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How many people actually give a toss,,,,,,that would be pretty much be nearly all of scotland
I didnt see in the past people turning out in masses to have debates on general elections or standing for hours in a que to go register in every city and village across scotland for general elections
But they have for the independence vote but with your comment you are too blind to see that lol
Its happening in scotland
Masses of debates in every comunity
Thousands upon thousands of people registering to vote
Every no campaign speaker has been abused and shouted at from a overwhelming yes crowd
While the yes speakers are always welcomed by the public
you really dont see whats happening in scotland as you dont live here and dont see the surge
Of people actually giving a toss LOL
Cameron of the three horsemen of the non apocalypse would not be up grovelling in scotland if nobody was giving a toss would he LOL
I didnt see in the past people turning out in masses to have debates on general elections or standing for hours in a que to go register in every city and village across scotland for general elections
But they have for the independence vote but with your comment you are too blind to see that lol
Its happening in scotland
Masses of debates in every comunity
Thousands upon thousands of people registering to vote
Every no campaign speaker has been abused and shouted at from a overwhelming yes crowd
While the yes speakers are always welcomed by the public
you really dont see whats happening in scotland as you dont live here and dont see the surge
Of people actually giving a toss LOL
Cameron of the three horsemen of the non apocalypse would not be up grovelling in scotland if nobody was giving a toss would he LOL
Oh I apologize because you have family here that makes you the foremost expert on the scottish opinion LMFAO
the power hungry ones are these three Morons
which are getting destroyed from salmond and the yes campaign
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This situation is going to be exacerbated by the promised new powers (should Scotland return a no vote). This whole thing is opening up and exposing the awful democratic deficit that exists across the whole of the UK, not just Scotland
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Believe what you will as there are still masses of oil in the north sea
Production was down last year not because oil is becoming scarcer
But because of things like a massive gas leak on rigs like the elgin which is a huge producer
Where production stopped for months because of it.
And i know this for a fact as my work colleges were working on it at the time
And shutdowns on several rig which happen for maintenance which all rigs have to do
Then you have not factored in clair ridge which has not even began to produce with a 640 million barrel recoverable reserve of oil and then not too far away the bp clair already producing 100,000 barrels of oil per day.
Then fields like the buzzard which produce massive amounts of oil
So why dont you keep what you know or should i say dont know to yourself
Then there is the west coast which in the 80's bp was wanting to drill there
But westminster said no because of the nuclear subs train and operate there
Mmm maybe that is why salmond wants the trident subs out of that area so we can go drilling there
Two birds one stone,,,,,,sounds good to me
Production was down last year not because oil is becoming scarcer
But because of things like a massive gas leak on rigs like the elgin which is a huge producer
Where production stopped for months because of it.
And i know this for a fact as my work colleges were working on it at the time
And shutdowns on several rig which happen for maintenance which all rigs have to do
Then you have not factored in clair ridge which has not even began to produce with a 640 million barrel recoverable reserve of oil and then not too far away the bp clair already producing 100,000 barrels of oil per day.
Then fields like the buzzard which produce massive amounts of oil
So why dont you keep what you know or should i say dont know to yourself
Then there is the west coast which in the 80's bp was wanting to drill there
But westminster said no because of the nuclear subs train and operate there
Mmm maybe that is why salmond wants the trident subs out of that area so we can go drilling there
Two birds one stone,,,,,,sounds good to me
You are correct in that I am not an oil expert, but neither are you. The amount of recoverable oil is in dispute, and it's not just Westminster who quote the lower figures, it does have a bearing on the argument.
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If you wanted to start a new business and the success of mine was positively influenced by its success, and negatively influenced by its failure then I might not tell you to f*ck off (even if it was you )
The best outcome for both sides in the dissolution of any partnership or ending of any union, be that a nation, a buisness or a marriage comes from respect and collaboration. Yes there's always a negotaition to be had, but if its done on those bases there's a mutually beneficial outcome.
From where I'm sitting, "Yes Scotland" wants that. Westminster is, however, adopting the f*ck you approach. Its now realsiing that the F*ck you approach isn't working and having a panick attack (although it seems no one has told Osborne. Or maybe he's just a smug wee tosspot who makes up his own rules) Neither Cameron or Milliband could organise a **** up in a brewery, nor could many of their respective cabinets. And its blindingly obvious thats the case.
There's a good reason to vote yes on its own.
