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http://road.cc/content/news/90565-po...yclists-bolton

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-23058878

Not just the motorists then

trails

iTrader: (41)

erm, your point is...?

Oh yeah, they are all c**ts...well proven

jonc

There have been numerous occasions when I have been out walking with friends or family along a canal toe path or a narrow bridal way side by side chatting as you do for cyclists to zoom up behind ringing their bells and shouting and expecting us to move out of the way for them. Well I have every right to walk two abreast, you'd think cyclists would be able to empathise!

f1_fan

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trails

iTrader: (41)

Bells...pffftttt, I'd have just gone for a high speed suprise appearance to make you jump

wrx300scooby

Toe path!!!!


Sorry, couldn't resist, it made me laugh.

jonc

Yes, a typo, I meant camel, not canal.

davyboy

Just for clarification when I say delayed by 30 seconds I mean getting to your end point. You may well be held up for a min, but still be doing 20mph instead of the 40mph you may have been doing.

Best for everyone to ride 2 abreast in this situation.

'Group' is half as long and can be passed quicker. A car attempting a pass whilrst all stung out could get very interesting.

I've actually cycled 2 abreast on an empty dual carraige way and took abuse. Even though one of us was in the hard shoulder and the other lane was completely empty!

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Did a ghost abuse you "on the empty dual carriageway"?

Sorry I'll get my coat

jonc

What did you expect and why would you want to expose yourself to such a risk? Vehicles travel in excess of 70mph on a DC and that would create one heck of a draught when passing. Sure the DC was empty but, regardless of fault, it would only take a few vehicles to come along and a careless or inconsiderate driver to turn your pleasant ride into a real bad day for you and your friend. If there is a hard shoulder why don't you use it, surely that is safer and less chance of an incident for you rather than put your safety in the hands of drivers in fast moving vehicles who have varying degrees of ability not to hit you. As a cyclist you're harder to spot and for a vehicle travelling 70+mph will have less time to react.

wrx300scooby

that is brill

davyboy

People pass at similar speeds on country roads so no problems with dual carriage ways. Although never ny first choice. Was dying on my *** after 80miles and took fastest route home.

I've also done time trials on dual carriage way. No probs.

Still don't expect abuse. Odd that you think I should expect it.

tony de wonderful

It's perfectly legal to cycle on a dual carriageway.

tony de wonderful

Cyclists shouldn't ride in the gutter. In my experience doing this - especially on lanes - is an invitation to have someone blow past you leaving just an inch or two or just ignore you. It's safer to ride about a metre from the curb at least.

jonc

Yes it is, so is driving a mobility scooter on a DC but you wouldn't advise anyone to do so.

davyboy

Dual carriage way arguably safer. Far more room. No oncoming.

That said, not my first choice.

davyboy

Dual carriage way not a full hard shoulder by the way.

Next time I will expect the abuse.

Thanks for the tip off.

jonc

At least expect it if you ride 2 abreast on a NSL road, the speed differential between a cyclist and a motorised vehicle on those roads is huge you may as well be stationary and yet you choose to be in the direct path of vehicles. For me, common sense tells me it's safer for yourself and the motorist if you were not in the direct path of the vehicle, ie on the shoulder like your friend, even it you have every right to ride on a DC, that's all.

mrmadcap

You are a very trusting person, or you have no sense of danger or self preservation or you are just taking a gamble that an idiot will not simply just drive over the top of you.

But if the unthinkable does happen at least you've made your point.

davyboy

An idiot might drive over the top, but it might stop even more idiots trying to squeeze past with oncoming traffic leaving the cyclist with very little room.

toneh

iTrader: (1)

Cyclists in general get on my t1ts , from my house to my place of work is 10 mile , for the whole 10 mile there are designated cycle lanes and paths complete with junctions crossings ect
But obviously they are no good to the vast majority who for some strange reason like to weave through the traffic , there was one the other morning that decided the best route was in the middle if a dual carriageway so he could go straight round the island with the traffic
What a ****
The worse ones are the Lycra clad bradley wiggins wannabes , they're probably going to work for ***** sake and if they're not why choose a route that is full of traffic , and if the cycle paths that the council have spend thousands putting in place are not suitable for their carbon framed speed machine , then get a bike that is
You wouldn't choose an f1 car to go to work in

hodgy0_2

and this is an argument for reducing the national speed limit to 40 mph

Suresh

Most city cyclists are total bell-ends with no sense of self preservation. And these are just the one in Holland who cycle through red with no lights whilst 'What'sApping' and listening to music in their headphones..

andy97

iTrader: (1)

I've just comeback after my Sunday cycle (50 miler btw)

I was cycling on a country A road and most drivers gave me reasonable room when overtaking, but there must of been 20 cars that gave me hardly any room, eventually I had enough of being nearly clipped. So I rode virtually in the middle of the road to command position. It had the desired affect with people slowing down to wait for a space to overtake. I am used to commanding road position on my motorcycle, but I shouldn't have to do this so aggressively to ensure my safety due to a rather largish minority who are not prepared to slow down and wait for a safer place to pass me.

mrmadcap

You must be suicidal.

Turbohot

I live in the in the heaven of the village lanes and twisties i.e. in North Wales. My automatic thought is that there should be no one on the road but I should solely own it. It is an unfair thought, so I shrug it way and adjust with other road users. Anyway, I haven't got one complaint against the cyclists and horse riders that I encounter on daily basis, but my problem is with tractors, manure dumpers and random cattle on the roads here. Today, cyclists in colourful lycra on the way up the hill weren't a problem to take over. But two sheep pissed me right off for their sudden appearance in the middle of the road. I had to brake my VW like hell to save their woolly bodies from harm. Stupid sheep. They own the North Wales road whereas I just wish to. Tractors and poo dumpers are not as bad, but bad enough to moan about.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

It was far from ideal but necessity dictated I had to be more proactive to ensure my safety. Car/truck/motorcycles drivers slow down and give a wide berth for horses and slow moving tractors and have to wait for a space to pass. The same should be afforded to cyclists, who shouldn't fear riding on the road. I generally take to the paths and cycle ways when available. Sadly these are few in number and distance.

nik52wrx

Cycle paths adjacent to footpaths are a nightmare due to dicks with dogs on those extendable leads not to mention people that walk along cycle paths
Hence I rarely use them.
Nik.

andy97

iTrader: (1)

Footpaths cycleways where walkers share the space with cyclists it is the other way round where cyclists have to take greater care. When I cycle round Rutland water I share the paths with walkers, dogs, sheep. I ring my bell to make walkers aware of my presence, if they make way I go through and thank them. If they don't hear me I slow down until I can get round. Once a person gets in a steel box their mentality changes. I must confess I have had times where I have behaved poorly to other road users.

Having started riding a motorcycle a few years back and cycling regularly in the last year I have become very tolerant and considerate to other road users, especially those who don't drive cars.

It would really give everybody a new or lost empathy for cyclists if they had to ride a bike for a few days around where they live.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Well next time use the car FFS. Oh and quit your goddamn whining. Cheers