Brits live abroad. OK. But what's your point?


Thats right, just reporting of the relative crime rates.


OK you support uncontrolled migration. Got it. I think you're wrong but there you go, that's why we vote

No, its about who makes our laws and runs our country

 

Think it's time to give UKIP a go.
Let's be honest it's all lies and deceit with the main three,always has been always will be.
Us,the British citizens are obviously not that important with the main three,
Our roads look more and more like they belong in war torn Bosnia,they don't care!
The banks caused economic meltdown and ordinary people like us suffer with losing homes,jobs ect,,the bankers(the real criminals) get multi-million pound pay days and they don't care!
Immigration needs sorting,capping and proper policing, every government has promised to sort immigration,they don't and they don't care!
Tax and vat on fuel!!!!!!! Daylight robbery and they are getting away with it!
The whole country is one big mess and maybe just maybe UKIP can change things!
David Cameron doesn't give a snot about us the "ordinary"people,he hasn't a clue about how we are really struggling,,,why should he care,,he earns 3.5k per month just on renting his pad out while he occupys no 10!!
This country needs change and fast!!!

 

'Europe' not top? It doesn't even figure!
Only "6% mentioned it as amongst the most important issues facing the country".

YOU introduced "uncontrolled immigration" in this thread.

I said the UK doesn't have uncontrolled immigration.

Now you want me to argue in favour of "uncontrolled immigration"!

The IPSOS MORI poll showed 22% of those polled thought 'immigration' was the most important issue...
UKIP look like picking up around 23% of the local election vote.

So, is this anti-EU thing really all about immigration?
What's the 'proper debate on immigration' got to say that hasn't been said before?

 

You're sounding more and more desperate.

I have never, on any day since 1973, woken up on any morning and thought "I really want to do that but the EEC/EU won't let me".

But I work in an industry where this year 20% of practitioners have been regulated out of business by UK regulation made London.

I work in a second line of business in which I'm under more regulatory pressure from local councils than Brussels could have ever dreamt up. In this line of business, it's been easier doing business in the EU than it has in Britain.

I don't have a beef with the EU.

What's the EU stopping you from doing? What laws do you want to change that the EU won't let you?

 

50million a day membership to expencive club where all the other members ignore the rules and take the p1ss out of us. if we want a 5million grant we have to find 5million of our own money, before they will give us 5million of our own money back, theres 2 massive reasons to get out, how many more would you like ?

 

I'm not disputing the poll findings, repeating yourself isn't adding anything


And I'll say you're living in a dream world to state that


Yes, OK. And?

Maybe a fraction more but yes, good wasn't it!


Asked and answered...

You mention work and what effect regs have had but don't mention what line of work it is. Could you share?

 

Its a long, long list but most recently in the news maybe, deport a hate preacher?

 

Yes thats also true. Question is, why? Could it be that the benefit traps that the welfare system has make it uneconomic to work? I certainly think so, hence I support this move to universal credit by the Tories. They haven't got it all wrong. Just hope the implementation goes ok. Its the right idea but will be critisied heavily if people go without cash due to system failures

 

I think Joey Jones from Sky was a bit sarcastic towards the "fruitloop" (ref: Cameron). BBC1 was ok towards him, though. Ah, well.

 

Well UKIP better watch out because "call me" Dave Cameron is going to

"try very hard"

To address the concerns of voters

 

EFA

The man is a prize tool

 

True. I note what Teresa May says this morning:-
"Mrs May told the BBC the party would learn lessons from the local elections and would work hard to bring back those voters who left the Conservatives and voted for UKIP.

Asked about the prospect of bringing forward the referendum, she said she believed the original timing was right, but added: "Now we [can] look at whether we can give some greater certainty in terms of the referendum but the whole question is [about] actually having a referendum on the basis of a renegotiated settlement... "

Yes she has clearly been listening to voters there! NOT!

 

I am sure that the top table at Downing St know very well that the public want a referendum ASAP and are pretty sure that there will be a resounding GET OUT response.

But they also feel that leaving the EU is not in the long term interests of Britain so they will delay as long as they can.

