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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 06:31 PM
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 06:33 PM
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 06:34 PM
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Yes, in pure political terms in would be advantageous to the torys

But the official name of he Tory party is the Conservative and Unionist Party, so I suppose the clue is in the name

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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 06:40 PM
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Nevertheless, it is still a finite resource that will inevitabally run out that may last, what until the end of this century or early part of the next with rising costs as it gets harder to extract? Question is will it give Scotland enough time build another economy not based on oil? You're right I don't know much about the industry you're in, but its good that you enlighten us in a reasoned debate.
You are correct about the oil reserves being finite jonc and yes it will run out at some point

Luckly tho one of the things most of us Scots hate about scotland is the bad windy weather is acctually a very good thing as we are starting to use this to our advantage
With wind farms and hydro power too
And the growing technology in these fields should of advanced enough by the time oil runs out to keep us going well fingers crossed anyway.

Besides there is more to Scotland than just oil anyway as we do acctually export many things as well
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80

Besides there is more to Scotland than just oil anyway as we do acctually export many things as well


I'm sure kilts and haggis don't count
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 08:06 PM
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I'm sure kilts and haggis don't count
Lol
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
If Scotland became independent wouldn't the balance of power in the rest of the UK be much more towards Conservative? Scotland is packed full of socialists.
That's my main motivation for voting no.
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 09:13 PM
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That we would be ruled by socialists? I would leave.
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 09:14 PM
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Just out of curiosity but is this more about Scotland having Independence or being a totally independent state? I know which one it ends in but it must be a logistical nightmare to sort the country out for total separation with your own currency and royal family
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
That we would be ruled by socialists? I would leave.
John, you're an intellgent guy... they are not socialists, not by a long chalk! There are no true socialists left in British politics... the Labour Party still have the word in their core policies statement, but they also have words like truth and honesty so I think we know how much weight that carries!
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 09:25 PM
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They don't want their own currency. They want to keep the Pound.

As said previously, by someone else, if I was a Scot I would want cold hard facts about what is really going to happen and how will it really affect the average Scot and not keep hearing about Salmonds wish list.

I haven't really delved in to all the facts I have to admit but everyone I speak to (on both sides) agrees that there seems to be a lot of unanswered questions.
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 09:39 PM
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I hope they all vote for independence as the world is fecked and this will only add to the chaos It will be funny watching how the shares are affected after the vote day How do banks continue trading in Scotland with new tax rules and what tax will people be paying ?How does the NHS system work in an independant country and how do big companies trade with a non eu company

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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
John, you're an intellgent guy... they are not socialists, not by a long chalk! There are no true socialists left in British politics... the Labour Party still have the word in their core policies statement, but they also have words like truth and honesty so I think we know how much weight that carries!
Whatever they are, the politics in Scotland, not calmed by England will be seriously harmful to my wealth, so I'm oot.
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
That we would be ruled by socialists? I would leave.
Yes, precisely.

I like to think that if I save enough my position a few years down the line will be improved, not that the benefit will be given away to keep bottom feeders.
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Old Feb 8, 2014 | 10:20 PM
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f1_fan, don't you think the vast majority of Scottish politicians are real socialists?
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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f1_fan, don't you think the vast majority of Scottish politicians are real socialists?
Nope, no such thing in politics any more sadly! It's all about personal greed these days!

I'll make a deal with you. If you go independent send us all your 'socialists' and you can have Cameron and Miliband

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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 03:31 PM
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Be careful what you wish for.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 04:14 PM
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So what is the feeling in Scotland? Is there an indication of which way the vote is likely to go?

Probably hard to tell of course but I was wondering if there is an indication that there is likely to be a landslide vote in one direction or the other.
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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by john banks
That we would be ruled by socialists? I would leave.
Take your ball home - lol
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 12:54 PM
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lmao, is salmond in cloud cookoo land or is he just tryign to win the vote with BS?

He says scotland will get straight into the EU, EU says they wont.
He says scotland will keep the pound and fall under the bank of england, yet the brit gov say they wont.
He says that all national debt will stay with westminster and none go to scotland.

Does anyone actualy believe a word he says?
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
He says scotland will keep the pound and fall under the bank of england, yet the brit gov say they wont.
yep - looks like Osborne is taking his ball home too
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
lmao, is salmond in cloud cookoo land or is he just tryign to win the vote with BS?

He says scotland will get straight into the EU, EU says they wont.
He says scotland will keep the pound and fall under the bank of england, yet the brit gov say they wont.
He says that all national debt will stay with westminster and none go to scotland.

Does anyone actualy believe a word he says?
Nope - this whole independence debate has become way too political. I'd like to hear from some non-politicians on the subject.

Oh btw - I believe Salmond has been quite clear on Scotland taking its share of the UK national debt.

Personally I hope the UK remains as is.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
yep - looks like Osborne is taking his ball home too
haha yeah.

i dont give a toss either way, but if they want to go independant they go independant, not half assed expecting the rest of the UK to back them up if it goes **** up. he wants all teh benefits but none of the risks
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Take your ball home - lol
I am English after all.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 04:05 PM
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Do you get a vote, then John?

I'm sure I've heard that Scots living overseas EXCEPT in England can vote? Or is that more rubbish from the press?

Personally, I'm already campaigning for the Scots to go.........
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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Sean Connery will be putting in a YES postal vote from his cliff top villa in Spain
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 05:29 PM
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Yes, I get to vote. In some ways, moving to England following independence could be a nice move, but I prefer it here if the Union lasts.
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 05:49 PM
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How odd. An Englishman living in Scotland CAN vote, but a Scotsman living in England cannot?
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 06:02 PM
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Presumably based on electoral roll?
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 08:07 PM
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So how come my wifes family, Scots living in AUSTRALIA, can vote?
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