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Old 27 December 2012, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
people who live in towns can understand animal cruelty when they see it just fine!
No, people only see what they want to see when it comes to animal cruelty.

How many townies on here bought a free range turkey for xmas? Not many I imagine.

Happy new year to you Chris

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Old 27 December 2012, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
In rural France if there are too many foxes in an area and they are becoming a problem to the farms the farners go out and shoot them. They don't seem to need umpteen horses, packs of dogs and a bunch of morons with a thirst for animal cruelty to control the issue over there.

It has nothing to do with pest control and everything to do with being sadistic *****!

And you don't need to be brought up in the country to have a valid opinion about it either, people who live in towns can understand animal cruelty when they see it just fine!

As for tradition we used to burn witches at the stake.... should we bring that back too?
Yeah the french have an enviable history of animal welfare, foie gras anyone??
Old 27 December 2012, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip
No, people only see what they want to see when it comes to animal cruelty.

How many townies on here bought a free range turkey for xmas? Not many I imagine.

Happy new year to you Chris

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Oh I agree that hunts aren't the only issue by a long chalk, but they are a very public one. There is definitely an element of picking on them as they are thought of as toffs (or in Pete's case Tory toffs ), but my issue with them is that they try and dress it up as pest control when it is sport. I'd respect them more if they just said that tbh!

Townies are blinkered in many respects as they buy their meat shrink wrapped from the supermarket and don't really give a thought as to how it got there. Same with eggs - I witnessed a conversation between mother and daughter in the supermarket not so long ago where the young daughter wanted her mother to buy free range eggs as it was nicer to the hens and the mother said don't be silly thye are all the same, they just stick those in a free range box and double the pirice.

People have a lot of waking up to do as there is a lot of animal cruelty in this world, but ignoring hunting just becuase it may not be the worst of it isn't going to help.

Happy New Year to you too
Old 27 December 2012, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by td bigdog
Yeah the french have an enviable history of animal welfare, foie gras anyone??
Spectacularly missing the point there! Only on SN!

FFS I am not lauding the French, but showing you that the pest control argument used by the pro hunting lobby is nonsense!
Old 27 December 2012, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Spectacularly missing the point there! Only on SN!

FFS I am not lauding the French, but showing you that the pest control argument used by the pro hunting lobby is nonsense!
It's only nonsense if you chose it to be the hunt is a valid pest control tool one I have used many times when a problem fox has needed culling and conventional methods have been unsuccessful now its banned though I just use snares since they apparently are far more humane
Old 27 December 2012, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by td bigdog
It's only nonsense if you chose it to be the hunt is a valid pest control tool one I have used many times when a problem fox has needed culling and conventional methods have been unsuccessful now its banned though I just use snares since they apparently are far more humane
Don't be a stupid, it's a very poor form of pest control. You kill one fox and another moves into the now empty territory. Shooting is far more humane.

Anyway, I drove past a hunt yesterday and somehow managed to splash the supporters in their own horse ****.
Old 27 December 2012, 12:11 PM
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Personally I can't see why we shouldn't be eating those spare beagles
Old 27 December 2012, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gpssti4
Don't be a stupid, it's a very poor form of pest control. You kill one fox and another moves into the now empty territory. Shooting is far more humane.

Anyway, I drove past a hunt yesterday and somehow managed to splash the supporters in their own horse ****.
Really well as a professional gamekeeper I would suggest I have a far greater knowledge of pest control than most but thanks for your insight if you chose to reread my post I, m sure you will notice the part about using the hunt after other methods have been unsuccessful
Old 27 December 2012, 12:24 PM
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Using the hunt shoulden't be an option full stop. I thought it was made illegal a few years ago?

As a gamekeeper you probably have some kind of tie to these cretins (you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours type of thing) after all they are making your job easier by removing these vermin so you don't have too.
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What is a problem fox big dog?
Old 27 December 2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
What is a problem fox big dog?
Obviously not the sort they have in France
Old 27 December 2012, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Using the hunt shoulden't be an option full stop. I thought it was made illegal a few years ago?

As a gamekeeper you probably have some kind of tie to these cretins (you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours type of thing) after all they are making your job easier by removing these vermin so you don't have too.

Yep hunting is banned so this entire debate is pointless and since only a handfull of hunts have been prosecuted despite constantly being monitored by lacs then it is clear the hunts are acting within the law.
I do find it somewhat amusing though that the very people who try to hold the moral high ground are constantly driven to blasphemy and name calling to get their point across
Old 27 December 2012, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
What is a problem fox big dog?
A fox that consistently takes livestock or as is my case where I have to dramatically lower the population of fox on a given area one which has defeated other methods of control
Old 27 December 2012, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by td bigdog
Yep hunting is banned so this entire debate is pointless and since only a handfull of hunts have been prosecuted despite constantly being monitored by lacs then it is clear the hunts are acting within the law.
I do find it somewhat amusing though that the very people who try to hold the moral high ground are constantly driven to blasphemy and name calling to get their point across

Ehh WTF?? How can they be acting within the law if hunting is banned and they continue to hunt? Surely that's breaking the law?

