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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 02:42 PM
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Uh-oh! Blackouts imminent.

A few power cuts would focus the mind on accelerating the construction of new nuclear capacity.

Looks like EDF has the UK government over a barrel now.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 02:46 PM
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Surely there's an opportunity for the Government to come up with a new tax to stop this from happening, stop people from using too much electricity.....
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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This is what happens when you privatise essential services! Simple as that!
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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Hmm I'd better stop reporting all the failed street lights to the local council (seriously, I think its only me who bothers to do this )
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 02:55 PM
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Or to put it another way...
Energy boss says the government needs to give the energy industry more money.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 02:55 PM
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This is what happens when you privatise essential services! Simple as that!
and give them to the French!
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 03:10 PM
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Anyhoo, I doubt it come to this...we'll just buy more electric from overseas anyway.

Unless we max out the cable's capacities.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 03:27 PM
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So much for all those heavily subsidised solar panel installs
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 03:31 PM
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Trouble is, that ,even though everyone knows we need energy and therefore ways to make it, nobody wants the nuclear plant, wind farms (coastal or otherwise) or any other technology ,in their backyard. The do gooders dont want nuclear for obvious reasons . Wind farms arent pretty so what are the alternatives?. It was bad enough , in the 70's, with 3 day weeks and power cuts, but now we are even more dependant on electric and gas
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 03:43 PM
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Wouldn't a better option be to reduce our consumption, through massive Home Insulation schemes and appliance replacement, etc. Think of the jobs it would create too.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 04:25 PM
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With the devaluing of the Sterling, importing gas is only going to mean one thing for consumers. Forget wind farms and nuclear and they take decades to build, we should start extracting shale gas, this country is sitting a massive reserve, so let start fracking. Energy bills would be slashed too leaving more disposable income for Joe Public, we'd be less dependent on supplies from Europe and jobs and a new industry would be created.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kevo10
Trouble is, that ,even though everyone knows we need energy and therefore ways to make it, nobody wants the nuclear plant, wind farms (coastal or otherwise) or any other technology ,in their backyard. The do gooders dont want nuclear for obvious reasons . Wind farms arent pretty so what are the alternatives?. It was bad enough , in the 70's, with 3 day weeks and power cuts, but now we are even more dependant on electric and gas
That's what actually happens when you have a nationalised essential service!!

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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
That's what actually happens when you have a nationalised essential service!!
Exactly, but I'm sure F1 will think differently

Regarding the power cuts, it was the same 2-3 years ago when it was said the system was running at 100% capacity. Having access to NG's system I can catergorically tell you it was not. Most I saw was that it was running at about 86% and then only during the peak periods.

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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 06:57 PM
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Build a few coal fired to bridge the gap we have loads of coal so good security of supply and its cheap technology with no risk like nuclear invest in tidal research as that is the only reliable source of renewable for us with our climate and location


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Exactly, but I'm sure F1 will think differently

Regarding the power cuts, it was the same 2-3 years ago when it was said the system was running at 100% capacity. Having access to NG's system I can catergorically tell you it was not. Most I saw was that it was running at about 86% and then only during the peak periods.

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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 07:06 PM
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Too many people relying on a UK infastructure that's creaking under the strain from lack of investment.

Infastructure that cannot be maintained or improved because of the numbers on benefit that are not paying into the system, and apart from our home grown variety, more are arriving daily with no skills to gain employment so not passing go and going straight to 'community chest'.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:21 PM
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Of course, one of the problems with prices wouldn't be that the energy companies have to make a profit for their shareholders, would it?

And as for there being plenty of coal in the UK, not any more there isn't, or at least, not available, due to the nastiness of a PREVIOUS Tory government.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
This is what happens when you privatise essential services! Simple as that!
FAIL

Its to do with coal plants closing early because of the EU large combustion plant directives and "greenhouse gas emissions". For example http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...arch-2013.html

Ditch the greenie crap and there's no problem
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:32 PM
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Of course, one of the problems with prices wouldn't be that the energy companies have to make a profit for their shareholders, would it?

And as for there being plenty of coal in the UK, not any more there isn't, or at least, not available, due to the nastiness of a PREVIOUS Tory government.
Surely it is better to have a successful profitable company rather than being loss making and wasteful like they were before privatisation.

As for the coal industry, King Arthur has a lot to do with closing the mines as well as the government.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Of course, one of the problems with prices wouldn't be that the energy companies have to make a profit for their shareholders, would it?

And as for there being plenty of coal in the UK, not any more there isn't, or at least, not available, due to the nastiness of a PREVIOUS Tory government.
The UK coal industry's decline started long before the previous Tory government, check your history.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:09 PM
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Why haven't we started to prodice items that are 110v like the yanks!
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:39 PM
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Serious?
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 09:59 PM
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There is plenty of capacity at the moment but believe it or not, it's not worth running some of it at the moment, certainly not worth investing in new build!

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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip

As for the coal industry, King Arthur has a lot to do with closing the mines as well as the government.
I wonder what the old Commie is up to these days?
I'll wager he ain't short of a few bob.
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
I wonder what the old Commie is up to these days?
I'll wager he ain't short of a few bob.
Well he's certainly missing his Barbican flat in Central London, that he thought he would have for life, fully funded by the National Union of Miners.... They told him to **** off a few months ago!
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Surely it is better to have a successful profitable company rather than being loss making and wasteful like they were before privatisation.
Sure, but quite whay that profit needs to go to private investors is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Chip
s for the coal industry, King Arthur has a lot to do with closing the mines as well as the government.
Quite right, they were as bad as each other.

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The UK coal industry's decline started long before the previous Tory government, check your history.
I don't need to check my history, I lived through it all, and many years before.

What I DO know is that the spiteful bitch closed many mines that she said weren't profitable, which would now have been worth keeping open. She refused to have them mothballed, she insisted they close, and once you close a mine, its nigh on impossible to re-open it

The country is sitting on MILLIONS of tons of coal we now can't get at.

At the time of closure, we had estimated reserves for THREE HUNDRED years....what do we have now?

Cheers Maggie, you old cow,

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Originally Posted by RobsyUK
Why haven't we started to prodice items that are 110v like the yanks!
Good point as they would only use half the power
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Old Mar 22, 2013 | 08:02 AM
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Would rather have those windmills out at sea, than scattered all over the land.
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Old Mar 22, 2013 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Regarding the power cuts, it was the same 2-3 years ago when it was said the system was running at 100% capacity. Having access to NG's system I can categorically tell you it was not. Most I saw was that it was running at about 86% and then only during the peak periods.
Was that the grid or the generation capacity?

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... nobody wants the nuclear plant ... in their backyard.
Not true. Locals at Wylfa, Hinkley and Sellafield are strongly in favour of Nuclear New Build for the jobs it would create.

Originally Posted by kevo10
The do gooders don't want nuclear for obvious reasons ...
What are those obvious reasons?
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Old Mar 22, 2013 | 11:31 AM
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I heard on good authority yesterday, that by 2016 based on current and planned closure rates of power stations, we'll only be able to meet 80% of the demand for electricty generation. It confirms what people in the industy are saying, what the media are picking up on more and more but government just sticks a finger in each ear and goes la la la la la, I'm not listening, we must burn less coal......

But still, at least we'll be hitting the carbon targets that the idiot Millipede signed us up for. Great.

If Labour win the next election and then the power cuts start, I wonder if they'll blame the previous government? Phucking idiots the lot of them.
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Old Mar 22, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Good point as they would only use half the power
Doesn't work that way. It's down to the wattage used not voltage supplied. Plus 230-240volts is more efficient since you can use thinner wires to carry the electricity.
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