Chip

No, people only see what they want to see when it comes to animal cruelty.

How many townies on here bought a free range turkey for xmas? Not many I imagine.

Happy new year to you Chris

Chip

td bigdog

Yeah the french have an enviable history of animal welfare, foie gras anyone??

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Oh I agree that hunts aren't the only issue by a long chalk, but they are a very public one. There is definitely an element of picking on them as they are thought of as toffs (or in Pete's case Tory toffs ), but my issue with them is that they try and dress it up as pest control when it is sport. I'd respect them more if they just said that tbh!

Townies are blinkered in many respects as they buy their meat shrink wrapped from the supermarket and don't really give a thought as to how it got there. Same with eggs - I witnessed a conversation between mother and daughter in the supermarket not so long ago where the young daughter wanted her mother to buy free range eggs as it was nicer to the hens and the mother said don't be silly thye are all the same, they just stick those in a free range box and double the pirice.

People have a lot of waking up to do as there is a lot of animal cruelty in this world, but ignoring hunting just becuase it may not be the worst of it isn't going to help.

Happy New Year to you too

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Spectacularly missing the point there! Only on SN!

FFS I am not lauding the French, but showing you that the pest control argument used by the pro hunting lobby is nonsense!

td bigdog

It's only nonsense if you chose it to be the hunt is a valid pest control tool one I have used many times when a problem fox has needed culling and conventional methods have been unsuccessful now its banned though I just use snares since they apparently are far more humane

gpssti4

iTrader: (6)

Don't be a stupid, it's a very poor form of pest control. You kill one fox and another moves into the now empty territory. Shooting is far more humane.

Anyway, I drove past a hunt yesterday and somehow managed to splash the supporters in their own horse ****.

dpb

Personally I can't see why we shouldn't be eating those spare beagles

td bigdog

Really well as a professional gamekeeper I would suggest I have a far greater knowledge of pest control than most but thanks for your insight if you chose to reread my post I, m sure you will notice the part about using the hunt after other methods have been unsuccessful

RA Dunk

Using the hunt shoulden't be an option full stop. I thought it was made illegal a few years ago?

As a gamekeeper you probably have some kind of tie to these cretins (you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours type of thing) after all they are making your job easier by removing these vermin so you don't have too.

dpb

What is a problem fox big dog?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Obviously not the sort they have in France

td bigdog

Yep hunting is banned so this entire debate is pointless and since only a handfull of hunts have been prosecuted despite constantly being monitored by lacs then it is clear the hunts are acting within the law.
I do find it somewhat amusing though that the very people who try to hold the moral high ground are constantly driven to blasphemy and name calling to get their point across

td bigdog

A fox that consistently takes livestock or as is my case where I have to dramatically lower the population of fox on a given area one which has defeated other methods of control

RA Dunk

Ehh WTF?? How can they be acting within the law if hunting is banned and they continue to hunt? Surely that's breaking the law?

Name calling? All I said was cretins, hardly name calling TBH.

Blasphemy? you got me on that one?

cster

Has there ever been a better example of the self-loathing that is the cement of the lower echelons of the class system?
Pete (mate) - these people are not your betters, they don't think they are your betters - only you do.
Eleanor Roosevelt had something or other to say about this type of thing.
Get yourself some self-help buddy.
YOLO as the young-uns are want to say!

dpb

Are you sure this isn't the one saved for the one who pays your wages

td bigdog

They must be hunting the drag the law requires them to otherwise they would be prosecuted with all the monitors lacs employ surley they would have been more prosecutions in the last 8 years.


As to my paragraph on name calling and blasphemy I didn't intend to single you out as such but since in your posts you mention hunters to be *******s,****** and cretins then I guess the cap fits

the shreksta

iTrader: (20)

+1

td bigdog

As this is a shooting estate and my employer doesn't hunt then yes pretty sure

RA Dunk

Either that or they are let off with quite a bit of it as long as it's seen to be done discreetly? After all, One woulden't want to upset our gentry would one.


I stand by my words.

Chip

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about then.

Here, educate yourself before spouting off.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/schedule/1

cster

Hunting with Dogs is very big in France.
TBF they are in general more connected with the countryside there.
I mean how many people on here know some-one who is a farmer or have worked or spent any time on a farm?
They were pretty big on witch burning there as well.

RA Dunk

Who's spouting off?

I asked if it was legal or illegal you dipsh1t.

For your reference post 41.

Learn to read before spouting off.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yes, but they don't hunt foxes. It's more wild boar and sometimes deer. It is also, they admit, a sport. At least they have the ***** to call it for what they see it rather than pest control!

Chip

My apologies Dunk, I misread your post.

Chip

RA Dunk

lol No worries Chip. **** happens.

Chip

cster

I don't know why they push the pest control argument here - I guess they think it is easy to put across than trying to paint the more complex picture.
Obviously anything that involves stabling hunting horses and dog packs is about more than controlling the local fox population.
It is not something that interests me one way or the other TBF.
Maybe I should have read "wind in the willows" or something when I was younger

c_maguire

This is ultimately such a minor issue, even that **** Blair admitted his Government should have never started on it.
This is more about the envy culture we have going on here, where people resent those who have more than they do. The poor old fox is a gift to these people.
Too many people with chips on their shoulders round here.

Hare coursing is no different, except the plebs do that rather than the toffs. Let's not bother with that then.
Same again with the badgers.

The fox is only coincidental to what's really going on here.

dpb

Yes it's more your die hard sadist involved in the above