Increasing your ability to stop and control your car is a negative factor?

Please stop making yourself look foolish.

 

So pointing out a negative is foolish?

 

Seems like a perfectly reasonable statement to me.

Les

 

Thank you Les, someone that can actually understand my post.

 

at some of the comments on this thread..


Conti wintercontacts TS830

Nokian WR A3

 

So ABS is a bad idea as it allows most people to stop quicker than they could without it?

Motor manufacturers are spending millions on advanced auto braking systems to stop people driving into things, so that's a bad thing, as some one else might drive into the back of them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS3...ature=youtu.be


Please grow up and stop being silly.

 

Just because you can stop quickly doesn't mean you have to if you don't need to. If it's a choice between sliding into something in front of you (your fault) versus stopping short but having something run into the back of you (their fault) I know which I would choose.

 

It's a hard one this as some one that has spent over 20yrs running winter tyres on numerous vehicles from huge v8s to even mini coopers and 4 wheel drives at the end of the day it boils down to experience, I can understand where some of you are coming from on cost but the simple fact is a set of winter tyres will give you better grip n control than any type of summer tyre in the winter and that includes so called all year round gimmick tyres.

Studed is obviously my choice and I run them for nearly 6 mths each year, yes I have totally different road conditions than you guys but IF I was living in the uk of course I would invest in a decent set of friction tyres because of the years of experience I've had on winter roads, I'm defiantly no professional driver and its of course just my opinion.

 

Has anyone else noted that virtually all the abuse in this thread has come from the pro-Winter tyres faction?

Water off a duck's back for the most part, but the slatings I've been getting for statements I must have forgotten I have made about the superior performance of Summer tyres on ice and snow are frankly idiotic. I have made a point on numerous posts of stressing that I accept the superior performance of Winter tyres on snow and ice before questioning the need for Winter tyres in a cold and wet environment only.

I have no problem being pulled up for saying something stupid, but numbnut self-righteous sanctimonious responses from people who appear incapable of reading posts both literally and grammatically superior to the majority on here are tedious in the extreme.

Please insult me regarding something I have actually said, not something you want me to have said.

 

Have you read this thread? All the idiot drivers are the ones on the summer tyres saying there is no difference between winter tyres and summer tyres even when proper tests have been carried out in cold conditions, the summer tyre drivers have never run a car on winter tyres so really any BS they spew you may as well ignore because they have no idea of the advantages.
Most of us "winter pro faction" tyre owners see the advantages and understand that but the ignorant "pro summer but can drive in any conditions without issues" people totally avoid the argument saying we dont need them (yet I run them 5 months of the year on my subaru and you really do notice the difference in the colder conditions).

The main point of this thread was should it be made law, the outcome was no but the advantages are clear, only the ignorant disagree that they are any advantages in the colder part of the year so stick with running summer tyres.

All I will say is go and buy a decent set of winter tyres in summer when they are cheaper to buy, and like the rest of us converts you will understand what we are getting at
But ignorance is bliss for most so.....

Tony

 

I'll post this again, if you want to miss the first part out and see the advanages of winter tyres in cold conditions where there is no ice or snow, start at 3 mins.


Tony

 

Is there a Line of Latitude where those below this suddenly cease to be idiots if they don't use Winter tyres?

Perhaps 50 degrees North?

 

Well, our family barge will be ready for new 18" summer/performance rubber by the end of summer, so I took the plunge and bought some winter tyres. With compacted snow and ice on all the side roads around here, and another 4-6" due to fall overnight tonight, plus three weeks in The Lakes soon and the possibility that winter will have another couple of digs at us yet it made sense. So, the 18's are now in the cellar, and the 15" steelies are on with Uniroyal MS Plus 66 all fitted for about 200.

A quick test on a fairly steep side street with +2" of compacted snow/ice saw braking downhill from 30 give a very good stop with no ABS intervention. From 40 I got a slight ABS judder for a second or so, but still stopped well compared to the washing out and sliding on that the 225/35/18 summer tyres would have managed. Moving off up the hill would have seen me stranded, but the winters just bit in and moved away with no traction control needed at all. Cornering was very good too with only a slight plough on if pushing too much.

I'll leave them on until it looks like winter has given up, then get the last mil out of the summer tyres. I think I will get 2-3 years of winters out of these, hopefully keeping me and my family safe whilst reducing potential for disruption to everyday life.

