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07 January 2013, 10:56 PM
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what does a bricklayers talent for the written text have to do with his expertise in building walls or whatever - it could be since leaving school, hes had to write a specifically correct bit of text only a few times in life - so he may not get things spot on, (ill exclude especially bad spelling, grammar ect) which i too would use as a general marker of intellegance. but my conclusion wouldnt be drawn on that alone tbh - there would have to be other examples too back up any doubts i had before i dismissed him as a successful candidate.
despite them potentially having what some would consider poor levels of knowledge in this area, its still highly probable his expertese in building techniques and associated tasks could be absolutely amazing, therefore making him the man with the best skills for the job and most likely the man to produce work, effectively, and efficiently, therefore contributing to productivity and ultimately the profitability of the company., no?
07 January 2013, 10:56 PM
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Do you need a definition of "most", Spoon, to go with your next self-congratulatory laughy smiley? Most means not all, it means i get things wrong sometimes. Like idiosyncrasy. Didn't blame an iPad, didn't make excuses, held my hands up fair and square. Felt refreshing actually 
07 January 2013, 11:02 PM
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If you believe a word to be written a certain way, no matter how often you check it you will still believe it to be correct.
I couldn't care less who makes mistakes, but people in glass houses should not throw stones, I'm merely pointing out you also make mistakes.
Look how badly you have reacted to having criticism put your way.
I couldn't care less who makes mistakes, but people in glass houses should not throw stones, I'm merely pointing out you also make mistakes.
Look how badly you have reacted to having criticism put your way.
07 January 2013, 11:03 PM
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The problem is unless someone does pull you up on poor spelling or grammar then how do you know you're using it incorrectly?
For years I spelt definitely as definately, it was only after I read a thread on here explaining it that I realised my mistake. Also, I tended to always use it's instead of its, now I know the difference (and feel mortified it took so long to find out).
It doesn't help that I've lived in areas where the spoken word is often incorrect due to accent/ dialect. If you hear something pronounced a certain way for so long it's confusing to see it written down as something else. I'm just glad I never had to say 'hyperbole' out loud before catching on...
07 January 2013, 11:05 PM
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Do you need a definition of "most", Spoon, to go with your next self-congratulatory laughy smiley? Most means not all, it means i get things wrong sometimes. Like idiosyncrasy. Didn't blame an iPad, didn't make excuses, held my hands up fair and square. Felt refreshing actually
Your eventual confession is appreciated and will be saved on the Cloud and referred to whenever necessary.
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07 January 2013, 11:08 PM
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07 January 2013, 11:11 PM
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that b/s and your a knobber again F1
what does a bricklayers talent for the written text have to do with his expertise in building walls or whatever - it could be since leaving school, hes had to write a specifically correct bit of text only a few times in life - so he may not get things spot on, (ill exclude especially bad spelling, grammar ect) which i too would use as a general marker of intellegance. but my conclusion wouldnt be drawn on that alone tbh - there would have to be other examples too back up any doubts i had before i dismissed him as a successful candidate.
despite them potentially having what some would consider poor levels of knowledge in this area, its still highly probable his expertese in building techniques and associated tasks could be absolutely amazing, therefore making him the man with the best skills for the job and most likely the man to produce work, effectively, and efficiently, therefore contributing to productivity and ultimately the profitability of the company., no?
what does a bricklayers talent for the written text have to do with his expertise in building walls or whatever - it could be since leaving school, hes had to write a specifically correct bit of text only a few times in life - so he may not get things spot on, (ill exclude especially bad spelling, grammar ect) which i too would use as a general marker of intellegance. but my conclusion wouldnt be drawn on that alone tbh - there would have to be other examples too back up any doubts i had before i dismissed him as a successful candidate.
despite them potentially having what some would consider poor levels of knowledge in this area, its still highly probable his expertese in building techniques and associated tasks could be absolutely amazing, therefore making him the man with the best skills for the job and most likely the man to produce work, effectively, and efficiently, therefore contributing to productivity and ultimately the profitability of the company., no?
