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Old 10 February 2013, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by toneh
And why didn't you pick up that the term bumders was used in the poll title before I said it ?
So I guess it covers both male and female omo,s
( can't be bothered to type the full word , it's gay anyway )
So consider yourself enlightened

Lost your reading glasses again I suppose , your gonna have to get a strap on
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Them glasses
Did you read the bit about being childish??? That was aimed at you btw

So your attitude is because it is used elsewhere it is fine for you to use it. You are a cretin if that is how you rationalise the use of stupid childish and insulting terms.

Now let's get this topic back on track

In reference to your assertion that gay marriage is a joke due to the number of partners some homosexuals have had I said many heterosexuals have plenty of different partners and others get married, why should it not be so for homosexuals?

Your answer please?
Old 10 February 2013, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Did you read the bit about being childish??? That was aimed at you btw

So your attitude is because it is used elsewhere it is fine for you to use it. You are a cretin if that is how you rationalise the use of stupid childish and insulting terms.

Now let's get this topic back on track

In reference to your assertion that gay marriage is a joke due to the number of partners some homosexuals have had I said many heterosexuals have plenty of different partners and others get married, why should it not be so for homosexuals?

Your answer please?
Answer :

Because statistically hetro couples have less tendencies for infidelity and statistacally less promiscuous

Most gay marriages will be a pantomime and another opportunity to be centre of attention
Old 10 February 2013, 03:23 PM
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Is this what you would like to see ?


You may kiss the bride/groom/freak , whatever
Old 10 February 2013, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by toneh
Answer :

Because statistically hetro couples have less tendencies for infidelity and statistacally less promiscuous
Oh I see. So what are your acceptable average levels of infidelity and promiscuity that a group of people must attain before you will allow them to get married? Maybe you could express that as an average number of sexual partners per person across the group and the average number of sexual partners whilst in a commited relationship. Cheers

Originally Posted by toneh
Most gay marriages will be a pantomime and another opportunity to be centre of attention
1) That is just your opinion.

2) Even if it were true so what? I ask again in what way does any of this harm you?

Why do you want to dictate how other people live their lives, what gives you the right?
Old 10 February 2013, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by toneh
Is this what you would like to see ?


You may kiss the bride/groom/freak , whatever
So you didn't read the bit about being childish then?
Old 10 February 2013, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Oh I see. So what are your acceptable average levels of infidelity and promiscuity that a group of people must attain before you will allow them to get married? Maybe you could express that as an average number of sexual partners per person across the group and the average number of sexual partners whilst in a commited relationship. Cheers



1) That is just your opinion.

2) Even if it were true so what? I ask again in what way does any of this harm you?

Why do you want to dictate how other people live their lives, what gives you the right?
Answer to (1)
Correct it is my opinion
2) regards harm , and dictate , you are very very mistaken if you think , younger generations are not influenced by being taught that homosexuality is acceptable and place in an environment were homosexuality is open and accepted
It does
And as said earlier why should kids be taught that its normal for men to kiss men and women /women
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
So you didn't read the bit about being childish then?
Chill out FFS , I thought you would like it ,, it's tongue in cheek
Old 10 February 2013, 03:47 PM
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Why not? By the way what are your views on teaching creationism at schools, less or more of a problem?
Old 10 February 2013, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by toneh
Answer to (1)
Correct it is my opinion
2) regards harm , and dictate , you are very very mistaken if you think , younger generations are not influenced by being taught that homosexuality is acceptable and place in an environment were homosexuality is open and accepted
It does
Prove it. I don't think it does. Maybe they won't grow up with the idea 'I just don't like it... it's wrong' That's a good thing in my book, how about yours?

Originally Posted by toneh
And as said earlier why should kids be taught that its normal for men to kiss men and women /women
Why shouldn't they?

You keep trotting these things out, but you are not offering any evidence for you opinions. These are not arguments you are maiking, they are just your opinions stated as facts. You can see the difference yes?
Old 10 February 2013, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Prove it. I don't think it does. Maybe they won't grow up with the idea 'I just don't like it... it's wrong' That's a good thing in my book, how about yours?



Why shouldn't they?

You keep trotting these things out, but you are not offering any evidence for you opinions. These are not arguments you are maiking, they are just your opinions stated as facts. You can see the difference yes?
Ok let's get serious and I swear on my kids lives all this is the truth

My ex ( female ) boss has two daughters
The eldest was living with another women , she was showing me pics of her daughter and daughters partner on that face book tripe
And me being me said you wouldn't thing she's a lesbian
Her response was " she's not " she said Gary ( the girls dad ) calls her a lipstick lesbian and it's all show , by this time I'm thinking wtf
Now fast forward a year or so and boss is talking about her eldest getting engaged and setting a wedding date , I automatically assumed to the other girl
Nope a guy , I said thought she was gay " nah it's ok for a bit of fun but not serious " was the reply

Fast forward another year or so
Boss walks in we start chatting and then she says ," oh I did laugh last night " Gary shouted " we've got another one " she said what do you mean " **** has decided she wants to be a lesbian " I said what did you say " I laughed and said she will grow out of it " and what do you know , the last time I spoke she was moving in with her boyfriend of a couple of years

Now believe all this or not , like I always say on here I only say what I see and this is exactly what happend
So as for you're thoughts that youngsters are not influenced ( your wrong )
As for being born to be gay ( you're wrong )

Now I've given you some of my evidence ,
May I ask you to why you think you are born gay or its not a fad or fashion for some homosexuals and provide an example please ?
Old 10 February 2013, 04:18 PM
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I blame Channel4.
Old 10 February 2013, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by toneh
Is this what you would like to see ?


