tubbytommy

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why??

there are thieving scum with no regard for the victims of there crime or who they hurt in the process.

f*** em i hope they died a horrible painful death.

The Zohan

TBH i feel for the emergency services who have no choice but to respond and deal with the aftermath. I feel sory for the family who had their car stolen in an aggravated burglary by the two scumbags, this family will no doubt have to come to terms with knowing burglars broke into their house, their home and took what they wanted!

The two scumbag chose to do what they did know it could end very badly.

f1_fan

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Sorry mate but I doubt it, I may have felt repulsed admittedly, but most people on here know my views on thieves.... I don't have any sympathy for them and that is being polite! For the car owner, the owners of the cars they hit, the emergency sevrices, even their families... yes, but not the thieves themselves!

AndyBaker

+1 couldn't have put it better, we all have a choice and they made theirs

Martin2005

That's pretty low and disgusting

You need help mate

markjmd

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I see parallels here with the whole Mark Duggan affair (recently in the news again, after the low-life who supplied him the gun that ultimately cost him his life was convicted of that offence). There are still some who say he was 'extra-judicially executed' by the police, because supposedly he might not have actually taken aim at the CO19s before they shot him full of holes. My take on that - 'live by the sword, die by the sword'. He was clearly happy enough to walk the streets of London packing a pistola, thereby putting the lives of innocent members of the public potentially at risk, so it's a bit much to dictate how far out of their way the cops should have to go to make sure he didn't come to any harm when they tried to arrest him.

To say he deserved to die would be going a bit far, but it's undeniable that he brought it on himself by his own selfishness and stupidity.

J4CKO

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Dying in a burning car is a pretty harsh sentence, however people who have done nothing wrong die every day, my boss lost his son to cancer when he was 12 and there isnt enough sympathy to go round, people being blown up in the middle east when going about their business so two people who take another persons vehicle and drive it with such disregard for others safety dont come very high on my sympathy list, had they hit someone and paralysed or killed them they would have tried to get away had they been able, so, no, very limited sympathy, mainly for their families.

Suspect this wasnt their first crime and as has been said, they dont need keeping and wont be making anyone elses life a misery.

Martin2005

They don't come too far up on my 'sympathy list' either, but I'll damned if I'm going to enjoy their terrible demise

Some people on here sound like they actually get off on this

J4CKO

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Martin, I think there is an element of that but how many of us have been victims of crime where nobody ever is brought to justice, normally this would just be another nice car stolen and ruined, the criminals get away whooping like excitable baboons, the owner out of pockets, scared to get a performance car again, his wife and kids probably terrified, so when some get some come-uppence there is an opportunity to revell in it "We got one" and I can totally see that but I cant get really enthusiastic about someone being burned to death, shame they got to that point but mainly I am glad they didnt kill someone else.

rossyboy

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There are probably hundreds of future victims of their crimes that have now been spared.

Zero sympathy. It's not right to revell in it, but how anybody could feel sorry for them in any way is beyond me.

mrmadcap

Personally I would have thrown a couple of logs on to keep the flames crackling along nicely.

unfeasablylargegonads

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If it was their first crime then I agree it's very harsh. However if they were repeat offenders then they they got what they deserve.

dazdavies

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Martin, serious question here.

Have you ever been a victim of a serious crime such as this?

It's not the posessions that matter its the fact that these scumbags have invaded your house a place where you feel most safe in this world. To have that peace of mind taken away from you and to live in fear for the rest of your life is a legacy these bast4rds leave with people.

I don't "get off" on the fact they are dead but I am glad that there are two less vile individuals like this on the planet. I stand by the fact that vile low life like these two deserved their fate.

I guess you've had a somewhat sheltered life with your simplistic views. That's not meant to be an insult btw and apologies if you percieve it as one.

Its just I've seen the worst humanity has to offer and I wish I could rid the earth of the type of people that do these things.

f1_fan

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Sorry to laugh but the image of you doing that has just popped into my head

Martin2005

So if I was a victim of a crime like this I'd suddenly want people to burn to death? I think that is just a fukin fantasy mate, I'd NEVER EVER want this; let make make myself clear again , NEVER EVER. Quite frankly you are sick in the head of even thinking it.

Plus I don't think that it's fair to describe not wanting people to die in an appalling fireball 'simplistic'. I would personally describe a lot of the opinions on this disgusting thread as 'simplistic'.

Obviously what is simplistic is applying basic stereotypes without thought or fact to justify an unjustifiable position.

Also I hate the way you make the mistake of thinking I care about car thieves just because I don't share your moral cesspool . What I care about is what it says about society, YOU and and others on here. Why would you rejoice in such an ugly situation? People keep going on about the moral decay, most of the views on this thread are proof positive of that decay, which is ridiculously ironic, as those who most descry our society are the ones most wanting to dance these individuals graves. I think they are damned by their own words.

