cster

Yes.

DYK

Got any pics

fitzscoob

It's a dentist appointment, you were not getting your leg amputated.

If the dentist said it's unsafe for you to drive or operate machinery afterwards this is not sick, it's a side effect of going to the dentist so you should have the entire day off, not half a day.

What do you expect, your boss to say thanks, that you told him you were going to have a sick day for the dentist? Some people are seriously not in the real world.

Don't get me started on playing the sick card when you're not sick either. It'll come back and bite you in the *** one day, remember the boy who cried wolf?

urban

iTrader: (1)

I can't figure out if you're actually being serious about this.

You had to go to the dentist.
You knew you were being given sedation, because the dentist would have advised being accompanied etc.

Your contact of employment, or employee handbook, most likely states that should be this in your own time - i.e. annual leave in your case.

cster

It is a bit like taking time off sick, because you are pissed.

Leslie

Seems most unfair to me that your boss has taken such an attitude especially since you will effectively be partially disabled after the treatment.

Les

john banks

He is there to work not have his teeth fixed?

If I was him, I'd work hard on impressing the boss, or see how it feels when you employ people and they want time off on your ticket. Profit soon turns to loss.

Reality is, I would let my staff out for this sort of thing, but if I was an employee I'd expect to take holiday.

RICHARD J

iTrader: (4)

Times are hard & most businesses are really struggling so when staff want to take the **** your boss isn't going to be sympathetic. Iv got several friends who run their own business who don't take a proper wage or any holidays so they aren't really going to tolerate staff not pulling their weight.

DYK

Robs when you leave work before 5pm from a 3am start, and get looked at like you've just committed murder,and some smart *** shouts out half day again,then its time to shove two fingers up at that person,and say yea whatever **** you.

RobsyUK

iTrader: (2)

Thanks for the replies but it's not exactly a small company. It's manpower and they have budget of 2wks for me to go sick and I've used 4 in a year.

Next time I want a perm, paint my nails or go to yoga I'm phoning on sick. Strangly I can pretend to be ill yet I physically can't be out of my face / asleep for a medical appointment to have a tooth rebuilt... Crazy

paulr

The great thing about shifts, you don't have to deal with all this.

cster

Well, if I were in your position, I certainly wouldn't be making that statement on any social media site.

fitzscoob

The sick pay is a safety net that some companies offer staff as a perk. I pay a maximum of 6 days sick to my staff. If I got the whiff that they were doing something what you suggested I'd stop it immediately.

These are not holiday days. They are there to stop genuinely poorly people from losing part of their wage, not really designed for people that go to the dentist.

I suppose that sounds harsh, but at the end of the day, if everyone abused the sick pay system, business would have to stop it and the people who really need it would be forced to go without.

jonc

Why don't you try asking your employer whether you can or cannot, just to get it in writing.....

fitzscoob

I believe he did ask, got told no and now feels a bit hard done by.

john banks

RobsyUK, I was trying to work out how to say it, but I can't string together the words without sounding inflammatory, patronising or insulting.

fitzscoob

Hi John, it's very difficult for people to understand things from an employers point of view. There are quite large numbers of staff who think that businesses run themselves and that the "boss" has it easy. I think some would benefit greatly from putting their money where their mouth is and trying to build a business using their own funds - then see what the opinion of taking a sickie would be then.

john banks

Couldn't have said it better!

cster

Now that's just inflammatory, patronising and insulting.

john banks

Or all three?

hodgy0_2

i suspect that in the vast majority of cases **** employers get sh1te employees

bit like life really

boomer

Absolutely!

I have worked for over 30 years and as yet have not had a single day off "sick". Sure i have come in late, e.g. after a dental checkup etc. (and made up the hours) - but i would never dream of having a day of "free money" because i felt a bit poorly!

If i ran my life by RobsyUK's standards i would be "due" well over a year's worth of "sickie" - and that sounds sick (in the "old" sense of the word!).

mb

Turbohot

You know what, it's a gem ^ that you've applied to the issue of personal relationships in past, and now to this employer-employee relationship.

Well said.

hodgy0_2

Not really rocket science though is it

I am a landlord (as well as my day job), I think a pretty good one, low and behold I get no trouble from my tenants, and some have been renting off me for 13 years - with no sign of leaving.

We as a familly had 6 or 7 au pairs when our kids were smaller, all good, some fantastic -- we, all 7 of us, went to a wedding of one of them in Germany earlier this year.

In the brides speech I was referred to as the "host father"

I used to sit at dinner parties listening to parents complain bitterly how every single au pair they employed, took the ****, was rubbish etc etc

They would turn to my wife and I and say "you guys are so lucky with yours"

I used to sit there noddying but inwardly smiling --- It reminded me of the old sporting phrase, "the harder I practice the luckier get"

When you boil it down life is so incredibly simple it never ceases to amaze me how many people Fvck it up.

People seem incapable of getting the basics right - amazing

tony de wonderful

I think most salaried professionals would 'expect' a bit of give and take here. Take half a day off but not as holiday, maybe work a bit later one or two days at most or something.

OP sounds like he just gets paid per hour, as mentioned strictly speaking it should count as a holiday. Yes it sucks because it means you are valued as much as a lump of soil but the employer is 'right' from a contractual POV.

Suck it up, move on.

tony de wonderful

Might not matter 'cos of the nature of the work. Breaking rocks doesn't need much diligence or long term commitment, cooperation, trust.

cster

I expect my employees to be committed to doing their job, not trying to claim sick pay when they are not sick.
We are a smallish team and when one person takes time off, other people have to pick up the slack.
In cases of genuine need, we all make an effort to support each other, but anyone with the OPs attitude would get pretty short shrift, more from co-workers than myself.
Why this should translate into people being "valued as much as a lump of soil" is beyond my comprehension. It is the other way around. People need to have some self respect IMO.

Turbohot

No.



Yes.

tony de wonderful

Well people in professional salaried jobs probably would't even claim it as a sick day. They'd just not come in for the few hours in question after having a chat with their superior about the dentist appointment.

hodgy0_2

A friend and work colleague flew to Slovakia on Thursday, to collect his son

Just made sure his work was squared away etc

No problems - his work is always top notch and delivered on time (not that I am his boss)

In the world of "always on" communication, I suspect a lot of employers have seen a massive benefit in terms of employee productivity - most people I know check their BB well in to the evening and even throughout the weekend

Quid pro qou, as the phrase goes