Matteeboy

Totally agree. Always amusing when someone dismisses an entire marque because of some random "fact" or opinion.

If you want a daily driver, reliable, compact (vital IMO), rapid car with a sorted chassis and don't need loads of storage and passenger space that is also fairly light, get a Porsche if you can afford it. Nothing else ticks so many boxes. If you can't or won't be able to afford one and have never driven one, then do the World a favour and STFU. ;-)

A mate has regular use of a GTR thanks to his company being massive Nissan fleet customers. I'm getting a drive in one soon and it'll be the latest model but even with it paid for, he says the costs are just insane. If you get one, budget for a new £12k gearbox at worryingly low miles...

marshall332bhp

As I have already stated if u read the posts properly. I didn't say they were all ****e but the lower range is over rated. Just because it has a Porsche badge on it doesn't means its an excellent car.

ScoobyDoo555

And all we've said is that unless you've owned one/lived with one, your comments are difficult to justify.

Plus you then state that the Turbo wasn't all "that" either. That pretty much covers the low and high end.......which nulls your argument IMO.......

But what's obvious is that you're not a Porsche fan. And that's fine each to their own

marshall332bhp

The performance didn't feel that impressive. I just think people have these cars up on pedestals thinking there something out of this world. Hence over rated. Maybe it's because of owning a relatively how powered car and all my friends owning high powered cars that it didn't feel impressive. I just feel for that kind of money it was a let down on quality. The RS4 he had before was a much nicer car all round in my eyes. Am hardly gona say that Porsches are ****. What am saying is ones we normal people can afford are not in the same league as the iconic cars we all look at and dream of its when people buy a Porsche and instantly think there driving a super car because of the badge on the bonnet just really annoys me!

marshall332bhp

Am not trying to come across as some arsehole here just having my 2p worth. Av said many times we all have different taste and thas great. Ur right am not a fan but if u are a fan great. Each to there own

Matteeboy

But cars like the 911 GT2, Turbo S and of course the Carrera GT ARE supercars!

They are revered because most of them are very good.

ScoobyDoo555

No worries - we'd be really boring if we all liked the same things

My issue is that that the standard "cooking" Porsche isn't rubbish by any stretch. 320bhp+ 2/4wd in a German quality car isn't something to be sniffed at. Granted, they don't have the 400/500bhp that the supercars do, but the standard 911 isn't badged as a supercar. It's badged as a sports car.

And as a sports car, ie taking into account handling, grip and feedback (stuff that only the driver experiences), its spectacular imho.

Again the turbo is more civilised than the GT2/3/rs etc, but is still an iconic supercar. And it is a very quick and capable car.

But I will concede that the normally aspirated Carreras are an acquired taste due to the lack of Turbo punch. But keep it in the rev range, and you'll be rewarded highly.

Dan

john banks

Over 20000 miles and 3 1/2 years the GTR hasn't cost me much. Under warranty it has had an audio unit (warranty extended to 5 years, known fault), tyre valve shrouds, squeaky anti-roll bar bushes and replacement belt tensioner. Total costs including depreciation/tax/insurance/fuel/servicing/tyres are only about £1k a month or £2 a mile. Many of the gearbox faults have aftermarket solutions that are many times cheaper than main dealers.

marshall332bhp

Ad give it the thumbs up but am on my phone haha so this is as good as

Daryl

I did read your post properly, you said:

"Don't get a Porsche. Over rated is an understatement."

If you think you can't get a decent Porsche for circa £30k, then you clearly don't know much about them (although I think that much is obvious).

Anyway, don't take it personally, I just get a bit fed-up when people make sweeping statements about things they have never owned!

marshall332bhp

How are they to live with day to day? Everyone wants these kinds if cars but don't think of living with them.

marshall332bhp

Am not taking it to heart. Well that 996 turbo went for 19k 5 weeks back. And was a very very clean car for its age. So yeah u can get a decent Porsche for around 30k. There is a white GT3 on the trader for 33.495. Plenty scope for a deal there. It's a buyers market so am sure for that money there is a decent car to be had somewhere

Truss

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Where are these horror stories about the GTR coming from?
My old mans really doing his research at the moment and isn't too worried about purchasing one.
I'd sooner have a 3ish year old GTR than a 5-6 year old porsche.

john banks

Fine marshall. Ride is a bit firm, but not in a way that is bouncy on a B-road so I can forgive it. Other than that the main issue is to consider other road users and not use performance anywhere near them as they will have no idea you are there and you would scare and annoy a lot of people very easily and a simple overtake at half throttle with oodles of space would make many drivers **** themselves that you were going to have a head on collision. Thankfully, the main other road users I see are pheasants. Short shifting at 3000 RPM and it makes progress like an STI.