There is also a question about where do you draw the line? I mean where does 'they deserve to die' begin and end? With car theft, with speeding, with drink driving, with putting on make-up whilst driving?....there's a continuum that none of you would likely acknowledge.


Ultimately IT'S ONLY A BLOODY CAR. We know absolutely nothing about the individuals involved (although you seem to be pretty clear in your own mind, regardless), I think YOU need a pretty simplistic outlook think that anyone deserves to die for stealing a friggin piece of metal.

Martin2005

Thing is I agree with nearly all of this, really I do.

I just cannot get my head around being pleased that people died in this way

f1_fan

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Martin, the answer to your question is pretty simple.

We live in a sh1thole of a country (compared to where it was 30 years ago) run by lying scheming politicians whose tax system is bleeding anyone who works hard dry to pay for the welfare state and a woefully wasteful public sector.

Having got through all that and put a roof over our heads and food on the table we seek one crumb of enjoyment by buying a nice car and looking after it and enjoying it.

Then some piece of lowlife **** comes along and steals it having never done an honest day's work in his life existing up until now on benefits paid from our taxes and money stolen from honest hardworking folk.

Well forgive me but if I don't shed a tear when that piece of human scum dies as a result of his actions.

To you it may only be a BLOODY car, but to me as the guy who worked hard to buy it and look after it is a lot more than that!!

Moz_Rb5

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What he said

RA Dunk

I'm with F1 on this 100%.

Lydia72

It's not just a 'bloody car' they are stealing though.
Do you remember posting the same opinion on a very similar thread a couple of years ago? I do.
On that thread I mentioned that my house had been broken into and two cars stolen, that I had been woken up by two policemen coming into my bedroom.
That was over six years ago and I don't think I've had one nights sleep since where I haven't woken up at the slightest noise (this morning it was 5am).
The people who came into my house and helped themselves to my belongings didn't just steal a 'bloody car' they stole my peace of mind and I'll never get that back. WTF did I do to deserve that?

I wouldn't wish a nasty death on car thieves but neither would I feel any sort of sadness for them. Like someone else said I'll reserve sympathy for the emergency services who have to deal with the mess.

Martin2005

I think you misunderstand my point. I'm not suggesting that the crime isn't serious or have terrible consequences for the victims, not for one moment. The 'bloody car' line was meant to try and get some perspective

BTW we agree, as I wouldn't wish them a nasty death either. It's hard to feel anything for them, as we don't actually know anything about them.
If we did maybe our views could be different, (one way or the other)

Martin2005

quelle surprise

Dr Hu

Martin2005 - you said sarcastically in the gay marriage thread that you wished it was 1955 again (as in you thought the country was going backwards)

I damn well *DO* wish it was 1955 again - the morals & society in the last 30/40 years have seriously slipped, mostly at the fault of namby pamby do-gooders and weak leaders.

People just want some balance back in their society, as it seems to have tipped the wrong way towards the offender always being in the right (poor 'ickle lamb he was just misunderstood!)

jonc

Martin, why don't you just take it for what it is. I think we all agree that these criminals deserve little sympathy if any and this simply being poetic justice in action, it's just that some on here have different ways of expressing this!

Martin2005

I don't doubt this at all. Although all was not exactly wonderful in the 50's

I do worry that some of the views on this subject are actually part of the problem, rather than any kind of solution

jonc

Really? It's ironic that you back to past in order to move forward, all the "oldies" always look on the past as a golden era. Sure morals and society has changed, but for me it's for the better. I'm a child of the 70's and I am glad my children aren't growing up in an era that I had to contend with.

dazdavies

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Quite frankly sunshine you need to take your head out of your narrow minded ****.
Its not just about the car you small minded pillock.

Its the devastation arseholes like these two cause.

People that steal cars, break into houses generally dont give a f*ck about the stress they cause for their victims. Let me assure you ive seen the effect this has on people first hand, it destroys lives and leaves people petrified of being in their own homes. No one should have to go through that because of some ******.

Im sorry but people like the two dead ar5eholes are vermin and should be treated as such. The world would be such a better place.

zippy!

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+1

Martin2005

As mentioned by Lydia said, we had a thread like this a few years back.

Basically 4 teenagers burnt to death in a car they stole.

That thread will live long in my memory for it utter lack of any kind of humanity, and its genuine nastiness. I think the fact that the 4 children that died were Asian just made it even more of a laugh for some people on here. The whole thread just became a race to the bottom.

So whilst I agree if this was just about lacking sympathy then there'd be nothing to debate, there are some seriously unwell people on here (ironically some who constantly go on about social decay), who are/were allowed to post up the most appalling nasty stuff unchecked.

Martin2005

You are suffering from a complete inability to comprehend my words.

I can't help that