Notices
ScoobyNet General General Subaru Discussion

who's the best impreza engine mapper?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 15 November 2013 | 04:26 PM
  #61  
domino46's Avatar
domino46
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 3,179
Likes: 264
From: www.bbscoobys.com
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
An observation when it comes to mapper recommendations.

You'll see plenty of examples on the forums of chaps bigging up their mapper like this..

"He's a really nice bloke!" or "He's a really really nice bloke!" or even, "He's a lovely lovely guy and I'd like to bear his child!!" Well, of course he is, he's sat in your car poking away at his laptop and about to relieve you of £100's. He's going to be utterly charming, and agreeing with everything you say isn't he?
Personally, I'd rather a grumpy old Bast--d who knew what he was doing, than a "Sweet young man" who knows F-all....

Luckily enough, I don't do the mapping, as I'm a damn sight grumpier than Martyn, who is neither young, nor sweet..
So if a well known and respected name was mapping your car for free does that mean he is looking after you or after something
Old 15 November 2013 | 04:39 PM
  #62  
BrownPantsRacing's Avatar
BrownPantsRacing
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 8,701
Likes: 128
From: Herts & Bucks
Default

Hi Jim, did you by any chance recently move from Rugby?

As others have said you'll be lucky to get more than 350bhp on your current turbo. This has been proved time and time again. Some well respected mappers have already replied to your question.

Also a very valid point someone made is the other upgrades you will need. I have spent the same again upgrading other bits like brakes and suspension to cope with the uprated 334bhp power I now have. In hinesight I should have started with an STI. Would have been MUCH MUCH cheaper in the long run.

Also, no chance your frozen box will hold 400bhp for long i'd say with confidence!

Anyhow, good luck to you.

Last edited by BrownPantsRacing; 15 November 2013 at 04:41 PM.
Old 15 November 2013 | 05:38 PM
  #63  
addi monster's Avatar
addi monster
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,509
Likes: 0
From: north of the south border
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
An observation when it comes to mapper recommendations.

You'll see plenty of examples on the forums of chaps bigging up their mapper like this..

"He's a really nice bloke!" or "He's a really really nice bloke!" or even, "He's a lovely lovely guy and I'd like to bear his child!!" Well, of course he is, he's sat in your car poking away at his laptop and about to relieve you of £100's. He's going to be utterly charming, and agreeing with everything you say isn't he?
Personally, I'd rather a grumpy old Bast--d who knew what he was doing, than a "Sweet young man" who knows F-all....

Luckily enough, I don't do the mapping, as I'm a damn sight grumpier than Martyn, who is neither young, nor sweet..
So what you are generally saying here is all the polite young mappers have not got a clue what they are doing ?

Come on pal, have a look at yourself here
Old 15 November 2013 | 07:42 PM
  #64  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by domino46

So if a well known and respected name was mapping your car for free does that mean he is looking after you or after something
For free?? Any offers
Old 15 November 2013 | 08:24 PM
  #65  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by BrownPantsRacing
Hi Jim, did you by any chance recently move from Rugby?

As others have said you'll be lucky to get more than 350bhp on your current turbo. This has been proved time and time again. Some well respected mappers have already replied to your question.

Also a very valid point someone made is the other upgrades you will need. I have spent the same again upgrading other bits like brakes and suspension to cope with the uprated 334bhp power I now have. In hinesight I should have started with an STI. Would have been MUCH MUCH cheaper in the long run.

Also, no chance your frozen box will hold 400bhp for long i'd say with confidence!