You may kiss the bride/groom/freak , whatever

Them flowers look a bit worse for wear....
Old 10 February 2013, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by toneh
Ok let's get serious and I swear on my kids lives all this is the truth

My ex ( female ) boss has two daughters
The eldest was living with another women , she was showing me pics of her daughter and daughters partner on that face book tripe
And me being me said you wouldn't thing she's a lesbian
Her response was " she's not " she said Gary ( the girls dad ) calls her a lipstick lesbian and it's all show , by this time I'm thinking wtf
Now fast forward a year or so and boss is talking about her eldest getting engaged and setting a wedding date , I automatically assumed to the other girl
Nope a guy , I said thought she was gay " nah it's ok for a bit of fun but not serious " was the reply

Fast forward another year or so
Boss walks in we start chatting and then she says ," oh I did laugh last night " Gary shouted " we've got another one " she said what do you mean " **** has decided she wants to be a lesbian " I said what did you say " I laughed and said she will grow out of it " and what do you know , the last time I spoke she was moving in with her boyfriend of a couple of years

Now believe all this or not , like I always say on here I only say what I see and this is exactly what happend
So as for you're thoughts that youngsters are not influenced ( your wrong )
As for being born to be gay ( you're wrong )

Now I've given you some of my evidence ,
May I ask you to why you think you are born gay or its not a fad or fashion for some homosexuals and provide an example please ?
Shock horror, two young girls can't work out what their sexuality is straight away and dabble in homosexuality before fnding out they are straight. It's not really news is it?

You talk about gay and straight like it's black and white... it isn't. Many people have tendencies to both some stronger than others. Bisexuality in people stems from the strength of these feelings.

Look at people like Bowie... took him years to work out he was actually bisexual.

It's not a matter of waking up one morning and saying OK I am going to be gay, it's a matter of working out what you are and given the prejudice in society it's very hard for some people to accept what they are.

You cannot become gay, buit you can realise over time that you are gay (depsite society for the main part telling you you shoudln't be). If you think otherwise you are wrong and you can ask any number of homosexual or bisexual people about it... you will get the same answer every time!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Shock horror, two young girls can't work out what their sexuality is straight away and dabble in homosexuality before fnding out they are straight. It's not really news is it?

You talk about gay and straight like it's black and white... it isn't. Many people have tendencies to both some stronger than others. Bisexuality in people stems from the strength of these feelings.

Look at people like Bowie... took him years to work out he was actually bisexual.

It's not a matter of waking up one morning and saying OK I am going to be gay, it's a matter of working out what you are and given the prejudice in society it's very hard for some people to accept what they are.

You cannot become gay, buit you can realise over time that you are gay (depsite society for the main part telling you you shoudln't be). If you think otherwise you are wrong and you can ask any number of homosexual or bisexual people about it... you will get the same answer every time!
You don't actually become gay its a decision some have to arrive at , like I've said I've had various discussions on homosexuality with mrs son
And he was in the same boat
And you're saying that the fact homosexuality is open and is not behind closed doors that it will not influence the younger generation , of course it can and does
It's so obvious
Like I've said do you have any personal experience family/ close friends
Or have you just a copy of ziggy stardust

Oh and btw it isn't two girls just finding out their sexuality , it's one girl having a bit of fun and the younger copying her elder sister , ( their mothers words not mine )

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Originally Posted by toneh
You don't actually become gay
Correct, it's something you realise you are.

Originally Posted by toneh
its a decision some have to arrive at
No, it's something people realise... it's not a decision. You don't decide to be gay! You may decide to accpet you are gay.... that's a different thing entirely.

Originally Posted by toneh
like I've said I've had various discussions on homosexuality with mrs son
And he was in the same boat
Yes he eventually accepted he was gay. Good on him

It's a wonder with all this exposure to homsexuals though that you haven't gone a bit way that way yourself... after all it's a condition based on those around you according to you

Originally Posted by toneh
And you're saying that the fact homosexuality is open and is not behind closed doors that it will not influence the younger generation , of course it can and does
It's so obvious
It may help some people who are gay to accept it and come to terns with it rather than hioding it away and living a miserable life yes, but it is not and never could turn anyone gay

Originally Posted by toneh
Like I've said do you have any personal experience family/ close friends
Yes, have and have had a few gay friends and work collegues over the years.... never had any tendencies myself though... I must be imune to this conditioning thing.