You keep harping on about Salmond's currency plan B. Heres a more important one for you - I doubt very much that Westminster has a plan B - if we run with the concept that Plan A is a No vote. Not only might losing Scotland be bad fro the rest of the uk, those dumb f*ckers don't even have a plan for what to do if that happens.
What those dumb f*ckers should have been doing from the start is saying "ok, lets let Scotland's people decide. And if its yes, lets focus on what we have to do to make sure we all come out of this in the best possible shape".
The best outcome for both sides in the dissolution of any partnership or ending of any union, be that a nation, a buisness or a marriage comes from respect and collaboration. Yes there's always a negotaition to be had, but if its done on those bases there's a mutually beneficial outcome.
From where I'm sitting, "Yes Scotland" wants that. Westminster is, however, adopting the f*ck you approach. Its now realsiing that the F*ck you approach isn't working and having a panick attack (although it seems no one has told Osborne. Or maybe he's just a smug wee tosspot who makes up his own rules) Neither Cameron or Milliband could organise a **** up in a brewery, nor could many of their respective cabinets. And its blindingly obvious thats the case.
There's a good reason to vote yes on its own.
You keep harping on about Salmond's currency plan B. Heres a more important one for you - I doubt very much that Westminster has a plan B - if we run with the concept that Plan A is a No vote. Not only might losing Scotland be bad fro the rest of the uk, those dumb f*ckers don't even have a plan for what to do if that happens.
What those dumb f*ckers should have been doing from the start is saying "ok, lets let Scotland's people decide. And if its yes, lets focus on what we have to do to make sure we all come out of this in the best possible shape".
Obviously Alex Salmond is counting on continuing to do so.I don't dispute that Westminster have screwed things up and neither do I doubt things will be bad for rUK in a separation, but I wouldn't stake my country's future on a bluff, question is who is bluffing.
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You seem to struggle to understand what is said to you. The true is same whether you have a gazillion barrels, new fields to explore etc. If oil cannot be recovered, they won't recover it. The only question remains of when. If you deny that, then I can't help you. The true is same all over the world, it's not a Scottish problem per se, but Scotland is what we are discussing.
You are correct in that I am not an oil expert, but neither are you. The amount of recoverable oil is in dispute, and it's not just Westminster who quote the lower figures, it does have a bearing on the argument.
You are correct in that I am not an oil expert, but neither are you. The amount of recoverable oil is in dispute, and it's not just Westminster who quote the lower figures, it does have a bearing on the argument.
But with 10 years in the oil fields in the field of oil well logging " just so you know what logging is its when a team which i was part off go out and scan oil wells to see whats down there with specialised logging tools and then tell the rig what in the well"
I am in a much better knowledge than you ever will be on the subject
Oil produced was down due to the reason i gave not because it was harder to recover
How do i know this ????????
Because i am in this industry and have been for the last 10 years and have people i am friends with and work with all over this particular industry
some oil fields are becoming harder to produce like the marathon brae fields which i spent a year working on
but there are lots of other rigs are producing hundreds of thousands of barrels
not to mention fracking which turned all the unrecoverable oil wells in the USA back into mass producers turning USA from a mass importer of oil into a exporter of oil
You know jack **** about oil recovery,,, what was your work background ?
And in just one field alone BP states that there is 640 million RECOVERABLE barrels alone sitting in the clair ridge
But you know very little of this
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You may well, however, agree a split of assets and liabilities, together with shared use of those assets for the benefit of both. Currency here is not a bank account - it's effectively an asset, so your analogy doesn't really work.
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There's been the usual heckling on both sides.
Only one "no" campaigner has been subject to any "abuse" - Jim Murphy. He's an arsey, agressive little ***** who gets everything he deserves
I make no denials that i cant wait to see if we can break free of westminster rule and dont like them either i will happily come straight out and say exactly how i feel
But you seem extremely bitter that scotland is voting to rid ourselfs of you
Feeling a bit hurt that your united kingdom is facing a massive kick in the nuts are you
You come across as the wife who keeps trying to convince the husband why they are better together after being told he does not love you anymore
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You are right on one thing you are not a expert thats for damn sure
But with 10 years in the oil fields in the field of oil well logging " just so you know what logging is its when a team which i was part off go out and scan oil wells to see whats down there with specialised logging tools and then tell the rig what in the well"
I am in a much better knowledge than you ever will be on the subject
Oil produced was down due to the reason i gave not because it was harder to recover
How do i know this ????????
