ericooper

Depends mate, its not full on gun battles but a secret war like easten terrorism, a lot goes on unpublished, a lot dnt make british news but a quick watch off UTV or bbc ulster news shows otherwise, plenty of bbc reports on google, plenty of ira properganda videos on you tube and supportive or anti British FB pages about too, shocked by some fb pages ive found, masked gun men as profile pics, bita research and its all there.

RA Dunk

Can't say I've ever seen any of the propeganda stuff online but then again I don't go looking for it either so I'm not likely too lol.

People need to chill the **** out TBH, it's getting old now, too old TBH.

Leslie

I have even seen children being made to perform Irish dancing in Washington DC with a collection being made for the struggle afterwards.

Les

wrx9181

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Boil away then buddy. I served three tours of duty in the Province during the 70s and 80s, had comrades killed and severely wounded by weapons provided in no small part by our American 'friends'. I'm not celebrating the Boston bombing, far from it, only noting the harsh irony. And if you hate our country and its history then that's your problem.

So do you love the fact innocents are killed as long as there not your comrades ???
I love my country but you can't slag the Americans when we do the same they've done all over the world even supplying the Taliban.
Maybe you misunderstood my stance

Matteeboy

While not a conspiracy theorist, there are some veeeery dodgy things about this bombing.

I doubt they will ever come out.

urban

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Spelling isn't really your thing

Hmmmmm - very active?
I'm not so sure I would say it's like that, and I listen to the N.I news every day.

The problem really lies with the older generation brain washing kids into 'believing' in some cause.

The sooner the government move to 'integrated' schools the better IMO.

There is a small minority that seem to want to keep the 'trouble'.
The vast majority of people do not want to have to contend with that shyte from the past ever again.

Yep I agree.

However, in spite of what I wrote above, I'm dreading marching season and what that might introduce.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

OK I'll bite. Such as..?

RA Dunk

The marching season tends to bring quite a lot of it on, fair enough the Prods won an important battle but do they need to shove it up the Taigs ***** every year by marching past their front doors? A bit like a red rag to a bull TBH.

On the other hand the Orangemen are well within their right to do so it is a free country after all. But the common sense factor is missing from it all, maybe if the Orangemen stood back and thought if we don't march past their doors they might not kick off and we might get left to have our march in peace does seem to be lost from it all.

The Trooper 1815

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+1.

Finding it difficult to suspect "the crop circle" brigade can get much out of this one.

The Trooper 1815

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The irony is that both sides of the rligious divide celebrate St Patricks Day, Northern Ireland winning at footy (once in a blue moon), Ireland winning at rugby (as per footy) but become selective when it comes to playing a flute and banging a drum.

The scary thing is it's almost the same in Glasgow with the sectarianism. Thankfully Rangers and Celtic are apart for a while.

And the terrorist/freedom fighter arguement comes up all the time. The Taliban were backed by the US against the old USSR, Nelson Mandela and the ANC attrocities, the French and the Viet Cong in the 50's, the Ireali's against the British in palestine in the 40's, the British in Malaya in the 60's, Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, the Kennedy's open backing of the IRA, who remembers Ollie North and Iran Gate?

The world is completely bonkers!

RA Dunk

Never a truer word spoken, it's mental!

I Didn't know the northern Irish (Prods) celebrated St Patrics day though, there's a fair bit of irony in there TBH.

urban

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You're right - common sense it thrown away.
I'm still not sure which side are worse, it keeps changing.
I'm prod, and I still don't see the point in the same stupid marching about every year.
You know that there is still a protest complaint every single fecking year on a road called Garvaghy road.
Someone from the prod side goes up said road, police say **** off basically, prod hand in a letter of complaint etc.
Nuts...................
Then there's the black men parades................

Dr Hu

OK genuine question here - why don't they just say 'No marches this year lad's - they've been done, all they do is string out yet more unrest and ill feeling - let's just leave it be, and all settle down...'

Or am I missing something bleedin obvious here?

RA Dunk

IIRC I think they tried that before or at least talked of it, the end result was the Orangemen rioting or fighting with the Army as it was against their rights or something. I 'think' that's what happened but I woulden't put my house or even my next wage against it..

Urban could enlighten us as he knows more than the rest of us put together.

urban

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There would be all kinds of hell to pay I'm afraid.
We have a parades commission(this was setup after the Drumcree issue) now who decide/control who gets to march and which route.
Lookup Drumcree conflict and you'll get an idea as to why banning them wouldn't be such a good idea.

They generally ban the contentious ones, but they can't win to be fair.
Its a case of being hated by one side or the other at the end of the day, but all marches must be submitted through them.

I can understand some of the stuff that goes on, in that the prods generally think that their heritage/rights are slowly being removed.
Then we have the situation with the union flag (you may hear the local yobbos call it union fleg, the stupid ******* that they are)
They think its their god given right for the union flag to be on all public buildings - why this is I honestly couldn't tell you.
The flag being removed from city hall is the prime example - many of the ignorant prods thought it flew over cityhall 365 24*7 - it didn't.
Now it only is flown on certain occasions - perfectly normal in my book
In truth I'd say its actually means that they're not simply getting it their own way all the time.

Ultimately though, one side is generally just as bad as the other come marching season.
Tis not a time of year I enjoy - I think my grand parents were in the orange order, not my parents, and nor I as I don't see the point.

Generally the 12th of July is just an excuse for many to go out, get pissed up and start a fight, or worse - a riot.

With these riots, personally if I were in charge, I would authorise the police to use live rounds and drop rioters where they stand.
You want to chuck stuff at the police, then then police want to chuck a bullet at you - seems fair enough to me anyway.
Its disgusting the amount of money this costs the local economy here.

urban

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Yep - that was called the Drumcree conflict, happened back in 1995 and they wrecked the place each year for 4 years sadly.
Over a ******* road (called Garvaghy road).
Now basically this road is a catholic area, but the prods couldn't understand why they weren't getting to march up this road - as it was their god given right to do so

JTaylor

The Trooper 1815

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Why?

JTaylor

It's wrong.

hodgy0_2

no it isn't

urban

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What is up with his statement.

JTaylor

Israel didn't exist until 1948; the insurgency was Jewish, not Israeli.

urban

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OK, fair enough.

CrisPDuk

Typical British expediency The British needed the arabs on side during the war, the easiest way was allowing them to give the Jews previously encouraged to settle in Palestine a kicking. After all, there was no danger of the Jews switching sides

Even after the war, we didn't even want to give the Jews a homeland, the Americans forced that issue.

CrisPDuk

The same thinking applied in NI, for years London looked the other way whilst the catholics were increasingly marginalised. We only sent the Army in to protect the catholics after the Yanks started making noises. That turned out well didn't it

JTaylor

Google Lehi and Avraham Stern. Turns out they weren't wanted, but there was intent amongst radical pockets of Jews.

The Trooper 1815

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I said 40's and who was the first nation to recognise Isreal as a state?

Yep, the good old US of A.

JTaylor

The insurgency ceased after Israel formed; at no point has there been 'Israelis against the British'.