Cameron and his pals may well be right but they now have a UKIP gun to their heads.

dl

 

And hence arises the problem David. DC believes he knows better than the plebs and wont give us what they want. How is that representative democracy? Its not. If he believes its good for the UK to be in the EU, then lay out the case. Have you heard him do that? Me neither, because he also knows he'll get ripped to shreds. So its all a stalling tactic. How can anyone respect that?

 

This sounds like the Chewbacca defense!

In what way do we have 'controlled' immigration? Rather than dodge the question/ignoring the facts already stated, perhaps you could answer that, as it's a fairly pivotal reason for voting UKIP.

And as for business and EU regulation, their imposition of a financial transaction tax contrary to the interests of the UK will massively impact my workplace.

 

You're right about that of course taking democracy in its purest form. But can you imagine if us plebs actually decided on every aspect of policy? Hanging is the classic example - that would be straight back on the agenda. God help any paedophiles as they would be hanged and quartered as well. Minor criminals and low level druggies would be locked up for years, Etc, etc. Daily Mail profits would soar

In the circumstances I think the way we run democracy is just about right. A friendly oligarchy would be better but that's not on the cards of course.

dl

 

He does.

 

paediatricians would need to be careful too

 

Giving us plebs a say on such matters is in fact exactly how they do things in Switzerland, which isnt doing too bad....

Sorry but on something like how we are governed, who makes the rules etc, they is no argument against a referedum. We fought wars to answer the question of who rules us

 

OK I understand your take on this but I would argue that the British public haven't a clue about the complexities and the long term downsides of leaving the EU. They are a pretty thick bunch who do what the Daily Mail says with much disinformation fed in by groups such as UKIP.

Do it your way - have a referendum and we'll have to withdraw and the country will be poorer for it. Cameron is trying to change a few things in the relationship which I doubt Miliband would have the skills to achieve.

Ref Switzerland I would hazard a guess that the typical yodel blowing citizen is far more savvy than his British equivalent. In any event Switzerland has a host of agreements in place with the EU that it is virtually a member.

dl

 

Rgr33n

 

Slightly on the topic.

Did anyone see Rehman Chishti (Conservative MP from Gillingham) doing a clone performance on SKY newspapers review last night? Ridiculous. He should tie his hands to his back so that he doesn't move them about like Cameron and Clegg. He should also stick gaffer tape to his mouth so that he can't render a cloned speech to the media or to public.

 

no answer to this one then lmfao

 

William Hague says there is no need to change anything ..... and then lists three things the Tories must change..... you couldn't make it up!

 

How do you blow a yodel? Do you read the Daily Mail?

 

It's hilarious watching all the main parties getting their panties in a bunch as it has eventually dawned on them what is actually happening.

 

This is exactly like a situation at work a few years ago. Everyone hated where we worked. They were always talking of leaving. Then one day we were all offered voluntary redundancy. Hoorah, was the reply.

..........until one by one, they all looked at the alternative, and stayed. Three did leave, but guess what. After a few weeks they asked to come back.

Same with the EU. Lets have a referendum. When it comes down to it, i think the British people will vote to stay in.

..........and all over less than 1% of government spending.

(4.7bn net contribution out of 691bn 2011)

 

In your opinion. There is plenty of evidence (I would say overwhelming) to say we will be better off out, let alone the democratic accountability or lack of in the EU

This isn't an argument against referendums (in the UK), its an argument for better education.

It is true there are trading agreements, and things on free movement of people between them, however that is a completely different thing to being a member. They dont have the aquis commantaire, they don't have loss of sovereignty, they don't have loss of decision making powers and any changes go to referendum

 

Do not underestimate the desire of turkeys to vote for Christmas

 

That is technically true as far as it goes. However....

You quote a nett figure, with OUR money we get back we are told how to spend it whether we like that or not. The cost of all the regs outweighs the benefits gained by a large margin. We lose sovereignty and democratic accountability. We lose the ability to make our own laws and govern ourselves. Laws become a one size fits all approximation that are costly and unnecessary (eg landfill rules). We get hitched to the latest tax schemes (eg carbon credit and FTT) that penalise the UK. We are unable to send preachers back to Jordon (et al). Anyone in any numbers whatever their background can come and live here, overwhelming our public services.

Remind me why this is a good idea? Who's benefit is this club run for? Ours? I think not...