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The tension is between the harsh and conservative Mosaic Law of the Old Testament and the compassionate and inclusive spirit of the New. If one reads John 8:1-59
So, whilst Jesus forgave the women, He acknowledges adultery as a sin and commands her to sin no more. Whilst Jesus doesn't discuss homosexuality specifically in the New Testament, He does of course cite Genesis and the Law of Moses as authoritative and by extension did, does and will consider same sex marriage as sinful.
This presents a painful dilemma for liberal Christians who wish to extend a hand to people of all persuasions and moreso for homosexual Christian couples who wish to profess their love for one another in front of God. I imagine the latter would do well to consider a ceremony at a Unitarian church although I personally cannot reconcile how a service can endorse a 'sinful' bond; theologically it seems absurd.
I guess the only way to attack this is to imagine being gay and a Christian. That in the context of the Bible it is sinful is indisputable, but we're all sinners. So does one abstain? If one chooses that, the dilemma of gay marriage is removed. If one chooses not to abstain and wishes to formalise one's relationship, but acknowledges the absurdity of asking the church to endorse sin, one ought to marry in a civil ceremony. If one wishes to be married in a church one has to be able to reconcile the conflict between the source text of their faith and the actions they're asking to be sanctioned and whilst I'm unable to see how that's logically possible, I'm willing to listen to reasoning to the contrary.
So, whilst Jesus forgave the women, He acknowledges adultery as a sin and commands her to sin no more. Whilst Jesus doesn't discuss homosexuality specifically in the New Testament, He does of course cite Genesis and the Law of Moses as authoritative and by extension did, does and will consider same sex marriage as sinful.
This presents a painful dilemma for liberal Christians who wish to extend a hand to people of all persuasions and moreso for homosexual Christian couples who wish to profess their love for one another in front of God. I imagine the latter would do well to consider a ceremony at a Unitarian church although I personally cannot reconcile how a service can endorse a 'sinful' bond; theologically it seems absurd.
I guess the only way to attack this is to imagine being gay and a Christian. That in the context of the Bible it is sinful is indisputable, but we're all sinners. So does one abstain? If one chooses that, the dilemma of gay marriage is removed. If one chooses not to abstain and wishes to formalise one's relationship, but acknowledges the absurdity of asking the church to endorse sin, one ought to marry in a civil ceremony. If one wishes to be married in a church one has to be able to reconcile the conflict between the source text of their faith and the actions they're asking to be sanctioned and whilst I'm unable to see how that's logically possible, I'm willing to listen to reasoning to the contrary.
https://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/is-god-anti-gay
The talk will be recorded so I may put it up here for anyone who's interested.
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I've been asked to review and talk on this book:
https://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/is-god-anti-gay
The talk will be recorded so I may put it up here for anyone who's interested.
https://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/is-god-anti-gay
The talk will be recorded so I may put it up here for anyone who's interested.
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I've been asked to review and talk on this book:
https://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/is-god-anti-gay
The talk will be recorded so I may put it up here for anyone who's interested.
https://www.thegoodbook.co.uk/is-god-anti-gay
The talk will be recorded so I may put it up here for anyone who's interested.
There's a free download for the book available, so I may skim through it before I hear you. Subject to the spare time available to me for that. I'll see. I'll deffo find the time to hear your recording, though.
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Nice of you to offer, James, thanks. I haven't read the book but I will be interested in your 'review' talk. Please feel free to put it up for my interest.
There's a free download for the book available, so I may skim through it before I hear you. Subject to the spare time available to me for that. I'll see. I'll deffo find the time to hear your recording, though.
There's a free download for the book available, so I may skim through it before I hear you. Subject to the spare time available to me for that. I'll see. I'll deffo find the time to hear your recording, though.
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Naive view,just thought sex was not high on the agenda when you take the cloth,or whatever the term is more important things to address.lol
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Yes, it's not unknown that the Christian churches don't look very kindly on the gay sexuality. I remember the time when you, too, would have been the one (after you became a 'born again') who the author would have raised this question to. Over some time, I've seen your stance changing, along with gradually relaxing Christian air towards the homosexuality; world-wide. It will be interesting to hear how, as a Christian, you review this book with your current degree of acceptance towards the gay sexuality.
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Yes, it's not unknown that the Christian churches don't look very kindly on the gay sexuality. I remember the time when you, too, would have been the one (after you became a 'born again') who the author would have raised this question to. Over some time, I've seen your stance changing, along with gradually relaxing Christian air towards the homosexuality; world-wide. It will be interesting to hear how, as a Christian, you review this book with your current degree of acceptance towards the gay sexuality.
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https://www.scoobynet.com/958805-gay...l#post10904053
I've never been "anti-gay".
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https://www.scoobynet.com/958805-gay...l#post10904053
I've never been "anti-gay".
https://www.scoobynet.com/958805-gay...l#post10904053
I've never been "anti-gay".
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I do find same-sex marriage unacceptable.
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lol.You need to watch the video.
Taking the cloth = becoming a minister/vicar /bishop etc etc
Thereafter you have a higher calling.To be bothered with sex,heterosexual or not,was not what I understood ministers of religion to be about.As opposed to that chap who makes an awful lot of fuss about his sexuality.lol
Taking the cloth = becoming a minister/vicar /bishop etc etc
Thereafter you have a higher calling.To be bothered with sex,heterosexual or not,was not what I understood ministers of religion to be about.As opposed to that chap who makes an awful lot of fuss about his sexuality.lol