Because i am in this industry and have been for the last 10 years and have people i am friends with and work with all over this particular industry
some oil fields are becoming harder to produce like the marathon brae fields which i spent a year working on
but there are lots of other rigs are producing hundreds of thousands of barrels
not to mention fracking which turned all the unrecoverable oil wells in the USA back into mass producers turning USA from a mass importer of oil into a exporter of oil
You know jack **** about oil recovery,,, what was your work background ?
And in just one field alone BP states that there is 640 million RECOVERABLE barrels alone sitting in the clair ridge
But you know very little of this
But with 10 years in the oil fields in the field of oil well logging " just so you know what logging is its when a team which i was part off go out and scan oil wells to see whats down there with specialised logging tools and then tell the rig what in the well"
I am in a much better knowledge than you ever will be on the subject
Oil produced was down due to the reason i gave not because it was harder to recover
How do i know this ????????
Because i am in this industry and have been for the last 10 years and have people i am friends with and work with all over this particular industry
some oil fields are becoming harder to produce like the marathon brae fields which i spent a year working on
but there are lots of other rigs are producing hundreds of thousands of barrels
not to mention fracking which turned all the unrecoverable oil wells in the USA back into mass producers turning USA from a mass importer of oil into a exporter of oil
You know jack **** about oil recovery,,, what was your work background ?
And in just one field alone BP states that there is 640 million RECOVERABLE barrels alone sitting in the clair ridge
But you know very little of this
BP’s intervention today meanwhile warned voters not to trust Alex Salmond’s estimates for North Sea oil.
The oil company’s boss Bob Dudley backed warnings by the oil industry’s most eminent businessman that Mr Salmond’s economic case for separation relies on highly inflated estimates for North Sea tax revenue.
Mr Dudley said Sir Ian Wood’s assessment that the North Sea would be all but spent by 2050 was correct and used Scots to vote No. His opposite number at Shell also backed the estimate.
Sir Ian Wood, who has been praised by both David Cameron and Mr Salmond as the industry's foremost figure, warned Scottish voters were using their hearts rather than their heads in weighing up the independence debate.
Mr Dudley said: ‘BP has been in the UK North Sea for 50 years and we hope to operate here for many years to come. However, the province is now mature and I believe Sir Ian Wood correctly assesses its future potential.
‘The opportunities today are smaller and more challenging to develop than in the past. We also face the challenges of extending the productive life of existing assets and managing the future costs of decommissioning.
‘Much of this activity requires fiscal support to be economic, and future long-term investments require fiscal stability and certainty.
‘Our business invests for decades into the future. It is important our plans are based on a realistic view of the North Sea’s future potential and the challenges the industry faces in continuing to operate here.
‘As a major investor in Scotland – now and into the future – BP believes that the future prospects for the North Sea are best served by maintaining the existing capacity and integrity of the United Kingdom.’
The oil company’s boss Bob Dudley backed warnings by the oil industry’s most eminent businessman that Mr Salmond’s economic case for separation relies on highly inflated estimates for North Sea tax revenue.
Mr Dudley said Sir Ian Wood’s assessment that the North Sea would be all but spent by 2050 was correct and used Scots to vote No. His opposite number at Shell also backed the estimate.
Sir Ian Wood, who has been praised by both David Cameron and Mr Salmond as the industry's foremost figure, warned Scottish voters were using their hearts rather than their heads in weighing up the independence debate.
Mr Dudley said: ‘BP has been in the UK North Sea for 50 years and we hope to operate here for many years to come. However, the province is now mature and I believe Sir Ian Wood correctly assesses its future potential.
‘The opportunities today are smaller and more challenging to develop than in the past. We also face the challenges of extending the productive life of existing assets and managing the future costs of decommissioning.
‘Much of this activity requires fiscal support to be economic, and future long-term investments require fiscal stability and certainty.
‘Our business invests for decades into the future. It is important our plans are based on a realistic view of the North Sea’s future potential and the challenges the industry faces in continuing to operate here.
‘As a major investor in Scotland – now and into the future – BP believes that the future prospects for the North Sea are best served by maintaining the existing capacity and integrity of the United Kingdom.’
