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Old May 2, 2013 | 11:03 PM
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Ford's electronic EGR is the worst...
Yep, tell me about it. My Mondy ST is on its 3rd electronic EGR now, only done 75k...

On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do.

Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
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Old May 3, 2013 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
On the Nissan GTR if you have a slight bump on the front, it activates the Pedestrian Safety gizmo which pops up the bonet which necessitates the replacement of the bumper, rams, bonnet hinges and ECU, total cost for the dealers to repair, £11k. Nice!
Myth. As many of the owners in GTR threads have said often....
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Originally Posted by Steve_PPP
Yep, tell me about it. My Mondy ST is on its 3rd electronic EGR now, only done 75k...

On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do. The car even had a Odb data logger installed - no good...it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself

Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
I'm quickly starting to hate doing diagnostic work on Fords. As the engine ECU has this annoying habit of crapping itself, shutting down the engine (whilst driving) and flashing the glow plug light.

Plug in a scan tool (any scan tool )....,what does it say? "No faults stored". Utter bollocks. The ECU knows something went wrong as it cut fuel to the engine, but as its intermittent and no longer present (as the engine is no longer running, Or has since been restarted )it has decided to ignore logging the fault codes. What's the point of EODB compliance if manufacturers don't bother to comply with it It wouldn't be so bad if one or two faults cause this. But it seems a whole plethora of engine actuator and sensor faults result in the engine ECU shutting down the engine.

I wasted hours on a x-type that did this, and all I could show for it was a huge list of possible parts to replace ranging from £10 to £2000..none of which could be tested on the fly due the fault happening once in every blue moon, and I had already ruled out wiring loom issues (which are known due to way its routed round the engine which can chafe). It even had a ODB data logger installed...but it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself

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EGR valve just thrown up a fault code on the van. Been reset but still bloody annoying. A year old, under 12k miles.

Modern four cylinder diesels are hopeless.
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Old May 3, 2013 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
EGR valve just thrown up a fault code on the van. Been reset but still bloody annoying. A year old, under 12k miles.

Modern four cylinder diesels are hopeless.
The engine is usually fine, it's the extras the meddling politicians have insisted on that cause the problems.
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Old May 3, 2013 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyJawa
Myth. As many of the owners in GTR threads have said often....
Can confirm its a myth.
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Old May 3, 2013 | 12:41 PM
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what's the myth

that the bonnet pops up on (minimal) contact or that it cost 11 G's to fix
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Old May 3, 2013 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sti-04!!
Can confirm its a myth.
Well it wasn't a myth for this dude!
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/127250-ac...hat-i-did.html
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Old May 3, 2013 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bustaMOVEs
On that bombshell diesels are NOT cheap to run anymore, better off with petrol.
My Mini Cooper D does 50mpg even on short shopping journeys and will do quite a bit better on a long run. It has a good performance for a car with a small engine with good acceleration, is very smooth and when driving it you would not realise it is a diesel. Its roadholding is also very good in wet or dry conditions.

All round I think it is one of the best cars I have owned.

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Same with our 335d.

But I'm looking at a petrol for its replacement.
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Thats good to know as im want the new golf gtd 185 bhp
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Old May 7, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Well it wasn't a myth for this dude!
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/127250-ac...hat-i-did.html
That was a long time ago
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Radio codes for radios that only fit in one make/model of car...FFS whats the point?

Meanwhile its been over a decade since I've seen a security code for a aftermarket radio
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Old May 7, 2013 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
Same with our 335d.

But I'm looking at a petrol for its replacement.
I'm seriously thinking about a 3 series tourer. Cannot make my mind up between 330i 335i 330d and 335d. Any reason why you are going for petrol this time instead of diesel.
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Most of the things that go wrong seem to be the sensors, Neutral Position Switch, Rear Diff Temp Sensor, ABS light, headlight levelling, rather than the real thing that they're supposed to be sensing
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Old May 7, 2013 | 10:32 PM
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My car a well looked after one owner full Subaru history,
Callipers front x2
Boot lock
Rear shocks
Headlight sensors
Crank sensor
2 set of standard alloys car was bought Sept. first set corroded round hub by end of November 2nd set at the end of the winter replaced April aftermarket alloys fitted after that
Secondary air pump valves x2
Drop links front
Apart from the alloys the rest done outside warranty that would be about £3,000 Subaru prices.
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Originally Posted by Luminous
I'm seriously thinking about a 3 series tourer. Cannot make my mind up between 330i 335i 330d and 335d. Any reason why you are going for petrol this time instead of diesel.
Partly just for a change; partly for a wee bit more fun. The 335d is great though; it does pretty much everything very well.

Just fancy a louder, easier revving motor; probably an M135i.
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Old May 8, 2013 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve_PPP
Yep, tell me about it. My Mondy ST is on its 3rd electronic EGR now, only done 75k...

On a plus note, at least ford put it right at the top front of the engine so it can be swapped in about 10 minutes. And the EGR is the same from the 2.2D Jag X-Type, yet the Jag dealers sell it for less than half the price Ford do.

Ford really are a bunch of cobbing runts
Hi Steve

When we are bought ST TDCi same like you we are got CEL,my thought has been EGR right away,later on I've plugged OBD scanner and EGR fault showed

We are took few times before EGR Valve apart and cleaned and for few miles has been OK,but again after 100 miles same EGR error showed,we are bought EGR plate has been again for 100 miles OK

Later we are bought EGR bypass which has been best thing and never we are got the EGR error and plus we are used one connector for boost gauge

Just search on the eBay Jaguar EGR bypass,we are bought this and worked on our one without the problem



Jura

Originally Posted by ALi-B
I'm quickly starting to hate doing diagnostic work on Fords. As the engine ECU has this annoying habit of crapping itself, shutting down the engine (whilst driving) and flashing the glow plug light.