ScoobyDoo555

I SO misread that John - thought you said,"peasants"......

john banks

Such stupid animals I have rarely seen. You think they are walking away and then they turn tail, get a suicidal glint in their eyes and take another sliver off my Brembos.

marshall332bhp

Me to haha. ad love a GTR but the misses wouldn't be happy if I turned up in one.

Trout

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These old Porsches clearly had something as that is where Richard Burns put his money! I believe he also had a GT1 (but this may have been a rumour). I reckon he could probably drive a bit as well

Richard Burns GT3 for sale

ALi-B

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Please tell me it didn't have the vomit brown/beige interior.


If its Porsche, then IMO not a basic 996 or a boxster...or a cayenne. All probably the worst examples of the marque.

993 GT2, old, troublesome, but highly respected Oh...hang on, there's one too many zeroes on the pricetag.

olliecampbell

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Bentley Continental? Supercharged Rangie? Or is that not sporting enough?

ALi-B

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Range Rover? Sporting? Only if you use it to go shooting grouse.

bustaMOVEs

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There is a sensor in the gearbox that fails (design fault) and Nissan replace the whole thing, they are not trained to fix them although a specialist would and would save a lot of money if out of warranty, and I belive the gear syncros are dodgy too but ok on most models.
As to why I'd get one on warranty which can be had for around £1k

Blue and Gold

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I think my money would go on an AMG merc or most likely a GTR never driven an AMG but did a driving experience in a GTR and loved every second of it, although you don't really get that long in the car

f1_fan

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Good point

Actually **** would be going a little far, I was just entering into the spirit of the thread.

However, it was not the most rewarding ownership experience.

It was a secondhand 3.5 year old car with 22K on it and a full Porsche history. In the 14 months I had it the roof mechanism packed in, the rear window had to be replaced, the gear linkage seized and the entire braking system needed replacing. The latter was out of warranty and cost over £1500. Couple to that Porsche in Wilmslow were close to useless. In my opinion the car had been stood at some point in its life and a lot of the issues came from there.

All that would not have mattered so much if the driving experience had lived up to the hype. The car whilst planted enough just never felt special or that quick or that good in my honest opionion. It had niggling rattles and having to get out to help the roof go down (a common fault apparently) was just not on. All in all it was just very disappointing.

It got replaced by a Honda S2000 which both my wife and I agreed was a better built car and frankly a lot more fun not to mention better to look at certainly with the roof up. She still has the Honda some 6 years on so that should tell you all you need to know and in 140K it has never missed a beat.

The other day I saw that daft Autotrader programme with Mike Brewer from 2006. The chap on there wanted a two seater sports car and he came down to a choice between the Boxster and the S2000. Of course I expected him to take the Boxster as it was a Porsche and 99% of people especially on programmes like these would want the badge if nothing else, but he didn't .. he chose the S2000 citing all the reasons I found it better. Maybe these programmes aren't always so daft.

All that being said a 911 Porsche or derivative thereof is still a car I would look at long and hard if I had the cash. Looking at a Boxster and a 911 is like comparing C class Mercs to a CL class... there is no real comparison. Different beasts entirely!

f1_fan

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No it had a black/dark grey interior. I have seen that brown interiror though and it is nasty!

bustaMOVEs

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Range rover are crap IMO, they handle like a pig, why would anybody want that as a drivers car, unless they are a drug dealer vogues aswell, just a classy jeep with no drivers thought involved, x5 diesel would pelt it round a track

Littleted

know what you mean about money, wife wants to move house. I could just get something OK.

I know a lot don't like them but I do like the Megane 250 or Clios. I also like the Old Type R can get them for under 10 now

Littleted

http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/c...390-bhp/931372

sexy

Cammy5106

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Get the GTR I am a ex GTR Master Tech for Nissan I would have one in a second again, I had a demo one for a year before I left to work offshore, it broke my heart giving it back. I kicked the **** out that car and nothing broke on it..

Good cars best bang for buck no question.

I mean just look at it





Servicing is not a major drama anyone can change the oil and filters, its the gearbox settings / adjustment, and the ECU adjustments that need done by a dealer or a specialist for your optimizations.

Horror stories are gearbox falling to bits if you put to much power upgrades on them, the circlips in the early cars standard box can give in and cause you a major problem in the region of 10k upwards but you can buy uprated parts to stop this happening.

Nissan want around £120 a hour labour to get them worked on but the like of litchfeild and that are doing things cheaper now.

Allan

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For 30k you'll be looking at an 05 DB9, or an 06 Vantage, I would allow at least 750/yr for general servicing, more for the big ones, and a lot more if you want to use a main dealer. Worth every penny though