Anyhow, good luck to you.
Hello mate,no I've always lived this area,I did buy car from yorkshire area I don't know if thats near rugby. I'm running about 320bhp at the moment and already need better brakes (im already researching at the moment which brakes to get) it has tein suspension fitted,uprated engine & gearbox mounts. My engine has semi closed block,forged teflon pistons,rods from a new age special edition sti (they are tapered on the small end and the overall construction is meatier than standard) all valves re seated re shimed, crank ground & drilled,race bearings,arp bolts,rogerclarke oil pump,totally stripped down and rebuilt with the best subaru bits engine builder could find. And if he's gaurenteed he's work for 500bhp (so if it brakes any lower than that then he'll fix it) so who am I to argue the same with gearbox builder,he said standard 5speed is on good for 350bhp but frozen will be ok with 400bhp (so that will get sent back too lol) I appreciate my mods might not be enough to get 400bhp maybe a bit optimistic of me but im pretty sure there's more to offer with mine,so as much as possible would be good. I love my second gear,30-70mph time is immense,but would like more in 3rd gear and just generally tuned to its best.
Old 15 November 2013 | 08:34 PM
  #66  
domino46's Avatar
domino46
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 3,179
Likes: 264
From: www.bbscoobys.com
Default

Originally Posted by scoobyJim2
For free?? Any offers
No sorry ,, just suggesting some mappers arnt just after your money and some will go out of there way to help you out
Old 15 November 2013 | 09:02 PM
  #67  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by domino46

No sorry ,, just suggesting some mappers arnt just after your money and some will go out of there way to help you out
Thats ok,who am I kidding im also sure people can be clever aswell as polite and not grumpy lol
Old 15 November 2013 | 11:13 PM
  #68  
Alan Jeffery's Avatar
Alan Jeffery
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,662
Likes: 0
From: Enginetuner.co.uk Plymouth Dyno Dynamics RR Engine machining and building EcuTek SimTek mapping
Default

Originally Posted by addi monster
So what you are generally saying here is all the polite young mappers have not got a clue what they are doing ?

Come on pal, have a look at yourself here
No, your interpretation is erronous. I indicated that just because somebody is "nice" it doesn't necessarily follow that they can map a car! If you go read a few eulogies you'll see what I'm on about.
Old 15 November 2013 | 11:29 PM
  #69  
leecalcars's Avatar
leecalcars
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (37)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,843
Likes: 0
From: never far away from my impreza
Default

Originally Posted by scoobyJim2
Thats a fair bit of torque 450. What went wrong with your box?
Lost second gear
Old 16 November 2013 | 09:57 AM
  #70  
addi monster's Avatar
addi monster
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,509
Likes: 0
From: north of the south border
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
No, your interpretation is erronous. I indicated that just because somebody is "nice" it doesn't necessarily follow that they can map a car! If you go read a few eulogies you'll see what I'm on about.
Not at all. I think 99% of the people that read it will take it the way I did. Almost every post you make is of the same nature and it's quite pathetic that a so called established tuner acts this way.
Old 16 November 2013 | 10:21 AM
  #71  
pimmo2000's Avatar
pimmo2000
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 14,660
Likes: 4
From: On a small Island near France
Default

Originally Posted by addi monster
Not at all. I think 99% of the people that read it will take it the way I did. Almost every post you make is of the same nature and it's quite pathetic that a so called established tuner acts this way.

To be fair I understood his post. Lots of people who can talk the talk, tell you what you want to hear, impress you during the map with all this extra power, but in reality, three days later, pop.

He's not saying people aren't good if they're nice, just that nice doesn't mean good. The same goes for grumpy.
Old 16 November 2013 | 05:21 PM
  #72  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by leecalcars

Lost second gear
Did it strip the teeth?
Old 16 November 2013 | 05:46 PM
  #73  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by pimmo2000

To be fair I understood his post. Lots of people who can talk the talk, tell you what you want to hear, impress you during the map with all this extra power, but in reality, three days later, pop.

He's not saying people aren't good if they're nice, just that nice doesn't mean good. The same goes for grumpy.
I don't think nice people necessarily want to impress you and talk the talk. They can be nice and still do a good job. My engine builder was one of one of the nicest people I have ever met and he has done a fantastic job. If i had an idea or suggestion that he didnt think was good or worth doing he would tell me and he wasnt rude,blunt or grumpy. Im sure none of you are as bad in person as writing messages make your sound,its difficult to come across how you mean in a message
Old 16 November 2013 | 07:17 PM
  #74  
Alan Jeffery's Avatar
Alan Jeffery
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,662
Likes: 0
From: Enginetuner.co.uk Plymouth Dyno Dynamics RR Engine machining and building EcuTek SimTek mapping
Default