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Mmm
I make no denials that i cant wait to see if we can break free of westminster rule and dont like them either i will happily come straight out and say exactly how i feel
But you seem extremely bitter that scotland is voting to rid ourselfs of you
Feeling a bit hurt that your united kingdom is facing a massive kick in the nuts are you
You come across as the wife who keeps trying to convince the husband why they are better together after being told he does not love you anymore
I make no denials that i cant wait to see if we can break free of westminster rule and dont like them either i will happily come straight out and say exactly how i feel
But you seem extremely bitter that scotland is voting to rid ourselfs of you
Feeling a bit hurt that your united kingdom is facing a massive kick in the nuts are you
You come across as the wife who keeps trying to convince the husband why they are better together after being told he does not love you anymore
Surely in a democratic process the majority vote wins. Forget everything else, if the Scots want independence then they should have it. Or is it a case of do as we say?
The fact the three morons from Westminster are against devolution would be reason enough for me to vote yes. Layers of bureaucracy and central government are wasteful and poor value for money. Good for maintaining jobs for the boys though.
The fact the three morons from Westminster are against devolution would be reason enough for me to vote yes. Layers of bureaucracy and central government are wasteful and poor value for money. Good for maintaining jobs for the boys though.
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-Total just built a new gas plant in Shetland, Sullom Voe totally refurbishing their plant, Schiehallion rig being replaced with and upgraded rig as current one is a bottle neck in production. Already got the Clair rig, Clair shelf rig coming online next year with a further two rigs coming shortly thereafter but there is no oil West of Shetland.
-Huge oil and gas supply off of Barra
-Plenty of oil and gas in the Clyde, esp off Arran, once Trident has been moved then we shall be able to drill.
- 4 of the largest distilleries on Islay looking at expanding and doubling production with distilleries calling for improved freight services to Islay
-Scotland being the Center of excellence in renewables in the world
-Scotland being at the forefront of computer game programing
-CMAL (Calmac) being in the forefront of ferry design with possible new Hydrogen RoPax Ferry using waste energy to produce hydrogen from energy that is dumped into the ground at night from renewable energy sources.
-robust financial Sector
the list goes on
-Huge oil and gas supply off of Barra
-Plenty of oil and gas in the Clyde, esp off Arran, once Trident has been moved then we shall be able to drill.
- 4 of the largest distilleries on Islay looking at expanding and doubling production with distilleries calling for improved freight services to Islay
-Scotland being the Center of excellence in renewables in the world
-Scotland being at the forefront of computer game programing
-CMAL (Calmac) being in the forefront of ferry design with possible new Hydrogen RoPax Ferry using waste energy to produce hydrogen from energy that is dumped into the ground at night from renewable energy sources.
-robust financial Sector
the list goes on
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Others have an opposing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29140970
Martyn Tulloch of Tulloch Energy, who co-authored the N-56 report, said: "We noted with interest the comments from Sir Ian Wood and are surprised as they seem rather at odds with a wealth of experts in this field who have given their backing to this report.
BP’s intervention today meanwhile warned voters not to trust Alex Salmond’s estimates for North Sea oil.
The oil company’s boss Bob Dudley backed warnings by the oil industry’s most eminent businessman that Mr Salmond’s economic case for separation relies on highly inflated estimates for North Sea tax revenue.
Mr Dudley said Sir Ian Wood’s assessment that the North Sea would be all but spent by 2050 was correct and used Scots to vote No. His opposite number at Shell also backed the estimate.
Sir Ian Wood, who has been praised by both David Cameron and Mr Salmond as the industry's foremost figure, warned Scottish voters were using their hearts rather than their heads in weighing up the independence debate.
Mr Dudley said: ‘BP has been in the UK North Sea for 50 years and we hope to operate here for many years to come. However, the province is now mature and I believe Sir Ian Wood correctly assesses its future potential.
‘The opportunities today are smaller and more challenging to develop than in the past. We also face the challenges of extending the productive life of existing assets and managing the future costs of decommissioning.
‘Much of this activity requires fiscal support to be economic, and future long-term investments require fiscal stability and certainty.
‘Our business invests for decades into the future. It is important our plans are based on a realistic view of the North Sea’s future potential and the challenges the industry faces in continuing to operate here.
‘As a major investor in Scotland – now and into the future – BP believes that the future prospects for theNorth Sea are best served by maintaining the existing capacity and integrity of the United Kingdom.’
The oil company’s boss Bob Dudley backed warnings by the oil industry’s most eminent businessman that Mr Salmond’s economic case for separation relies on highly inflated estimates for North Sea tax revenue.
Mr Dudley said Sir Ian Wood’s assessment that the North Sea would be all but spent by 2050 was correct and used Scots to vote No. His opposite number at Shell also backed the estimate.
