I always considered marriage to be a religious ceremony and to be between an man and a woman.

The Church and government are separate and i do not think the government should have any say over changing the rules.

No problem with gay couples having the same rights as married couples.

It is up to the Church of England to sort this one out itself!

 

My wife and I had a complete non-religious civil service; are you trying to tell me that we're not actually married???

 

No at all, as i said (if you bothered to read properly) was that marriage is a religious service and between a man and a woman.


I take it your wife is really a woman? no obvious adam's apple and she doesn't pee standing up, and, the real clincher - a lack of willie?

 

I look forward to coming home from work just to see what's been posted on this, most of it outstanding some a bit mad and F1 you really are getting quite upset about this. I have no particular view on gays, know many both male and female and I can tell you one thing, they wouldn't be getting half as eaten up about the whole thing as you seem to be, alright you are leaping to their defence but 100 plus posts - flipping eck. Andy

 

You're all benders, now **** off my forum with all this gayer talk

 

Thanks for your concern, but how much I choose to post is really my business not yours. I don't tell you how often to post do I now?

Yes I do feel strongly about the way certain sections of society are persecuted without any real justification and I will argue the point with those who are happy to call people out for no valid reason until they provide one or disappear.

However I am not upset, the stupid don't upset me

 

Respond to sambobs post , he's posted some valid points in a grown up manner
Isn't that what you requested ?

 

He's reposted whole reams from his favourite new party.

 

1) It's been posted by him earlier in the thread (the exact same text and links) along with a myriad of other pages from his favourite website and has been debated.

2) It's tehnically spam

3) If you read his last post he says this at the start:

He doesn't want any more debate from me or a few others as it doesn't suit his agenda! Anyway it's been discussed already as have most things on this thread.

No one has yet given a logical answer as to why they are anti-gay.

Unless someone can do that this thread is done really!

 

I think plenty of people have put up quite reasonable posts on why they disagree but you seem to be almost a one man crusade.

 

Where?

OK then given all the reasoable arguments you have seen on here you will have no porblem answering this.

Why should anyone be anti gay when it doesn't harm anyone and doesn't affect them in any way?

I'm all ears!

 

Simple, they shouldn't but that doesn't mean that their view of marriage should be ignored.

 

Yes but the debate moved away from that when words like freaks, gayers, bumders, uphill gardners started being bandied about as well as people mentioning there being something 'wrong with them' etc. etc. Then we got on to the time honoured born gay vs turned gay debate and so on!

 

You will probably end up with 1000+ posts in that event, you will never end bigotry I'm desperately sad to say but hey I suppose its fun trying.

 

I did read it carefully, the fact that I misinterpreted what you actually meant was because you didn't read what YOUR OWN post properly and used the word 'and' rather than 'or' or 'and/or'


The last thing this thread needed was more juvenile comments

 

Pmsl , the best fun is see how long you can get f1 to post for
Entertained me for a whole weekend , and he's still going
What a turnip lol

 

Yeah you can make all the smart **** comments you like, but this thread has shown you up for what you are ... a bigoted half wit!

 

Lol , you fool , the truth is dont believe everything you read
It's purely for entertainment purposes
And you have certainly done that

Btw just to end , mrs lad is gay and he's sound , he was round our house last week ( gave me a nice prezzie actually )

I helped him furnish and his partners first flat ( you know sofa , pots pans bits and bobs )

Pmsl bye

 

