Anyone bought or thinking of buying a white UK STi hawkeye
My old white classic type r always seemed a different shade of white on the plastic parts like the bumpers etc to the bodywork. Bit like red cars when the fade in the sun and go pink, the plastic parts always look brighter then the faded bodywork!!!
Shame about that white hawk though, Not many in white, and even less decent white hawks about now!!!!
Shame about that white hawk though, Not many in white, and even less decent white hawks about now!!!!
it wasn't the usual subtle differences like you get on the white models.
it was miles off, so much so it stood out at quite a distance.
if they couldn't be bothered to match the paint what else is scrimped on??
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Your all making me laugh on this thread, the car was well looked after prior to the gasket failure.i know as i owned it!
The respray on rear bumper was done 2 weeks before i part chopped it from a small carpark scrape with which the arsehole didnt stop or leave details.
I did moan about the colour difference but as the car was part ex'd and garage didnt seem bothered so didnt matter either way to me
Yes the car should have been sorted properly but was by no means a dog beforehand
The respray on rear bumper was done 2 weeks before i part chopped it from a small carpark scrape with which the arsehole didnt stop or leave details.
I did moan about the colour difference but as the car was part ex'd and garage didnt seem bothered so didnt matter either way to me
Yes the car should have been sorted properly but was by no means a dog beforehand
Your all making me laugh on this thread, the car was well looked after prior to the gasket failure.i know as i owned it!
The respray on rear bumper was done 2 weeks before i part chopped it from a small carpark scrape with which the arsehole didnt stop or leave details.
I did moan about the colour difference but as the car was part ex'd and garage didnt seem bothered so didnt matter either way to me
Yes the car should have been sorted properly but was by no means a dog beforehand
The respray on rear bumper was done 2 weeks before i part chopped it from a small carpark scrape with which the arsehole didnt stop or leave details.
I did moan about the colour difference but as the car was part ex'd and garage didnt seem bothered so didnt matter either way to me
Yes the car should have been sorted properly but was by no means a dog beforehand
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The car reg is yx07 hhe. I would never tell anyone to not buy this car but best to be fully informed before buying it and the risks associated with it. This car has had the headgasket redone by a none specialist who wouldn't even contribute towards getting a forged rebuild done despite the factotu I would also be out of pocket. They made me pay for the car to be delivered to them as well. The car has also got a resprayed rear bumper which is clearly a mismatch! There is barely any paperwork with the car. What extent of damage was done to pistons when it over heated? Do you think they would of checked these/replaced them? I received no paperwork with the so called warranty. Guy at ESP told me that I actually wasn't within my rights for full refund and that they were doing me a favour. They added another £1k onto asking price to recoup cost of head gasket. They have lied to Pete by not even outlining the fact they have just rebuilt the headgasket
I could go on but it's boring ! forewarned is the key here . The car is a risk, more so now with a recent engine failure and sold by cowboys who are regulated by the fsa!
I could go on but it's boring !
forewarned is the key here . The car is a risk, more so now with a recent engine failure and sold by cowboys who are regulated by the fsa!Yes maybe there is now nothing wrong with that car, and yes as I'm sure picklemaroo was, I am gutted that its not sitting on my drive now but there was no way I could give ESP 12500 quid for that car because they blatantly lied to me over and over again. The deposit refund is proving hard work aswell! I certainly won't be recommending them!!
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So - you paid a deposit?
Well, they'll say it's non-refundable.
You'll say that it was on the basis that the car was as described.
They've admitted that it wasn't, given that you have proof that the hg was done yet they denied that.
Small Claims Court, Trading Standards for misrepresentation.
Threat of, should sort it.
Well, they'll say it's non-refundable.
You'll say that it was on the basis that the car was as described.
They've admitted that it wasn't, given that you have proof that the hg was done yet they denied that.
Small Claims Court, Trading Standards for misrepresentation.
Threat of, should sort it.
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So - you paid a deposit?
Well, they'll say it's non-refundable.
You'll say that it was on the basis that the car was as described.
They've admitted that it wasn't, given that you have proof that the hg was done yet they denied that.
Small Claims Court, Trading Standards for misrepresentation.
Threat of, should sort it.
Well, they'll say it's non-refundable.
You'll say that it was on the basis that the car was as described.
They've admitted that it wasn't, given that you have proof that the hg was done yet they denied that.
Small Claims Court, Trading Standards for misrepresentation.
