Employee rights
03 September 2013, 05:50 PM
#1
Employee rights
Are there any HR guys or troops that know emplyoment law?
Firstly, why do HR always agree with the manager and not whats right?
So here is my dialema:
I have a dentist appointment. Im being sedated for 2hrs while they rebuild a tooth and make it ready for a bridge. I have been advised that it is unsafe for me to drive or use machinery after and had to sign a sheet to say i wouldnt.
I told my boss i needed the day off 'sick' and he said it has to go down as holiday as a dentist apointment is not like an operation and doesnt take all day.
I said but if i had phoned in sick there would have been no questions or if i had had the appointment and then rung up to say ive been advised not to work it would of been ok.
I totally get that with people off sick the company looses money etc but its not like im going to butlins.
Also how does the law stand on going to doctors, dentists & hospitals during work hours. I thought by law yur employer couldnt say no...
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Firstly, why do HR always agree with the manager and not whats right?
So here is my dialema:
I have a dentist appointment. Im being sedated for 2hrs while they rebuild a tooth and make it ready for a bridge. I have been advised that it is unsafe for me to drive or use machinery after and had to sign a sheet to say i wouldnt.
I told my boss i needed the day off 'sick' and he said it has to go down as holiday as a dentist apointment is not like an operation and doesnt take all day.
I said but if i had phoned in sick there would have been no questions or if i had had the appointment and then rung up to say ive been advised not to work it would of been ok.
I totally get that with people off sick the company looses money etc but its not like im going to butlins.
Also how does the law stand on going to doctors, dentists & hospitals during work hours. I thought by law yur employer couldnt say no...
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03 September 2013, 07:43 PM
#4
Mr Banks is correct.
If you want to lie to your employer and say you are sick, that is another matter.
Why should your employer pay for you to attend a dental or GP appointment ? That is something I would do in my own time.
People seem to have a strange sense of entitlement in this country IMO.
Mind you, I am a self employed immigrant
If you want to lie to your employer and say you are sick, that is another matter.
Why should your employer pay for you to attend a dental or GP appointment ? That is something I would do in my own time.
People seem to have a strange sense of entitlement in this country IMO.
Mind you, I am a self employed immigrant
03 September 2013, 07:55 PM
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What about if your boss asks you to come in during your holiday and work unpaid, similar circumstances in reverse, my sister is a teacher and they don'tget paid if they go to the dentist or if there sick.
03 September 2013, 08:46 PM
#7
Mr Banks is correct.
If you want to lie to your employer and say you are sick, that is another matter.
Why should your employer pay for you to attend a dental or GP appointment ? That is something I would do in my own time.
People seem to have a strange sense of entitlement in this country IMO.
Mind you, I am a self employed immigrant
If you want to lie to your employer and say you are sick, that is another matter.
Why should your employer pay for you to attend a dental or GP appointment ? That is something I would do in my own time.
People seem to have a strange sense of entitlement in this country IMO.
Mind you, I am a self employed immigrant
I can understand why some employers insist on people using holidays or taking the time unpaid, but as for doing it in your own time....that's all well and good if you have a job where you have 'free' time when surgeries are actually open. Thankfully, I get my day off during the week so do my best to arrange appointments for then, but for people who work Monday to Friday, they may have no choice but to make an appointment during work hours.
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03 September 2013, 08:50 PM
#9
Teachers don't get paid for sick???
I am not so sure about that one .
03 September 2013, 10:08 PM
#11
I will give any of my guys time off to visit attend a medical appointment or dentist appointment if they produce an appointment card.
Once had someone ask if needing 2 weeks of to have cosmetic surgery could be treated in the same way, ie paid time off. When told no, she then said, even it was recommended for metal health reasons. It was still a no, but her **** looked great when she returned from leave!!!
Once had someone ask if needing 2 weeks of to have cosmetic surgery could be treated in the same way, ie paid time off. When told no, she then said, even it was recommended for metal health reasons. It was still a no, but her **** looked great when she returned from leave!!!
03 September 2013, 10:19 PM
#12
It's correct
Not entitled to time off for a densitsts
That's what you have holidays and days off for
What's the difference between dentist / hairdresser / nail salloon / massage parlour
Still a service provider
Throw a sickie
Well I won't coment on that way out of it
Not entitled to time off for a densitsts
That's what you have holidays and days off for
What's the difference between dentist / hairdresser / nail salloon / massage parlour
Still a service provider
Throw a sickie
Well I won't coment on that way out of it
03 September 2013, 10:57 PM
#14
Hey could be worse. . .
How many of you have to save up your holiday's for xmas eve, xmas day, boxing day,new years eve and new year's day!! out of your yearly holiday entitlement!! **** to be honest.
Work isnt even open at all so it's not like i can come in if i liked!!
How many of you have to save up your holiday's for xmas eve, xmas day, boxing day,new years eve and new year's day!! out of your yearly holiday entitlement!! **** to be honest.
Work isnt even open at all so it's not like i can come in if i liked!!
03 September 2013, 11:06 PM
#15
Hey could be worse. . .
How many of you have to save up your holiday's for xmas eve, xmas day, boxing day,new years eve and new year's day!! out of your yearly holiday entitlement!! **** to be honest.