Originally Posted by addi monster
Not at all. I think 99% of the people that read it will take it the way I did. Almost every post you make is of the same nature and it's quite pathetic that a so called established tuner acts this way.
I think your political party is short on members!
I can't see anything wrong in pointing out what should be obvious, ie the guy is there to tune your car and that is all. The way he does his job is what's important, rather than his bedside manner. Put it this way, I treat my customers like adults, rather than suckers.
Old 16 November 2013 | 08:03 PM
  #75  
mickywrx's Avatar
mickywrx
Unmapped 12.4s @ 105
iTrader: (29)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 11,777
Likes: 4
From: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Post

Originally Posted by scoobyJim2
My engine builder was one of one of the nicest people I have ever met and he has done a fantastic job.
Who's built it?
Old 16 November 2013 | 08:23 PM
  #76  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery

I think your political party is short on members!
I can't see anything wrong in pointing out what should be obvious, ie the guy is there to tune your car and that is all. The way he does his job is what's important, rather than his bedside manner. Put it this way, I treat my customers like adults, rather than suckers.
I think we're worrying over friendly & not as friendly people too much! You can know what you're doing whether you're over friendly or not I think
Old 16 November 2013 | 09:07 PM
  #77  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by mickywrx

Who's built it?
Ashley at wilks engines. He's not a big garage but has been building engines since the 70s and subaru engines for over 10yrs now! He will put/fit any makes/brands you want,but he will tell you if he doesn't think its worth it or necessary. Originally he suggested rebuilding with normal sti internals instead of doing a standard wrx rebuild,he said it would be good for 400bhp. I told him I want to run power close to that so therefore wouldnt be strong enough. So then he got hold of some bits from a special edition sti (one that is 300-400bhp standard,like the cosworth one) done a few other things and guarantees it good for 500bhp now.
Old 16 November 2013 | 09:15 PM
  #78  
MattyB1983's Avatar
MattyB1983
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 12,716
Likes: 46
From: Around
Default

Originally Posted by scoobyJim2
. So then he got hold of some bits from a special edition sti (one that is 300-400bhp standard,like the cosworth one).

Which special edition is that then ???
Old 16 November 2013 | 09:22 PM
  #79  
BrownPantsRacing's Avatar
BrownPantsRacing
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 8,701
Likes: 128
From: Herts & Bucks
Default

LOL
Old 16 November 2013 | 09:22 PM
  #80  
mickywrx's Avatar
mickywrx
Unmapped 12.4s @ 105
iTrader: (29)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 11,777
Likes: 4
From: Newcastle. 330bhp-289lb/ft @ 1bar boost - 12.4s @ 105mph
Default

Good luck with your guarantee, I fear it won't be worth the paper it's probably not written on.

The Cosworth STI is a 2.5, and there are no 400bhp 2.0l cars out of the factory, special edition or not.

Newage 2.0l STI's will cope with 400, but, for how long.
Old 16 November 2013 | 11:45 PM
  #81  
Alan Jeffery's Avatar
Alan Jeffery
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,662
Likes: 0
From: Enginetuner.co.uk Plymouth Dyno Dynamics RR Engine machining and building EcuTek SimTek mapping
Default

Originally Posted by scoobyJim2
I think we're worrying over friendly & not as friendly people too much! You can know what you're doing whether you're over friendly or not I think
True, my point was that you can also be "friendly" without knowing what you're doing. The majority of the feedback on mappers I've been reading on here concerns their character and not the content of the actual work.

I specifically worry about a couple of the more recent laptop jockeys with an IT background who have had very little actual experience of working on cars. There's often something missing, and it shows. I'd say by far the best results are from those mappers who work closely with properly established garage style tuners and dyno owners.
The reason I say this concerns the frequency with which cars come in that need a fair amount of work before they can be set up. It's rare for an Impreza to come in, and all we're doing is mapping it. Invariably we have to fix something first, and a lot of it isn't a roadside repair. It's just that life is a damn sight easier when you have a workshop, ramp, staff etc at your disposal.
Old 17 November 2013 | 12:26 AM
  #82  
Steve777's Avatar
Steve777
Scooby Senior
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 3,684
Likes: 0
From: www.m-soc.com
Default

Well said Alan

That's all I have to say
Old 17 November 2013 | 01:50 AM
  #83  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by mickywrx
Good luck with your guarantee, I fear it won't be worth the paper it's probably not written on.