Threat of, should sort it.
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Yeh I paid the deposit and was nearly on route to pick it up. I said to them we can either do this the easy way or the hard way but I'm within my rights to get my money back, i said if you say I'm not getting my money back the next phone call will be from my solicitor, they soon backed down and said the cheque has already been sent. If its not on my door mat tomorrow I'm doing the 150 mile drive to go and talk to those *********s face to face. Will park my car across the front door and won't move it until cheque is in hand. Lets hope it doesn't come to that as I have an awful lot of work to do this week and have already lost money in time with them all last week!!
Costs less money to issue a Small Claims Court summons.
CCJ against the business = problems they won't be able to resolve.
But you want it settled quickly, so cue..... diplomacy.
It's gone wrong.
The entire Scoobynet community is now on to this dodgy Hawk.
A CCJ and the entire world is on to it.
Money back, and a post from you that ESP were good enough to refund your non-returnable deposit because the problems with the car were brought to their attention and they felt it was the only proper thing to do.
They save face, you save money.
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Well that highlights two issues for me.
Firstly they appear to have blatantly lied, and I absolutely despise liars. I said earlier in this thread that you have to tread carefully over a situation like this to avoid coming across as malicious but when presented with a version of events that suggests misrepresentation and deliberate lying then I think we all need to know and warnings need to be put out there. How do we not know that they would deal with other problems so cynically? Bodge it back together and sell it ASAP!
Dealers need to know that if you lie to a customer the story is going to get out there into the widespread public domain very quickly.
Second, if they have been caning the car around then really does it matter? These cars are marketed as being rally cars for the road you should be able to give it a bit of death without fearing the pistons or HG going ****. Subaru should have uprated the cast pistons and uprated the HG studs as soon as this problem became apparent.
Firstly they appear to have blatantly lied, and I absolutely despise liars. I said earlier in this thread that you have to tread carefully over a situation like this to avoid coming across as malicious but when presented with a version of events that suggests misrepresentation and deliberate lying then I think we all need to know and warnings need to be put out there. How do we not know that they would deal with other problems so cynically? Bodge it back together and sell it ASAP!
Dealers need to know that if you lie to a customer the story is going to get out there into the widespread public domain very quickly.
Second, if they have been caning the car around then really does it matter? These cars are marketed as being rally cars for the road you should be able to give it a bit of death without fearing the pistons or HG going ****. Subaru should have uprated the cast pistons and uprated the HG studs as soon as this problem became apparent.
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Well that highlights two issues for me.
Firstly they appear to have blatantly lied, and I absolutely despise liars. I said earlier in this thread that you have to tread carefully over a situation like this to avoid coming across as malicious but when presented with a version of events that suggests misrepresentation and deliberate lying then I think we all need to know and warnings need to be put out there. How do we not know that they would deal with other problems so cynically? Bodge it back together and sell it ASAP!
Dealers need to know that if you lie to a customer the story is going to get out there into the widespread public domain very quickly.
Second, if they have been caning the car around then really does it matter? These cars are marketed as being rally cars for the road you should be able to give it a bit of death without fearing the pistons or HG going ****. Subaru should have uprated the cast pistons and uprated the HG studs as soon as this problem became apparent.
Firstly they appear to have blatantly lied, and I absolutely despise liars. I said earlier in this thread that you have to tread carefully over a situation like this to avoid coming across as malicious but when presented with a version of events that suggests misrepresentation and deliberate lying then I think we all need to know and warnings need to be put out there. How do we not know that they would deal with other problems so cynically? Bodge it back together and sell it ASAP!
Dealers need to know that if you lie to a customer the story is going to get out there into the widespread public domain very quickly.
Second, if they have been caning the car around then really does it matter? These cars are marketed as being rally cars for the road you should be able to give it a bit of death without fearing the pistons or HG going ****. Subaru should have uprated the cast pistons and uprated the HG studs as soon as this problem became apparent.
rag it from cold and see what happens
ESP
Well that highlights two issues for me.
Firstly they appear to have blatantly lied, and I absolutely despise liars. I said earlier in this thread that you have to tread carefully over a situation like this to avoid coming across as malicious but when presented with a version of events that suggests misrepresentation and deliberate lying then I think we all need to know and warnings need to be put out there. How do we not know that they would deal with other problems so cynically? Bodge it back together and sell it ASAP!
Dealers need to know that if you lie to a customer the story is going to get out there into the widespread public domain very quickly.