 

I never mentioned that winter tyres were a bad thing, I never mentioned ABS was a bad thing.

You need to stop reading what isn't written and learn to read what is actually written and stop giving out insults.

 

No, but there are lot of degree's of ignorance even when spoon fed the advantages but still deny that there are any advantages in the cold over summer tyres.
Buy what you will but once purchased you will see a difference but do not deny that the advantage is just the M&S part, the advantage is much greater (as pointed out on all 13 pages so far).

PS did you watch that vid I posted? If so you can post what it said

 

I think I'll follow the AA's advice.

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice...in-the-uk.html

Nik

 

Well no slagging off, you pays your money and you makes your choice.

But we've just fitted winter tyres to my wifes Mini, she has a reasonable distance to travel at odd hours of the day and night, often before the gritters get around to doing their thing.

The roads where we live still havent been gritted and there's at least an inch or two of compacted snow. The difference in grip (including lateral) and braking performance is astounding and I will feel a little happier knowing she has tyres that will get her to work and home again in the cold weather.

But just a point whether you have winter tyres, summer tyres, or whatever surely its always worth leaving that bit more distance between you and the car in front in inclement weather.

 

How much for wheels and tyres?

 

Excellent review thanks

 

Earlier this week the money I spent on winter tyres justified itself...

I was driving to work on slushy urban road, keeping a good distance from the vehicle in front, I was probably doing 15-20 MPH.

A young child, looked to be 7 or 8 was walking to school without an adult accompanying him, He checked traffic in the opposite direction, before running across the road.

I slammed on the anchors and stopped before the child. If I was on summer tyres it may have been a different story, on a dry road with summer tyres this would not have been an issue.

 

That AA advice says pretty much exactly what I have been saying.

They are a tinpot operation run by a bunch of chancers.

 

Wheels were on the car when we got it, 15" steelies which we replaced with 18" alloys about 4 years back.

Tyres were from CAMSKILL at 48 and came to about 194, +12 delivery. Got these AND a set of Uniroyal Rainsports fitted to my Fabia at the same time for 30 quid cash in hand by a local back-street garage.

 

It makes sense this way. You've shown it is possible to get some Winter tyres that work on a budget and put them on some wheels that were no use to you anyway. Ideal, 200 notes, jobs a good 'un. And you had a good reason to get them as well.
But if you didn't have the spare wheels or the good reason then it just goes back to personal choice again, you don't need them but do you want them?

 

If I hadn't had the wheels, the decision would have rested on how much a set of second hand steelies would cost from a scrapper, and how much more bad weather we thought was coming.
I have steelies on my Fabia as it is used for driving tuition. The alloys were removed on the day I bought it and replaced with identical sized steelies from a Mk4 Golf for 20 quid each. The alloys now have track tyres on.
So, at 20 quid a wheel plus the tyre, still a bargain, especially when you consider two days lost at work would cost me more than the wheels, tyres and fitting combined. Three colleagues couldn't get in last Monday, and I abandoned the Fabia 1/2 mile from home that day.

 

Why are you so persistent on your opinion when:

1. tests and people who have tried both declare that winter tyres do provide more grip not only on snow and ice but wet and cold (average below 10C or so) conditions
2. you haven't tried winter tyres

They use them in Italy and France as they do have cold winters so surely most of Europe are idiots and only some Brits who have not tried them know it all?

FFS let's stop this discussion.

It is a FACT that winter tyres provide better grip in winter than summer tyres but that doesn't justify making the use of them enforceable by law unless there is snow/ice on the road.

 

Are you saying they are law in britanny, France?

 

I don't know about the law in France or Italy but in Germany if you get caught driving on summer tyres when there is snow/ice on the road you will get fined by the gestapo.

Also if you have an accident the insurance may try to prove that this was caused because you were using the wrong tyres.

 

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice...ter-tyres.html

 

Anyway
My son is in university in Liverpool and apparently its snowing heavily right now
So I hope you UK boys have your winter tyres on
If not, you're fcuked
Over here in N.I, its grand, no need for such expensive things
We just have a load of ********* complaining about a flag and blocking the roads

 

No - but you did say "If you have winter tyres on and brake successfully and the car behind doesn't and rear ends you, that makes a negative for having them fitted.". You are therefore claiming that the ability of winter tyres to stop quickly is a negative, and people are merely pointing out that you could say the same thing about ABS, which is clearly nonsense.

Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they are insulting or abusing you.