The Cosworth STI is a 2.5, and there are no 400bhp 2.0l cars out of the factory, special edition or not.

Newage 2.0l STI's will cope with 400, but, for how long.
Im sure the con rods are still the same lenght in 2.0 & 2.5ltr
Old 17 November 2013 | 01:58 AM
  #84  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by mickywrx
Good luck with your guarantee, I fear it won't be worth the paper it's probably not written on.

The Cosworth STI is a 2.5, and there are no 400bhp 2.0l cars out of the factory, special edition or not.

Newage 2.0l STI's will cope with 400, but, for how long.
All I know is the guy will fix it if it brakes at any less than 500bhp. Like I say the original build he was going to do he would warranty it to 400bhp.I said I want more reliability than that so he went back to the drawing board,sourced some better bits and said it would be able to take 500bhp if I wanted. I fully trust this guy and know he is good for his word with the warranty.
Old 17 November 2013 | 02:15 AM
  #85  
scoobyJim2's Avatar
scoobyJim2
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 0
From: welling,kent
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery

True, my point was that you can also be "friendly" without knowing what you're doing. The majority of the feedback on mappers I've been reading on here concerns their character and not the content of the actual work.

I specifically worry about a couple of the more recent laptop jockeys with an IT background who have had very little actual experience of working on cars. There's often something missing, and it shows. I'd say by far the best results are from those mappers who work closely with properly established garage style tuners and dyno owners.
The reason I say this concerns the frequency with which cars come in that need a fair amount of work before they can be set up. It's rare for an Impreza to come in, and all we're doing is mapping it. Invariably we have to fix something first, and a lot of it isn't a roadside repair. It's just that life is a damn sight easier when you have a workshop, ramp, staff etc at your disposal.
I dont dont think peoples personalities has anything to do with what they know,but thats just my opinion. But I understand your point about judging on personalities rather than skills. I appreciate its not a straight forward process mapping,things can go wrong or it might need things like new maf or map sensors and boost solenoids involving £££s. Hoping to keep away from amateurs,friendly or not lol and like you say you someone with the right equipment and knowledge to use it. ie your son martyn,simon jgm and another one or two
Old 17 November 2013 | 04:39 PM
  #86  
chunkb's Avatar
chunkb
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 456
Likes: 0
Default

Paul Blamire.....top man.... RCM use all the time,that says enough.
Old 17 November 2013 | 04:44 PM
  #87  
addi monster's Avatar
addi monster
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,509
Likes: 0
From: north of the south border
Default

Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
I think your political party is short on members!
I can't see anything wrong in pointing out what should be obvious, ie the guy is there to tune your car and that is all. The way he does his job is what's important, rather than his bedside manner. Put it this way, I treat my customers like adults, rather than suckers.
And so do the nice polite mappers out there (adult's/suckers).

Oh and I don't have any political party Alan, If I think you act like a **** in the threads I will tell you,

And yes I do .
Old 17 November 2013 | 04:47 PM
  #88  
MattyB1983's Avatar
MattyB1983
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (51)
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 12,716
Likes: 46
From: Around
Default

Why doesn't Pat ever get a mention in threads like this ???
Old 17 November 2013 | 04:54 PM
  #89  
Picklemaroo's Avatar
Picklemaroo
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 328
Likes: 0
From: Selby
Default

Originally Posted by MattyB1983
Why doesn't Pat ever get a mention in threads like this ???
Agreed, he's brilliant
Old 17 November 2013 | 05:10 PM
  #90  
addi monster's Avatar
addi monster
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,509
Likes: 0
From: north of the south border
Default

Originally Posted by MattyB1983
Why doesn't Pat ever get a mention in threads like this ???
Everyone knows that pat is Scooby clinics chosen mapper and the bloke does not need any advertisement nor does he come on here self promoting like some


Quick Reply: who's the best impreza engine mapper?



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:21 AM.