Sir Ian Wood, who has been praised by both David Cameron and Mr Salmond as the industry's foremost figure, warned Scottish voters were using their hearts rather than their heads in weighing up the independence debate.
Mr Dudley said: ‘BP has been in the UK North Sea for 50 years and we hope to operate here for many years to come. However, the province is now mature and I believe Sir Ian Wood correctly assesses its future potential.
‘The opportunities today are smaller and more challenging to develop than in the past. We also face the challenges of extending the productive life of existing assets and managing the future costs of decommissioning.
‘Much of this activity requires fiscal support to be economic, and future long-term investments require fiscal stability and certainty.
‘Our business invests for decades into the future. It is important our plans are based on a realistic view of the North Sea’s future potential and the challenges the industry faces in continuing to operate here.
‘As a major investor in Scotland – now and into the future – BP believes that the future prospects for theNorth Sea are best served by maintaining the existing capacity and integrity of the United Kingdom.’
is this the same BP who recently released this video
I think you should pay attention around the 16 second mark to the 640 million recoverable barrels in BP's new oil field !
and described by BP itself " truly giant fields in the north sea " and production to start in 2016
then start to pay particular attention at 42 seconds to BP's new technology Low salinity water injection which is a oil recovery method for getting that so called unrecoverable oil!
and its dirt cheap to use it as well
I do agree with what you said about BP tho " Here's something from a business which thinks it knows a little about oil "
This BP PR video shows exactly what that pish you quoted does not
I have posted this video before but seeing that you never paid attention the first time round here it is again.
and before you qoute what Sir Ian Wood said about exaggerated claims
he is not the only oil specialist in the land !
http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/...-in-north-sea/
you never answered my question on what you do for a living mr oil specialist !
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You can watch and listen to his interview here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-reserves.html
and here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-warnings.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-reserves.html
and here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-warnings.html
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For everyone person who has a view
Others have an opposing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29140970
Martyn Tulloch of Tulloch Energy, who co-authored the N-56 report, said: "We noted with interest the comments from Sir Ian Wood and are surprised as they seem rather at odds with a wealth of experts in this field who have given their backing to this report.
Others have an opposing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-29140970
Martyn Tulloch of Tulloch Energy, who co-authored the N-56 report, said: "We noted with interest the comments from Sir Ian Wood and are surprised as they seem rather at odds with a wealth of experts in this field who have given their backing to this report.
LOL
sir ian woods probably a No better together voter
You can watch and listen to his interview here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-reserves.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-reserves.html
why are other oil specialists not backing what he said then LOLand what about bp when the video clearly from bp say otherwise you probably wont have a answer for that tho will you LOL
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-Total just built a new gas plant in Shetland, Sullom Voe totally refurbishing their plant, Schiehallion rig being replaced with and upgraded rig as current one is a bottle neck in production. Already got the Clair rig, Clair shelf rig coming online next year with a further two rigs coming shortly thereafter but there is no oil West of Shetland.
-Huge oil and gas supply off of Barra
-Plenty of oil and gas in the Clyde, esp off Arran, once Trident has been moved then we shall be able to drill.
- 4 of the largest distilleries on Islay looking at expanding and doubling production with distilleries calling for improved freight services to Islay
-Scotland being the Center of excellence in renewables in the world
-Scotland being at the forefront of computer game programing
-CMAL (Calmac) being in the forefront of ferry design with possible new Hydrogen RoPax Ferry using waste energy to produce hydrogen from energy that is dumped into the ground at night from renewable energy sources.
-robust financial Sector
the list goes on
-Huge oil and gas supply off of Barra
-Plenty of oil and gas in the Clyde, esp off Arran, once Trident has been moved then we shall be able to drill.
- 4 of the largest distilleries on Islay looking at expanding and doubling production with distilleries calling for improved freight services to Islay
-Scotland being the Center of excellence in renewables in the world
-Scotland being at the forefront of computer game programing
-CMAL (Calmac) being in the forefront of ferry design with possible new Hydrogen RoPax Ferry using waste energy to produce hydrogen from energy that is dumped into the ground at night from renewable energy sources.
-robust financial Sector
the list goes on
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6163f0c8-3...44feabdc0.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c43c9a14-3...44feabdc0.html
Not so sure on the last point though:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6163f0c8-3...44feabdc0.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c43c9a14-3...44feabdc0.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6163f0c8-3...44feabdc0.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c43c9a14-3...44feabdc0.html
but you agree on G.macs other points yes ?
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