, and made us as savage as them.

 

You have just made the recruitment officer for Al Qaeda, the Taliban and every other extremist group very, very, very happy.

 

I assure you that soldiers from our country attacking another country does not make me feel any safer.

I am more at risk of being stabbed to death over my phone from our indeginious population than I am from any apparent terrorist who has never even attacked our country in the first place!

 

Well anybody who puts themselves in that position must be prepared to die and those raghead nut cases will think of some sick way to finish you off so **** them, as for taking them prisoner, oh yeah thats a good idea, use more resources and money on a worthless piece of **** like that.....i dont ****ing think so.... they are nuts mate they need putting down

 

I have had a think about this and read the info on the case and the more I think about it, the more I am starting to agree with the sentence he got and some of the posts in here. On first thoughts I think that most of the public are immediately not going to agree, but once you actually consider the facts and what has gone on, then you may change your mind. I don't wish the murder of any human being, especially not in cold blood. I have to agree with Scarey about not letting our Country drag down to their level.

 

That's an extremely good post IMO

 

Well said

Sadly on here, you will just be seen as a lefty do-gooder.

 

Good post, fella.

 

Agreed.

 

As the man was already gut shot full of holes from 30mm high velocity cannon shells, I think the whole thing is arbitrary anyway. War is full of stories of people being shot to end their misery and no comment.
If the guy was spotted 30 feet away they would have plugged him and no one would have said a word, apart from "good shot Soldier".
You can't go around arming people with the intention of killing, then expect them to turn their emotions on and off like a tap. Perhaps some of these paragons of virtue who expect chivalry on the battlefield would like to have a go themselves and report back how they get on.
We need killers to do our dirty work, not bleeding hearts, and they deserve to be backed up by all of us who don't want to go there.

You should read this and understand it, it's by Rudyard Kipling.

Tommy..
I WENT into a public 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, " We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, wait outside ";
But it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

 

As has already been said as we signed the Geneva convention our troops have certain responsibilities and rules to stick to. Correct me if I am wrong but Afghanistan and Iraq haven't signed the GC so do not have to stick to these rules.
This means we are fighting an unfair war against an enemy who can and have stooped to levels beyond law and morals.
Having listened to the recording what stood out to me was the "Who wants to give this **** first aid". Am I right in thinking that troops are expected to patch them up if they wound one? Is it likely that soldier would then go home and think twice about his actions or instead go back, back up another AK and perhaps wound or kill one of our boys?. I dread to think what would happen if Taliban wounded and surrounded one of our soldiers.

Being in the spotlight gave the judge no option really, and I'm sure its not the sentence he would have liked to have passed down.

 

You're wrong.

 

Well in that case, I can only conclude that you are no better than "those raghead nut cases."

 

My interpretation is that you're both wrong.
We are not at war with any country in the old fashioned sense. It just feels like it when somebody wants to blow your head off. It's time for a new convention regarding tactics such as disparate armed groups hiding in plain view, then shooting you in the back.

 

Sorry I didn't realise that you are a serving member of the Military in Afgan and therefore can speak from experience and know everything.

And there you go with the PC bullcrap again

 

No, He said Afghanisatan and Iraq aren't signed up to the GCs, they are. The problem is we are not fighting Afghanisatan as such.... that however wasn't what he said and it was what he said that I was responding to.

 

I made my point perfectly clearly, as usual you have chosen to ignore that so you can mouth off. My view seems to be shared by several others on here so maybe you can see your way to winding your neck in for once

If you feel so strongly why not enlist and go and shoot some 'ragheads'

 

Or in future we should just carpet bomb any country who harbours terrorists but doesn't single them out.
We're the bad guy anyway, may as well do it in style and save the lives of our troops.
I'm sure F1_Fan will disagree, he may want his tree branches taken back by some Afghan immigrant in years to come at a cut price because they don't pay tax.

 

Oh the irony, I've just been accused of mouthing off by F1

 

No I would disagree because it's a fundamentally utterly stupid thing to say.

By your logic we should have carpet bombed NI in the 70s!

 

Well in that case you must be in the military and serving in Afghanistan yourself then as according to you that is why I don't know what I'm talking about and you do. But you're not are you, you work in training or some such bollocks so STFU as you're embarrassing yourself again!

 

+1.

 

Do you seriously think they'll welcome you with open arm in Australia?

 

WTF has that question got to do with this thread?