Originally Posted by toneh
Or have you just a copy of ziggy stardust
Yes this too... best album ever recorded!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Correct, it's something you realise you are.



No, it's something people realise... it's not a decision. You don't decide to be gay! You may decide to accpet you are gay.... that's a different thing entirely.



Yes he eventually accepted he was gay. Good on him

It's a wonder with all this exposure to homsexuals though that you haven't gone a bit way that way yourself... after all it's a condition based on those around you according to you



It may help some people who are gay to accept it and come to terns with it rather than hioding it away and living a miserable life yes, but it is not and never could turn anyone gay




Yes, have and have had a few gay friends and work collegues over the years.... never had any tendencies myself though... I must be imune to this conditioning thing.



Yes this too... best album ever recorded!
Ok you're saying exposure to a gay environment does not turn you gay

Explain if this doesn't happen then why when people are put in a same sex environment they will turn turn to the same sex for love , relationship , sex
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To be honest, I'm not surprised to see the hypocrisy of some on this thread. Whilst they seem to be pro rights for homosexuality, they're also quite happy to use homosexuality in a derogatory way in this and past threads.
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Originally Posted by toneh
Explain if this doesn't happen then why when people are put in a same sex environment they will turn turn to the same sex for love , relationship , sex
Show me evidence that that happens.
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Originally Posted by jonc
To be honest, I'm not surprised to see the hypocrisy of some on this thread. Whilst they seem to be pro rights for homosexuality, they're also quite happy to use homosexuality in a derogatory way in this and past threads.
Wo are we talking about here?
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Show me evidence that that happens.
What ! You serious !

Prison for starters
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Originally Posted by toneh
What ! You serious !

Prison for starters
You are on a wind up yes?

So loads of prisoners emerge turned gay yes?

Priceless!!!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
You are on a wind up yes?

So loads of prisoners emerge turned gay yes?

Priceless!!!
Don't know about when they come out of prison , but certainly some participate in homosexual activity while in there
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Originally Posted by toneh
Don't know about when they come out of prison , but certainly some participate in homosexual activity while in there
Well leaving aside the whole notion that prison is full of men having sex with other men (possibly the movies have influenced your thiniking as to magnitide of this occurence here a little) that's kind of my point... they aren't turned gay by the experience!

This is becuase you can't become gay!
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Well leaving aside the whole notion that prison is full of men having sex with other men (possibly the movies have influenced your thiniking as to magnitide of this occurence here a little) that's kind of my point... they aren't turned gay by the experience!
Well it depends on your defenition of " turned gay "
If I was all of a sudden getting feelings of wanting to bum another bloke I think I'd say I've pretty much lost my straight status , be it once or a regular bumming session
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One thing I've noticed on this site is how folk try and twist things or add a little on

I never said prisons are FULL ( you said the word full , not me ) of people engaging in homosexual activity
I've said it happens in there

I actually said SOME !
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Originally Posted by toneh
Well it depends on your defenition of " turned gay "
If I was all of a sudden getting feelings of wanting to bum another bloke I think I'd say I've pretty much lost my straight status , be it once or a regular bumming session
I think in a prison environment things are a little bit different. Do a bit of reading on the stats, sex in prisons isn't particualrly prevalent and a lot of the time those indulging are homeosexual or are in there for a long term/life.... it would be fair to say they aren't approaching the situation from the same starting point as you.

What I mean by turned gay is there are very few occurences if any of inmates emerging from their sentence as homosexuals having been classed as straight before going inside. if there are any I would imagine they realised they were gay not straight whilst inside.... not that they have been turned!

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Oh thats interesting , I've about done with my 24 hr talk bummerthon now and the result is still the same , those that think bumders are ok to marry
And those that think its not

I'm out of here now , bye
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And another one bites the dust

Next
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
And another one bites the dust

Next
Pmsl , you odd little man , I'm bored , it's not a battle to win or lose it was a discussion about homosexuals

I'm disappointed you've just posted the last comment tbh
I thought you wasn't the usual s/net dik that thinks every discussion is life or death , win or lose

But hey you live and learn , and if it helps make your *** bigger , well done mate you've won ( what I don't know )
But anyway you've won

Bye
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Originally Posted by toneh
Pmsl , you odd little man , I'm bored , it's not a battle to win or lose it was a discussion about homosexuals

I'm disappointed you've just posted the last comment tbh
I thought you wasn't the usual s/net dik that thinks every discussion is life or death , win or lose

But hey you live and learn , and if it helps make your *** bigger , well done mate you've won ( what I don't know )
But anyway you've won

Bye
Like others on this thread you came making silly claims and were found wanting.

I happen to think looking down on a whole section of society and wanting something banned solely because you don't like it isn't trivial. It isn't just banter to me, it matters! If you can't grasp that then tough!

Enjoy your evening!


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