Second, if they have been caning the car around then really does it matter? These cars are marketed as being rally cars for the road you should be able to give it a bit of death without fearing the pistons or HG going ****. Subaru should have uprated the cast pistons and uprated the HG studs as soon as this problem became apparent.
Firstly they appear to have blatantly lied, and I absolutely despise liars. I said earlier in this thread that you have to tread carefully over a situation like this to avoid coming across as malicious but when presented with a version of events that suggests misrepresentation and deliberate lying then I think we all need to know and warnings need to be put out there. How do we not know that they would deal with other problems so cynically? Bodge it back together and sell it ASAP!
Dealers need to know that if you lie to a customer the story is going to get out there into the widespread public domain very quickly.
Second, if they have been caning the car around then really does it matter? These cars are marketed as being rally cars for the road you should be able to give it a bit of death without fearing the pistons or HG going ****. Subaru should have uprated the cast pistons and uprated the HG studs as soon as this problem became apparent.
ESP are clearly dodgy yet claim to be whiter than white by stating how they are regulated by the FSA and claimed they had a full AA check done on the car but I never saw the paperwork - a lesson for me yes but wouldn't trust them one bit after all this. Oh and making me pay to have it transported down to them despite outlining the headgasket had gone after a sniff and pressure test from my local independent. They also claimed that they had an ex Subaru master technician working for them who had never heard of the chocolate piston issue with the hawks. They also claimed not to trust scoobynet etc as they will only post the bad stuff. Very underhand salesman - all charming and full of bull****
utter liars then.
firstly people post a lot asking about hurst cars and most scoobynetters recommend them as a good dealer.
an aa check is worth basically f*** all anyway.
and a Subaru technician that doesn't know the 2.5 issues, only answer to this was he quit in 2005 when the poo.5 was unleashed on the uk
firstly people post a lot asking about hurst cars and most scoobynetters recommend them as a good dealer.
an aa check is worth basically f*** all anyway.
and a Subaru technician that doesn't know the 2.5 issues, only answer to this was he quit in 2005 when the poo.5 was unleashed on the uk
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That's very kind of you ! However, I don't want to make a career out of it (although there seems to be plenty of opportunity to have practice, given recent threads.
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ESP are clearly dodgy yet claim to be whiter than white by stating how they are regulated by the FSA and claimed they had a full AA check done on the car but I never saw the paperwork - a lesson for me yes but wouldn't trust them one bit after all this. Oh and making me pay to have it transported down to them despite outlining the headgasket had gone after a sniff and pressure test from my local independent. They also claimed that they had an ex Subaru master technician working for them who had never heard of the chocolate piston issue with the hawks. They also claimed not to trust scoobynet etc as they will only post the bad stuff. Very underhand salesman - all charming and full of bull****
ANYONE (or organisation) that provides financial services (such as credit/finance etc.) is regulated by law, via the - yep FSA !
Northern Rock were regulated by the FSA, the banks are, Lenny-the-lender is regulated by the FSA (well, he should be....).
It's no guarantee of anything.
No doubt they'll have told someone that they are registered with the Local Authority for Business Rates and hence (implicity) follow the Trading Standards Department's Code of Practice or some similar tripe (the comment, not the Code....)
I've just had a deko at their site.
IMO (admittedly in view of comments and info here) I'd say they are primarily an 'appearance is of prime importance' organisation, all glossed up.
Joe public will be more inclined to go to a showroom that deals with prestige cars than honest Bert in his car lot or lock-up, even if it's 'only' a Subaru they want.
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Your all making me laugh on this thread, the car was well looked after prior to the gasket failure.i know as i owned it!
The respray on rear bumper was done 2 weeks before i part chopped it from a small carpark scrape with which the arsehole didnt stop or leave details.
I did moan about the colour difference but as the car was part ex'd and garage didnt seem bothered so didnt matter either way to me
Yes the car should have been sorted properly but was by no means a dog beforehand
The respray on rear bumper was done 2 weeks before i part chopped it from a small carpark scrape with which the arsehole didnt stop or leave details.
I did moan about the colour difference but as the car was part ex'd and garage didnt seem bothered so didnt matter either way to me
Yes the car should have been sorted properly but was by no means a dog beforehand
* Did you Px it to ESP? and
* if so, for how much; or
* was the price you got, compared to ESP's attempt to selling it to Picklemaroo 'reasonable' (in your view) ?