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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
If we end up in **** or as you say are already in it then there is not a lot I can do, you on the other hand are going to vote your way into ****
Not end up in the **** the UK is already swimming in it

I am not going to anything
I already have voted and posted it to forge our own future
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
we want a share of theirs too which includes a share of the bank of england too
I love the way you hate England, the English, and everything English, but you want the Bank of England. Can't you just settle for the Royal Bank of Scotland?
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:15 PM
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I love the way you hate England, the English, and everything English, but you want the Bank of England. Can't you just settle for the Royal Bank of Scotland?
To be fair i was just trying to get a rise out of some people here with my english comments
i have english family that i like and some english friends that i like and respect
i am anti westminster but for the most part dont mind english people in general
i do like to wind them up though

look the facts in seperation is both partys give a shares of each others assets
lets not forget that england wants a share of our assets too

so bank of england is ours as well maybe a very small share but still its a shared asset within the uk.

lets not forget if independence happens you will still have a small share of our resources as well
oil for one and fresh soft water that gets pumped in a pipeline to england which makes a considerable difference during summer when you have water shortages

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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Why slavishly follow "the markets" - they don't have a glittering history in recent times of being able to accurately predict events
Who said they did?

That doesn't change the reality though does it?
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:39 PM
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I can think of one sure way of sending the Yes vote crashing down in flames, publish a good portion of Nizmo's comments from this thread in every newspaper north of the border
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
To be fair i was just trying to get a rise out of some people here with my english comments
i have english family that i like and some english friends that i like and respect
i am anti westminster but for the most part dont mind english people in general
i do like to wind them up though

look the facts in seperation is both partys give a shares of each others assets
lets not forget that england wants a share of our assets too

so bank of england is ours as well maybe a very small share but still its a shared asset within the uk.

lets not forget if independence happens you will still have a small share of our resources as well
oil for one and fresh soft water that gets pumped in a pipeline to england which makes a considerable difference during summer when you have water shortages
So once you get your independence, are you going to vote to join the EU?
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Thats fine then because rUK keeps the national debt in that case
And before anybody says intrest rates will go up for defaulting
It has already been proven and admitted by the bank of england and the government
That the debt belongs to them so we cant default on a debt thats not ours in the first place

I do want scotland to pay their share
But if no currency union is given then i will be fully behind walking away from the national debt
If Scotland refuses to take its share of the debt, then surelyrUK is within its rights to ask for Scotland to give up all the assets it will hold that received greater funding from south of the border?

It works both ways, you can't have your cake and eat it.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 06:55 PM
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Is no one concerned for Scotland that Westminster may be keeping some of its powder dry.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:11 PM
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Who said they did?

That doesn't change the reality though does it?
it is implied by a lot of the commentary, here in the south
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
Is no one concerned for Scotland that Westminster may be keeping some of its powder dry.
I'm more interested in hearing what Westminster will do for rUK after Scotland buggers off.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:13 PM
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We will probably end up with a currency union, even though the government abd BOE are digging their heels in right now.

I really think that this would be the worst possible outcome for the UK in the long run.
I'd rather we agreed to waive their share of the debt. That way Scotland wouldn't run the risk of being punished by the markets, but most importantly it would limit our liabilities. I cannot think of a single reason why the UK taxpayer should have to prop up the Scottish economy and banking system.

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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
I'm more interested in hearing what Westminster will do for rUK after Scotland buggers off.
Get interest payments from iScotland on loans provided by rUK to pay for what Alex Salmond promised to the Scottish people post independence, but at interest rates that reflects its credit history, that or they can go to the international equivalent of Wonga.com.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
If Scotland refuses to take its share of the debt, then surelyrUK is within its rights to ask for Scotland to give up all the assets it will hold that received greater funding from south of the border?

It works both ways, you can't have your cake and eat it.
dont work like that unfortunatly for you

we are having our cake and eating it and Mmmmm tastes goooood
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
dont work like that unfortunatly for you

we are having our cake and eating it and Mmmmm tastes goooood
Could be some nasty indigestion though
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by markjmd
I can think of one sure way of sending the Yes vote crashing down in flames, publish a good portion of Nizmo's comments from this thread in every newspaper north of the border
Or we could get you a little soap box to prop you up on in the middle of Glasgow to tell them how best to vote

You would be eaten alive
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Could be some nasty indigestion though
Already used to it swallowing westminster crap for all my life
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Already used to it swallowing westminster crap for all my life
Well then what's to come should be familiar to you

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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Get interest payments from iScotland on loans provided by rUK to pay for what Alex Salmond promised to the Scottish people post independence, but at interest rates that reflects its credit history, that or they can go to the international equivalent of Wonga.com.
I want to hear about more than the financial side of things. I want to know about defence, borders, if the next general election will happen or be delayed, etc.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
Or we could get you a little soap box to prop you up on in the middle of Glasgow to tell them how best to vote

You would be eaten alive
Quite literally if the obesity figures are anything to go by.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
dont work like that unfortunatly for you

we are having our cake and eating it and Mmmmm tastes goooood
I think there is a real possibility that it will work that way. For example, you will no longer have access to UK's military assets for land, sea and air. Sure you keep the bases, but anything not fixed will move to the UK, say goodbye to the modern aircrafts, tanks, ships etc, you may see partial dismantling of renewable energy sources and UK subsidies will no longer pay or maintain them, also other public services such as the DVLA, passport control, the BBC etc. Your cake might taste nice at first, but it's gonna give you the ***** for some time. On the bright side, you won't get Top Gear anymore.