Plug in a scan tool (any scan tool )....,what does it say? "No faults stored". Utter bollocks. The ECU knows something went wrong as it cut fuel to the engine, but as its intermittent and no longer present (as the engine is no longer running, Or has since been restarted )it has decided to ignore logging the fault codes. What's the point of EODB compliance if manufacturers don't bother to comply with it It wouldn't be so bad if one or two faults cause this. But it seems a whole plethora of engine actuator and sensor faults result in the engine ECU shutting down the engine.

I wasted hours on a x-type that did this, and all I could show for it was a huge list of possible parts to replace ranging from £10 to £2000..none of which could be tested on the fly due the fault happening once in every blue moon, and I had already ruled out wiring loom issues (which are known due to way its routed round the engine which can chafe). It even had a ODB data logger installed...but it stopped logging data when the ECU shat itself
Our neighbour bought Mondeo TDCI and after 3 months of ownership he couldn't start his car,he suspected crank sensor or fuel pump,crank sensor should be easy to replace,but fuel pump £700 for refurb fuel pump is OTT,if you are comparing this on petrol car,fuel pump cost just £40

Second bit what I hate on Ford is codding injectors and prices for new injectors

My brother looking get again TDi or TDCI car,but I've told him on longer run he will spend more than he will save,not sure if its worth to considering to move to Diesel


Jura
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Old May 8, 2013 | 06:39 AM
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Gearbox problems, but fixed under warranty.

However, we decided to have the clutch done at the same time as it was about 80% worn, so save £300 in a year or so, and were shocked at having to replace the flywheel too
So what has that lot cost, best part of £1k at a guess.

Judging by the sounds of all these well documented problems, my theory about these modern diesels holds water, and even more so if you have to pay for repairs at a garage.

I'll say it again, plenty of modern ish petrol cars get nigh on 40mpg so between the higher initial purchase price and the higher cost of fuel and all these "problems" I can't see the cost benefit, I'm also yet to see one of the motoring magazines do a cost comparison of diesel V'S petrol as was done with the old mondeo a few years ago at which point the break even was 100k miles, and I recon that was in the days before all these new fangled contraptions that keep going wrong, maybe there's a conspiracy.

Petrol FTW.
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Yes good informative topic
That's why I went for the juke Nismo petrol from my wrx diesel
Getting 36mpg to the 48mpg of the wrxd but petrol is a lot cheaper now to buy and I do less then 12 k. Year now

Some very scary gadgets on my new car though
Auto wipers and lights and connect 2 information centre and keyless entry so would be nervous in a few years time woth technical gadgets that will break as they get older
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Getting 36mpg to the 48mpg of the wrxd but petrol is a lot cheaper now to buy and I do less then 12 k. Year now
My point exactly.
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I now think that buying an older classic car that can be easily repaired is becoming more attractive than a second-hand gizmo car.

If I say to you "I am going to adjust my points and check my dwell angle" how many of you understand what I just said?
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
So what has that lot cost, best part of £1k at a guess.

Judging by the sounds of all these well documented problems, my theory about these modern diesels holds water, and even more so if you have to pay for repairs at a garage.

I'll say it again, plenty of modern ish petrol cars get nigh on 40mpg so between the higher initial purchase price and the higher cost of fuel and all these "problems" I can't see the cost benefit, I'm also yet to see one of the motoring magazines do a cost comparison of diesel V'S petrol as was done with the old mondeo a few years ago at which point the break even was 100k miles, and I recon that was in the days before all these new fangled contraptions that keep going wrong, maybe there's a conspiracy.

Petrol FTW.
Clutch parts were just over £600 plus VAT, the rest was stood by the warranty company.

Even dearer than a decent Scoob clutch, and ore than double what I'd ever paid for a clutch before.

As for petrol, well lots of newer petrol cars have the same, or similar technology, plus all the electronic gizmos that will be OK for the NEW owner, but in ten years' time????

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Originally Posted by Oldun
I now think that buying an older classic car that can be easily repaired is becoming more attractive than a second-hand gizmo car.

If I say to you "I am going to adjust my points and check my dwell angle" how many of you understand what I just said?
I know exactly what you`re on about.
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To be fair "checking the points ". , ( most trips, with a lump of emery) was not quite fun on my Capri in 1986
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Originally Posted by dpb
To be fair "checking the points ". , ( most trips, with a lump of emery) was not quite fun on my Capri in 1986
MkI Cortina Lotus was even worse
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Mk II wasn't that bad.
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my Mini Cooper S has the disty pointing straight into the weather!!!

on the upside easy to get at, - tried not to use emery cloth as it rounded of the contacts - used a thin file

and if doing it at home would use that old lightbulb setup to get the timing of the points spot on -- them were the days
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You could buy a dizzy cover, made for the rally cars. My cousin had one and ex Paddy Hopkirk car.

You used also to be able to buy a special file known as a magneto file, for the contacts. I had one that had belonged to my dad in the RAF, but it was stolen along with the rest of my toolkit in Nottingham years ago.
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Nearly everything that goes wrong with modern diesels is about bloody emissions - DPFs, DMFs, EGR Valves. Artificial emissions reductions done to pass the ever so dodgy CO2 tests.

Not just diesels though - BMWs recent petrols are prone to hissy fits. The diesels seem pretty solid.
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