Name calling? All I said was cretins, hardly name calling TBH.

Blasphemy? you got me on that one?
Old 27 December 2012, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Has there ever been a better example of the self-loathing that is the cement of the lower echelons of the class system?
Pete (mate) - these people are not your betters, they don't think they are your betters - only you do.
Eleanor Roosevelt had something or other to say about this type of thing.
Get yourself some self-help buddy.
YOLO as the young-uns are want to say!
Old 27 December 2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by td bigdog
A fox that consistently takes livestock or as is my case where I have to dramatically lower the population of fox on a given area one which has defeated other methods of control
Are you sure this isn't the one saved for the one who pays your wages
Old 27 December 2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Ehh WTF?? How can they be acting within the law if hunting is banned and they continue to hunt? Surely that's breaking the law?

Name calling? All I said was cretins, hardly name calling TBH.

Blasphemy? you got me on that one?
They must be hunting the drag the law requires them to otherwise they would be prosecuted with all the monitors lacs employ surley they would have been more prosecutions in the last 8 years.


As to my paragraph on name calling and blasphemy I didn't intend to single you out as such but since in your posts you mention hunters to be *******s,****** and cretins then I guess the cap fits
Old 27 December 2012, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Well put, What type of sick ba$tard would actually see this act of cruelty as being sport anyway? It's probably the least sporting thing ever.

If animals need culling then fine, but I don't see why some stuck up ***** sitting on a horse should get a jolly good laugh and a day out because of it.
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Old 27 December 2012, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dpb
Are you sure this isn't the one saved for the one who pays your wages
As this is a shooting estate and my employer doesn't hunt then yes pretty sure
Old 27 December 2012, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by td bigdog
They must be hunting the drag the law requires them to otherwise they would be prosecuted with all the monitors lacs employ surley they would have been more prosecutions in the last 8 years.
Either that or they are let off with quite a bit of it as long as it's seen to be done discreetly? After all, One woulden't want to upset our gentry would one.


Originally Posted by td bigdog
As to my paragraph on name calling and blasphemy I didn't intend to single you out as such but since in your posts you mention hunters to be *******s,****** and cretins then I guess the cap fits
I stand by my words.
Old 27 December 2012, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Ehh WTF?? How can they be acting within the law if hunting is banned and they continue to hunt?
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about then.

Here, educate yourself before spouting off.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/schedule/1
Old 27 December 2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
In rural France if there are too many foxes in an area and they are becoming a problem to the farms the farners go out and shoot them. They don't seem to need umpteen horses, packs of dogs and a bunch of morons with a thirst for animal cruelty to control the issue over there.

It has nothing to do with pest control and everything to do with being sadistic *****!

And you don't need to be brought up in the country to have a valid opinion about it either, people who live in towns can understand animal cruelty when they see it just fine!

As for tradition we used to burn witches at the stake.... should we bring that back too?
Hunting with Dogs is very big in France.
TBF they are in general more connected with the countryside there.
I mean how many people on here know some-one who is a farmer or have worked or spent any time on a farm?
They were pretty big on witch burning there as well.
Old 27 December 2012, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about then.

Here, educate yourself before spouting off.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/schedule/1
Who's spouting off?

I asked if it was legal or illegal you dipsh1t.

For your reference post 41.

Originally Posted by RA Dunk
I thought it was made illegal a few years ago?
Learn to read before spouting off.
Old 27 December 2012, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cster
Hunting with Dogs is very big in France.
Yes, but they don't hunt foxes. It's more wild boar and sometimes deer. It is also, they admit, a sport. At least they have the ***** to call it for what they see it rather than pest control!
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Originally Posted by RA Dunk
Who's spouting off?

I asked if it was legal or illegal you dipsh1t.

For your reference post 41.



Learn to read before spouting off.
My apologies Dunk, I misread your post.

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lol No worries Chip. **** happens.
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Old 27 December 2012, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yes, but they don't hunt foxes. It's more wild boar and sometimes deer. It is also, they admit, a sport. At least they have the ***** to call it for what they see it rather than pest control!
I don't know why they push the pest control argument here - I guess they think it is easy to put across than trying to paint the more complex picture.
Obviously anything that involves stabling hunting horses and dog packs is about more than controlling the local fox population.
It is not something that interests me one way or the other TBF.
Maybe I should have read "wind in the willows" or something when I was younger

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This is ultimately such a minor issue, even that **** Blair admitted his Government should have never started on it.
This is more about the envy culture we have going on here, where people resent those who have more than they do. The poor old fox is a gift to these people.
Too many people with chips on their shoulders round here.

Hare coursing is no different, except the plebs do that rather than the toffs. Let's not bother with that then.
Same again with the badgers.

The fox is only coincidental to what's really going on here.
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Yes it's more your die hard sadist involved in the above


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