Until such time as they all become invisible and mute, it is unlikely that they will not affect anyone in any way.
I don't have a problem accepting that some individuals are homosexuals, that much is in isolation of no great consequence to me. But however much you argue that it is, the reality is that it is not normal. Were these relationships purely cerebral then I might begin to understand, but generally they are not and that is where most (at least 3 to 2 in this vote, but many of the 2's will be effectively abstentions) people don't approve or are even disgusted by it.
To accept something is not necessarily to approve of it. I can accept it (although admittedly prefer it didn't happen) but I most certainly do not wish it to be promoted in any way. This does not however mean I want to persecute homosexuals. My preference (if we accept they exist and will continue to do so) is that they just keep their heads down, and behave themselves (as plenty do, F1).
The camp, exhibitionist nonsense we get from some gays is totally unnecessary, and why would anyone think this wouldn't rub a lot of people up the wrong way, and at the same time have the unfortunate effect of alienating many people from homosexuals in general.
F1, you actually made a good post earlier, the one about your friend who nearly lost his career because of prejudice at work. In that situation, in principle being gay would have no impact (in any major way) on the way I would treat your friend. If, apart from the fact that you know someone to be gay, they behave no differently to others who are not then so what? Whether he is a good worker or not would matter more to me.
But if he is camp, exhibitionist, or overtly suggestive then the rules change.
My objection to gay marriage is firstly that it promotes what I see as undesirable behaviour and at the same time undermines the traditional family unit. And it is in any event totally unnecessary as all the legal rights are available in a civil partnership, which I support.

 

F1- this thread is about gay marriage, not about gays.

gays can get all the same rights from a civil partnership, so why should marriage be redefined?

what will gays gain from getting married over a civil partnership?

my nephew is gay and he said he wouldn't want to get married, but he'd be happy in a civil partnership. so if some gays don't want the laws changing, why are there so many straight people fighting for it?

 

Yayyy, another Homophobe, apparently I'm one as well.

So is a Homophobe just a posh name for a normal straight person then.

 

Oh the old "I didn't mean it, I was just joking ploy". That's truly desperate

 

Post 643 for the start of your post and for the latter question ask Cameron not me?

 

Oh dear , well you'll see , because unlike you I tend not to just sit behind a keyboard trying to win little battles and taking posts as gospel
And one of the chaps who's posted on this thread ( he knows who he is is gonna pop round
Or meet up chat scoobys and no doubt maybe meet the mrs if she's kicking about
And then it will all become very clear who the desperate one is

The guy who takes the Internet & forums with a pinch of salt

Or the guy that thinks he's on a one man crusade to help the gay community from behind his keyboard

Can't wait to show how you have been well and truly sucked in and used solely for my entertainment lol

 

That is a huge leap across various judgements there and I could be all night picking them apart so I will focus on this:

They are offended by it? Oh dear anyone would think it was being made compulsory

Well as posted earlier Stephen Fry has a good speech about those whio get offended. Here it is again

Good point in my opinion!

What do you mean by promoted? I certainly don't see why it should be hidden away, but that is not the same as promoting it!

Why do you wish it didn't happen btw? It's not going to happen to you so why wish it didn't go on between others... why do you want to dictate to them what they can and can't do?

This is the same argument we have with Muslims... only a minority of them are extremists yet it all too easily becomes the whole lot tarred with the same brush. Same with the overly camp minority of homosexual men.

He wasn't a camp ehibitionist no! He was and is very good at his job! He didn't even reveal he was gay.... he was spotted by a work colleague leaving Canal St in Manchester(Manchester's gay clubbing/bar area for those that don't know) with another guy and he was confronted about it at work... from then on his life was hell!

Why is it undesirable behaviour though? This is the bit I am having the biggest issue with. People keep saying it's not normal and they don't like it and it's undesirable etc.... yet no one is forcing them to do it.... what is the issue here seeing as they don't have to see it or do it themselves?

 

LOL and that makes me the sad one???

 

Well your forever the doubter , and by all accounts think your pretty smart , yet
spent a whole weekend answering to the biggest load of nonsense I've posted ( well amongst the biggest)
And you still carry on

What a fool , lol

 

What? Have you deleted your mapping threads?

 

Glasses time again , I did put ( amongst the biggest )
To cover for the fact you are so predictable that you would reply with that old chestnut

Oh noticed how you omitted that bit , good at that eh

 

It's become an old chestnut through no one's fault but your own. You did come on here as the big "I am" and post all that crap against the mappers then when it came to the real test you couldn't deliver!