Scotland's people voted on Scotland's future. No outside influence (if you discount the lies, false promises and general scaremongering by better together)

This time Scotland's people voted to stay. Overwhelmingly. But Scotland is being forced into doing something it doesn't want. That and London too, it seems. In what way is that Scotland's "fault"?

Who knows. After Northern Ireland becomes part of the rest of Ireland maybe London could join us to create an independent peoples republic of ScotLond, the newest member of the European Union. We could always build a wall around London to separate it from the economic carnage that could be the United kingdom of England and Wales. Worked for West Berlin for years.

 

But had they elected to leave the UK 2 years ago I'm pretty sure they would not have been able to just stay in the EU as a separate entity, in effect a new country. They would have had to apply to join the EU, their previous membership as part of the UK would not have allowed them simply to choose to stay in. Or perhaps that's what you are saying?

 

I'd be surprised if the EU didn't welcome Scotland with open arms. Even more so now.

 

Why would the EU do that?

 

No, that's fine.

But if they got their independence first time around, then they'd (technically) ALREADY BE FREE to start those negotiations (whether they'd be successful or not is another discussion).

As it turned out, they now find themselves locked in with the rest of the UK's overall OUT vote... Hence why Sturgeon is making noises about a second referendum to try to split from the UK...again.

 

As a staunch unionist, it all feels pretty hopeless right now, I cannot see how Scotland can stay as part of the UK.


We have to make Scotland some kind of new deal, something that can try and stem the tide of separatism.


To lose Scotland would be a truly horrific outcome to all of this.

 

Yeah, it's one thing splitting from the EU.... Quite another for our OWN union to splinter!

 

Once Holland, Denmark and possibly Italy vote to leave the EU, then why would Scotland vote to leave the UK and join the EU?

Plus, when they had their referendum, didn't it come out that the EU wasn't too keen on having them anyway? Scotland's whole economy was based on selling oil. Look how that's gone?

They'd be jumping from a strong floating ship into one that was sinking fast where others had already bailed.

 

-- Indeed, the smart thing for Scotland to do is to bide their time and observe the EU from afar, for the next few years.


-- On that point, if only it was, say, a 'Frexit' instead......Then the UK could watch whether the EU reformed for the better, or continued to fragment.

As it is, it's US who're acting as the 'Canary down the mine'......But with no chance of going back if it were to reform itself!

Goddamit.

 

I hope Scotland do hold a referendum and get their independence, the sooner the better in my opinion. Then build a fecking big wall, much bigger than Hadrians, and let them get on with it

 

lol

 

They will be building it themselves when we send all the poles their way when we take control of our borders and benefits.

 

Let's hope so ft

 

Scotland voted overwhelmingly to be part of the UK and as part of the UK have to accept the UK vote to leave the EU. The EU referendum was for the whole of the UK and not Scotland and rUK.

Should they want to leave, we'd have to go over all the old arguments again, ie the currency they will be using and no central bank. Only this time the GBP and Bank of England is no longer an option since neither is part of the EU.

I kind get the sense of how our continental cousins feel regarding the UK, if you want to leave then f*ing hurry up and do it and let the rest of us carry on!!

 

Scotland must be full and active participant in the forthcoming negotiations with the EU or the Union is doomed

 

Ok Hitler!

 

Speaking as a scotlander, I voted no and voted to leave EU.

Scotland cannot afford to be independent now that the oil industry is going down the pan, so I'm not that convinced the independence vote would be turned around - surely all but the die hard nutters can see that.

Vote for economic Armageddon so that we can re-join the EU? **** that.

 

Agree with the above.

Whatever the vote, wee Nicola Nesbitt was going to bring up the neverendum again

 

Sturgeon's a ****. Scotland voted to remain in the UK in their own independence ref. So Scotland has to abide by any other UK referendum result. But of course she now wants to call another one with a view to try to negotiate to get back into Europe. You can't just pick and choose like that - pick and choose the 'best bits' to suit you. It's the equivalent to throwing a tantrum and threatening to take your ball home.

As I said earlier, the Scots should've thought about that more acutely/incisively/intelligently when they had their ind. ref. #1 and should've voted out of the UK.

Also I remember a journalist asking her if she would want a second ind. ref. should UK vote out of the EU some time ago, and she didn't entertain it... I guess she was confident (read arrogant) that the UK would vote to remain in the EU...

 

I see Scotland staying in the UK. Sturgen is just making headlines, nothing the SNP can do to force a referendum.

Scotland has to worry, because they cant afford to be on their own, oil being their cash cow, but not anymore. Wishing to be in the EU, when it possibly might not be around in 5 years.

 

Not every Scot voted to stay in the EU.
I voted for independence in our own referendum, and would have voted to leave the EU if I hadn't been out of the country.
If there was another referendum for Scottish independence, I would change my decision, and vote to remain in the UK.
Now more than ever, the UK needs to remain intact.
Nicola "the fish" will be advised that many people like myself will change their vote if another referendum is called. So in my opinion, it won't come any time soon.

 

Good on you.

 

What happened there then

 

Absolutely never going to happen

The EU member states currently struggling with their own separatist movements (France, Spain, etc) will not want to be seen to be backing a similar breakaway in another country

 

I did wonder after we voted to leave the eu if scotlabd might end up leaving the uk and staying in the eu. The majority of scots did vote to stay in the eu after all. And then scotland will get its fill of migrants

 

It turns out the "oil experts" who work in the industry are wrong afterall. Only two years ago, they were predicting an oil boom, with new wells being drilled and increase in oil exploration in the area to net a revenue of around £6-7bn a year by 2016/2017. The reality is more like £60m and with a £15bn deficit in public spending plugged by rUK, an independent Scotland would have been up sheet creek without a paddle by this time. Lucky for Scotland rUK are forgiving and still would like Scotland to remain despite Nicola Sturgeon's ambition.

 

The UK voting as a whole to leave the EU, but Scotland alone voting to stay has turned out to be Seaweed Sturgeon's biggest nightmare.

She now has to crank up the Indy issue again, yet knows deep down that if they didn't get a result in 2014, then they have even less chance of getting a result now.

The 2014 vote was timed to coincide with a wave of patriotism on the back of the Commonwealth Games and Ryder Cup being held in Scotland.
The reliance on oil has turned into another nightmare for her as the supplies are dwindling and the budget deficit growing.

In the unlikely event of an Indy vote being successful, what then for Scotland?
Never mind the fact that an impoverished Scotland would never meet any financial entry requirements, several EU countries have openly stated that no new countries will be admitted.
More and more people are realising that an independent Scotland is just not financially viable.

Now if they opened up for fracking that may be a different thing altogether, however the SNP need the Greens vote to get any acts passed in Holyrood, so that's unlikely to happen.

I'm a Scot, born here, lived most of my life here.
However I'm also a realist and there is just no way an independent Scotland could prosper and survive despite whatever nonsense spouts from Seaweed's mouth.

The Seaweed reference is from an unnamed Scottish Labour MP, who allegedly stated she was that ugly, even the tide wouldn't take her out.

 

Well I took great pleasure filling in Nicola's survey that came in the post today - i.e. I told her to stick it and hopefully enough of us do the same to make her forget it!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-39255181

 

England is actually trolling Scotland.

When the Scots vote for independence, England will have another EU referendum and rejoin, vetoing any request from the Scots to join the EU separately.

Honestly struggle to see what they think they'll gain from it. Just as misguided as the EU referendum.