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And what of the Union leader's Karma? Have you seen how these leaders of the 70/80's now live, like Scargils £60K pension, which is in contrast to the people they campainged for?
When you ply deeper into the leaders of various unions past and present including the idaelistic communist/left wing militants in the NUM and now look at how they live(d) now, its nothing short of hypocrisy.
An insight into Lord Gormley's reign at the NUM is a very interesting one. But even he as such a morally integral person (unlike Scargil which he resented), he didn't die a pauper (although he was born one), making fair use of the Union's mansions and being driven round in Jaguars, all paid for by the union members, which not to forget were operated on closed-shop principals.
(something Tebbit quite rightly outlawed).
When you ply deeper into the leaders of various unions past and present including the idaelistic communist/left wing militants in the NUM and now look at how they live(d) now, its nothing short of hypocrisy.
An insight into Lord Gormley's reign at the NUM is a very interesting one. But even he as such a morally integral person (unlike Scargil which he resented), he didn't die a pauper (although he was born one), making fair use of the Union's mansions and being driven round in Jaguars, all paid for by the union members, which not to forget were operated on closed-shop principals.
(something Tebbit quite rightly outlawed).
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Hey keyboard warrior, stop the abuse because you wouldn't call me that to my face, and you were bragging and taking the **** out of the working man, simple as that.
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Wasn't referring to the Union leaders, i was referring to the working man that was shafted and suffered the injustice, hell, i voted for Thatcher in 79 and every election thereafter, anything to keep Labour OUT. But that doesn't mean i don't recognise an injust situation when I witness one.
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Have you asked yourself why the working man suffered? Most that suffered whilst King Arthur was on his crusade just blindly followed out of some misplaced loyalty when he asked them to go out on strike in a heat wave and with record levels of coal at the pit head. My girlfriend at the time had a Notts miner as a dad and you can imagine what those encounters were like when he found out my old man was a copper on the same picket line. It was all so sad because he was convinced Arthur would save them and teach Maggie a lesson.
Agree the miners were merely pawns in the power struggle, so the badges were neither big nor clever, just disrespectful of the guys fighting for jobs.
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but it was a long time ago and at that time it was very adversarial. Put yourself in the place of a miner and then put yourself in the place of a copper AT THAT TIME it was madness with point scoring. Miners lost everything and coppers earned a lot of money but nobody at the start of a year long strike could possibly know how it was going to end.
She was too clever for him, conned him over the battle of Orgreave, and then legislated them out of the battle.
What she did mostly needed doing, but like most arrogant politicians, she didn't know when to stop.
What she did mostly needed doing, but like most arrogant politicians, she didn't know when to stop.
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I think you are about right there.
I think people tend to forget that this happened at the height of the cold war.
A militant union with a strangle hold on the economy run by a Commie who didn't like the elected government of the day. It was only ever going to go one way.
As for Maggie (with hindsight) - perhaps the American system of only allowing two terms of office would have best served all parties.
I think people tend to forget that this happened at the height of the cold war.
A militant union with a strangle hold on the economy run by a Commie who didn't like the elected government of the day. It was only ever going to go one way.
As for Maggie (with hindsight) - perhaps the American system of only allowing two terms of office would have best served all parties.
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Easier said than done, unfortunately Les.
Once you close a mine, it becomes extremely uneconomic to re-open it. I'm sure I've read somewhere that it would need the worth of the coal to be FIVE TIMES what it was in order to make it economically viable to reopen it, and even then, some will NEVER reopen as it's just too dangerous with present extraction techniques
We HAD coal to last 300 years.. much of it wasted by Maggie for ideology
Once you close a mine, it becomes extremely uneconomic to re-open it. I'm sure I've read somewhere that it would need the worth of the coal to be FIVE TIMES what it was in order to make it economically viable to reopen it, and even then, some will NEVER reopen as it's just too dangerous with present extraction techniques
We HAD coal to last 300 years.. much of it wasted by Maggie for ideology
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As for these figures of how much it would cost to re-open a mine - I wonder where these are coming from?
It's prob been said before. But if we take those who don't want to work and on benefits to work in the mines. Then providing they work in the mines they get to keep their benefits. The mines will be up and running and the cost of doing so has been absorbed by the benefits system.
The figures I had were from a book I studied from in the mid 70's.
Basically, they were saying that at that time, if it cost £1 to get a tonne of coal out of the ground, it would cost £2.50 if the mine had to be mothballed and then de-mothballed, and FIVE TIMES that to re-open a closed mine, which, they stated, would, in 90% of the cases be too dangerous to attempt, (Obviously with 1970's technology etc).
Which just might mean that Maggie WASTED our 300 years coal supplies for an ideological point...
Basically, they were saying that at that time, if it cost £1 to get a tonne of coal out of the ground, it would cost £2.50 if the mine had to be mothballed and then de-mothballed, and FIVE TIMES that to re-open a closed mine, which, they stated, would, in 90% of the cases be too dangerous to attempt, (Obviously with 1970's technology etc).
Which just might mean that Maggie WASTED our 300 years coal supplies for an ideological point...
It's prob been said before. But if we take those who don't want to work and on benefits to work in the mines. Then providing they work in the mines they get to keep their benefits. The mines will be up and running and the cost of doing so has been absorbed by the benefits system.
For a start, it would contravene present legislation on minimum wage, and for a second thing, minework is skilled and dangerous, you can't just send Joe Bloggs down to do the job. This is not the Victorian era, you know
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The figures I had were from a book I studied from in the mid 70's.
Basically, they were saying that at that time, if it cost £1 to get a tonne of coal out of the ground, it would cost £2.50 if the mine had to be mothballed and then de-mothballed, and FIVE TIMES that to re-open a closed mine, which, they stated, would, in 90% of the cases be too dangerous to attempt, (Obviously with 1970's technology etc).
Which just might mean that Maggie WASTED our 300 years coal supplies for an ideological point...
Basically, they were saying that at that time, if it cost £1 to get a tonne of coal out of the ground, it would cost £2.50 if the mine had to be mothballed and then de-mothballed, and FIVE TIMES that to re-open a closed mine, which, they stated, would, in 90% of the cases be too dangerous to attempt, (Obviously with 1970's technology etc).
Which just might mean that Maggie WASTED our 300 years coal supplies for an ideological point...
Well we still have our coal, the Cold War is over and Parliament prevails over the will of unions.
I'm a glass half full man on this one - I assume that you are not.
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