You maybe right that in the case of a bricklayer that is not really the right way to go about things, but I can't help myself
07 January 2013, 11:14 PM
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Jef, sorry need to get an early one but to be brief, my point would be that once you've properly understood the difference between there and their, or your and you're, it's almost impossible to get them wrong. Sometimes i wish i could totally disregard such errors, but i can't differentiate between a forum and any other media. Why should it matter where it's written? Learn it once, learn it for life. OTT? Me? Ah maybe just a teeny bit, sometimes
your = eg a possesion you own its yours??
that along the right lines or wildy out?
there and their? ones = over theres, a possession its theirs??
how far out?
to me im obviously not sure thats correct- may well be wrong.
our difference lies in opinion of importance of getting it right no matter where written, or your strength of feeling on making others (make an effort) as your prolem i beleive is linked to you beleiving most (but not all examples) are as a result of lazyness - this annoys you a touch as its seen as a lack of effort on my behalf - in this case. - thats my summary, lol.
ive more than once explained my reasons for my spelling, grammar ect - i stick to that as its the truth. the speed at which i can get the thought or idea from my head down to written text takes priority - ive been like that since a young child. its maybe excitment to get the thought down mixed with a fear ill forget half way through what my point was - which often happens btw lol.
and therefore i place more importance in getting down the information that i want to - and enableing other people to read it, over the importance of "how" i get that message down - as long as the point is understood.
07 January 2013, 11:24 PM
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Jef, 10 out 10 for persistence in trying to get your point across. You also do sound like a decent cove so it makes it harder to just dismiss you as lazy. However, reading your posts does make me want to eat bricks.
07 January 2013, 11:26 PM
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Mr.L72 is a clever bloke but he grew up hearing the words 'been' and 'being' as sounding the same and to this day he will interchange them when writing.
I'll always pause when reading epitome because my head tells me it is something else, likewise segue.
I'll always pause when reading epitome because my head tells me it is something else, likewise segue.
07 January 2013, 11:35 PM
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What I am saying is that if I had the choice of two bricklayers and one submitted a well written application and the other didn't I would look at the former first.
You maybe right that in the case of a bricklayer that is not really the right way to go about things, but I can't help myself
You maybe right that in the case of a bricklayer that is not really the right way to go about things, but I can't help myself
if there was a flaw in the 2nd persons work and i assessed his personality which left me with further doubts - the cumulative effect would be for me to chose the person with fewer apparant flaws or skills.
having said that SN is not a CV or a job application process - i fail to see the need to ensure written text is spot on, or indeed hold any opinion if its not. its funny i get (comically pulled) for there or their, yet i dont start sentences with capital letters, or place names, or anything else which should use a capital letter - its never been mentioned? or my incorrect use of commas goes unmentioned?
it seems to be just the odd point thats picked up on, i dont know if my use of -, :- ect is correct but still like to use it to break up my paragraphs or whatever.
and as we all make mistakes we would all constantly be going back amending posting, correcting errors there? would be so much less time discussing the topic in question - which is the important thing, i think anyway lol. (also omitted from persecution, is lol, pmsl, btw ect ect) how is that acceptable in internet posts?
08 January 2013, 12:22 AM
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i kid you not- i would never have known - maybe sometimes ignorence is bliss lol
markjmd - i read plenty - always have done. possibly skim read to speed up the process though lol, but ive read literally hundreds of books and genuinely my interests lie mainly in understanding basic quantum mechanics, the laws of nature, evolution, human behaviour or mechanical things - cosworth the search for power - turbo chargers, or engine management systems - about 0.1 % has been fiction - do you think that the typr of literature excludes a certain type of phrase ect, and so i miss out?
08 January 2013, 01:33 AM
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having said that SN is not a CV or a job application process - i fail to see the need to ensure written text is spot on, or indeed hold any opinion if its not. its funny i get (comically pulled) for there or their, yet i dont start sentences with capital letters, or place names, or anything else which should use a capital letter - its never been mentioned? or my incorrect use of commas goes unmentioned?
it seems to be just the odd point thats picked up on, i dont know if my use of -, :- ect is correct but still like to use it to break up my paragraphs or whatever.
it seems to be just the odd point thats picked up on, i dont know if my use of -, :- ect is correct but still like to use it to break up my paragraphs or whatever.