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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 07:54 PM
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I love the Scots and their country, ( I have Scottish ancestry) and do not want them to leave, but everyone I speak to in work isn,t interested in what they decide. Most say good riddance.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
We will probably end up with a currency union, even though the government abd BOE are digging their heels in right now.

I really think that this would be the worst possible outcome for the UK in the long run.
I'd rather we agreed to waive their share of the debt. That way Scotland wouldn't run the risk of being punished by the markets, but most importantly it would limit our liabilities. I cannot think of a single reason why the UK taxpayer should have to prop up the Scottish economy and banking system.
This^^^ (Shock, I agree with Martin).

I can really see us giving them a golden goodbye, followed by an even bigger golden hello in five years when they need to come back, even after we've propped them up during that time.

Sigh........the UK taxpayer gets shafted again, same as it ever was.

And what's the betting that all those agitating for them to say yes, would walk away with full pockets too, given the above? Whereas each and every one of them should be bankrupt if the above comes to pass.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
I think there is a real possibility that it will work that way. For example, you will no longer have access to UK's military assets for land, sea and air. Sure you keep the bases, but anything not fixed will move to the UK, say goodbye to the modern aircrafts, tanks, ships etc, you may see partial dismantling of renewable energy sources and UK subsidies will no longer pay or maintain them, also other public services such as the DVLA, passport control, the BBC etc. Your cake might taste nice at first, but it's gonna give you the ***** for some time. On the bright side, you won't get Top Gear anymore.
I have went over this Jonc
who is going to invade us exactly that we need massive armys to protect us ?

rUk will need big armys for when the USA drags them into more illegal wars
looking for WMD that even a UK ambassador went onto camera to say they knew there was no WMD even before they invaded.
you will need big armys not us

maybe under the scottish driving agency we might actually get pot holes fixed for a change.

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questi...ndards-agency/

passports,,,,,well seeing that I was born British I will have a duel passport

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questi...y-uk-passport/

BBC I would vote independence just to get rid of them,
never watch anything on BBC load of crap and full of kiddie fiddlers that the BBC protected for years


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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
I have went over this Jonc
who is going to invade us exactly that we need massive armys to protect us ?

Everyone, an independent Scotland with no armed forces to speak of will be open game.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
who is going to invade us exactly that we need massive armys to protect us ?
Most of Eritrea, Sudan and other countries on the Horn of Africa who are currently making their way to Calais.
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:37 PM
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Everyone, an independent Scotland with no armed forces to speak of will be open game.

didnt say we will have no armed forces but just smaller armed forces

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questi...ity-policy-be/


Its already open season in England with terrorists plotting to attack you with a massive muslim population that hate you
Why is that Mmmm maybe because you go following the USA into the middle east trying to grab their resources and blaming it on non existent WMD's.

dont get me wrong I hope nothing ever happens to england as even though I want separation I will still care what happens to england

there was one terrorist jihad attack in scotland where the fella got banjoed from a baggage handler.

dont see the war machine attacking the republic of ireland do we
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
Most of Eritrea, Sudan and other countries on the Horn of Africa who are currently making their way to Calais.

that ferry route takes them straight to dover where it will be your problem
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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
I have went over this Jonc
who is going to invade us exactly that we need massive armys to protect us ?

rUk will need big armys for when the USA drags them into more illegal wars
looking for WMD that even a UK ambassador went onto camera to say they knew there was no WMD even before they invaded.
you will need big armys not us

maybe under the scottish driving agency we might actually get pot holes fixed for a change.

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questi...ndards-agency/

passports,,,,,well seeing that I was born British I will have a duel passport

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questi...y-uk-passport/

BBC I would vote independence just to get rid of them,
never watch anything on BBC load of crap and full of kiddie fiddlers that the BBC protected for years

Well then you have nothing to worry about. Best you tell Alex Salmond as he plans to waste £2.5bn to build up the armed forces after independence, that covers just about one ship.

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Old Sep 9, 2014 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
didnt say we will have no armed forces but just smaller armed forces

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questi...ity-policy-be/


Its already open season in England with terrorists plotting to attack you with a massive muslim population that hate you
Why is that Mmmm maybe because you go following the USA into the middle east trying to grab their resources and blaming it on non existent WMD's.

dont get me wrong I hope nothing ever happens to england as even though I want separation I will still care what happens to england

there was one terrorist jihad attack in scotland where the fella got banjoed from a baggage handler.

dont see the war machine attacking the republic of ireland do we
But Scotland has oil.
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Well then you have nothing to worry about. Best you tell Alex Salmond as he plans to waste £2.5bn to build up the armed forces after independence, that covers just about one ship.
Would not say spending money on defending our selfs a waste

just pointing out we dont need massive armys unlike rUK
Good luck with westminster following USA on wars of terror tho
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