Work isnt even open at all so it's not like i can come in if i liked!!
How many of you have to save up your holiday's for xmas eve, xmas day, boxing day,new years eve and new year's day!! out of your yearly holiday entitlement!! **** to be honest.
Work isnt even open at all so it's not like i can come in if i liked!!
03 September 2013, 11:24 PM
#17
Had to work all xmas and new year 2 years ago as was working for a pub, should of got either of them off if worked xmas for examply, got new year off. So i too the work xmas and off at new year, surprise surprise those who took xmas off, Fell ill over new year.
Shower of ****.
Shower of ****.
04 September 2013, 12:55 AM
#18
Not absolutely sure about the dentist times now as it's recently been taken over, but the GP surgery closes at 6pm and the earliest appointment is 9am. Worst case scenario, if my work didn't allow the time (or I couldn't work around my day off), I could work different hours to allow me to either start later or finish sooner, or make the hours up. Not all work places are so flexible. If somebody's working day, is the amount of time the business operates (nobody is there either side of the working hours) and they work weekdays, with nobody there over the weekend, they have no choice but to either not get paid or use holiday.
I personally think that is unfair. If a business runs in such a way that staff are unable to arrange appointments outside of their working hours, I think they should allow a 'reasonable' amount of time for them, upon staff presenting an appointment card. Like I say, I appreciate where employers come from and I know plenty of people on here will disagree with me, but it's just my opinion.
04 September 2013, 01:02 AM
#19
Had to work all xmas and new year 2 years ago as was working for a pub, should of got either of them off if worked xmas for examply, got new year off. So i too the work xmas and off at new year, surprise surprise those who took xmas off, Fell ill over new year.
Shower of ****.
Shower of ****.
04 September 2013, 04:16 PM
#23
Why can't you use a day's holiday? You're not actually sick are you, its the dentist.
I'd suggest taking the full day off, as when you're under they're going to give you more trouble than when you had your prostrate violated.
I'd suggest taking the full day off, as when you're under they're going to give you more trouble than when you had your prostrate violated.
04 September 2013, 04:45 PM
#24
The earliest appointment is 8:30 the latest is 7pm (7pm once a month and may only be with the highesnist.
Dont forget my appointment wasnt a check up. It was borderline urgent as i was having a tempory filling removed and preporation for a bridge.
I was injected with the best drug in the world and have been asleep all day. Sucks having to use holiday unable to eat correctly & lay here feeling rubbish.
Dont you get holiday back if your sick on holiday.
Dont forget my appointment wasnt a check up. It was borderline urgent as i was having a tempory filling removed and preporation for a bridge.
I was injected with the best drug in the world and have been asleep all day. Sucks having to use holiday unable to eat correctly & lay here feeling rubbish.
Dont you get holiday back if your sick on holiday.
04 September 2013, 04:57 PM
#25
How are you sick?
You might get it back but that depends on your contract if you get paid sick leave or SSP. Even paid sick leave could be down to the employers discretion as they know why you're off and you threatened to take it as a sick day prior, they may smell a rat.
You might get it back but that depends on your contract if you get paid sick leave or SSP. Even paid sick leave could be down to the employers discretion as they know why you're off and you threatened to take it as a sick day prior, they may smell a rat.
04 September 2013, 05:07 PM
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i'm not sure that is correct
it obviously depends on your contract of employment
but i suspect if you were on a full time contract with paid holiday (which is essential part of your working year) you would be entilted to SSP at the least
it would be a brave employee to push the point though
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3860
http://www.personneltoday.com/articl...etake-time.htm
it obviously depends on your contract of employment
but i suspect if you were on a full time contract with paid holiday (which is essential part of your working year) you would be entilted to SSP at the least
it would be a brave employee to push the point though
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3860
http://www.personneltoday.com/articl...etake-time.htm
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04 September 2013, 05:13 PM
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I will give any of my guys time off to visit attend a medical appointment or dentist appointment if they produce an appointment card.
Once had someone ask if needing 2 weeks of to have cosmetic surgery could be treated in the same way, ie paid time off. When told no, she then said, even it was recommended for metal health reasons. It was still a no, but her **** looked great when she returned from leave!!!
Once had someone ask if needing 2 weeks of to have cosmetic surgery could be treated in the same way, ie paid time off. When told no, she then said, even it was recommended for metal health reasons. It was still a no, but her **** looked great when she returned from leave!!!
05 September 2013, 07:18 AM
#30
Have you actually seen that i was sedated. So even if my boss let me go to the appointment i was out of my face so unable to go back to work . Therefore sick ?
If a medical profession has said after a sedation it is unsafe for you to drive or operate machinery andtherefore unable to work surely this is sick?
If i have to take it as hols then so be it. Next time ill stay quiet and just throw a sicky. I genuinly thought i was helping the company out by giving them notice....
If a medical profession has said after a sedation it is unsafe for you to drive or operate machinery andtherefore unable to work surely this is sick?
If i have to take it as hols then so be it. Next time ill stay quiet and just throw a sicky. I genuinly thought i was helping the company out by giving them notice....