Honestly, that is meant in jest.
You seem like a decent bloke, and whilst you may not devote a huge amount of time to making sure your spelling/grammar is perfect on an internet forum, you can be clearly understood in terms of the points you want to make. You take the time to actually read posts and reply properly regardless of any mistakes. That is why I don't think your problem is laziness as some would think, (not aimed at anyone here, just a general comment) it is as you say, you are tapping away getting your point across and don't put as much importance on the finer details, just the main point. The fact you reply so thoroughly flies in the face of being lazy.
Personally, I would say I'm not great when it comes to spelling and grammar, but I do my best and I'm happy to keep learning as I go, but I'm not going to lose sleep if I make a mistake along the way. I try, and I think I can be understood most of the time, truthfully, most people would struggle understanding me more talking to me face to face
From my point of view, what is more important is what somebody is trying to say. If somebody can put forward their point and it is well thought out, that is worth more to me with mistakes, than ill thought out drivel in perfectly constructed sentences with perfect spelling.
08 January 2013, 01:42 PM
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Surely the hypothesis of the original post is incorrect. The 'Apostrophe Protection Society" should be actively encouraging the superfluous use of inappropriate apostrophes, hence encouraging diversity and greater numbers of apostrophes to ensure that they don't die out.
It should be the "Apostrophe (correct use of) Preservation Society".
It should be the "Apostrophe (correct use of) Preservation Society".
08 January 2013, 03:44 PM
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09 January 2013, 11:03 AM
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No, not you at all.
Just checking to see if my mysterious bete noire has made an appearance on this thread yet, strangely it seems they haven't.
And don't get me started on my frustration for not knowing how to create the circumflex accent over the first e 
09 January 2013, 11:07 AM
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Nor is it you. Again i'll repeat, i didn't get angry over anything, just frustrated that you think that correcting any typos after sending a post is somehow making an error. If i didn't do it, i reckon 25% of my posts would have some typo error or other. That's not the same as a genuine ****-up like my first attempt at idiosyncrasy, a word i'll never mis-spell again, ever. There's no irony in the situation. Anyway, onwards and upwards, we've probably all said all we need to now.
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09 January 2013, 02:56 PM
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On Windows?
If so you can use ALT codes - hold the ALT key down and on your numeric keypad enter the code then release the ALT key and voila
If so you can use ALT codes - hold the ALT key down and on your numeric keypad enter the code then release the ALT key and voila
Code:
Char ALT code à 0224 ç 0231 è 0232 é 0233 ê 0234 ë 0235 î 0238 ï 0239 ô 0244 ù 0249 û 0251 ü 0252 À 0192 Ç 0199 È 0200 É 0201 Ê 0202 Ë 0203 Î 0206 Ï 0207 Ö 0212 Ù 0217 Û 0219 Ü 0220
09 January 2013, 03:01 PM
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Thank you
I've only ever been able to do a é or á and that's the wrong way round for lots of words
Why can't they make them easier to remember?
I've only ever been able to do a é or á and that's the wrong way round for lots of words
Why can't they make them easier to remember?
09 January 2013, 03:36 PM
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i still remember alt156
gave you the £ sign -- when all we had were pesky US keyboards
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debug=g800:5 -- for a low level format of an ST506 drive/controller
gave you the £ sign -- when all we had were pesky US keyboards
and
debug=g800:5 -- for a low level format of an ST506 drive/controller
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09 January 2013, 04:24 PM
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Nor is it you. Again i'll repeat, i didn't get angry over anything, just frustrated that you think that correcting any typos after sending a post is somehow making an error. If i didn't do it, i reckon 25% of my posts would have some typo error or other. That's not the same as a genuine ****-up like my first attempt at idiosyncrasy, a word i'll never mis-spell again, ever. There's no irony in the situation. Anyway, onwards and upwards, we've probably all said all we need to now.