TTRS forum - anyone fancy a troll?
23 November 2012, 12:34 AM
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Few months ago we are been on the Santa Pod RWYB,there has been one guy with TT RS and he done 12.9s, which on that I said is not bad,but when he told me,he pushing 440bhp on Stage 2,he said,he should be doing low 11s
We are done our personal best in the wagon(which have around 1700kg) on this RWYB 11.8
If you will be near Santa Pod in January put your car on the drag strip and show off...
Jura
We are done our personal best in the wagon(which have around 1700kg) on this RWYB 11.8
If you will be near Santa Pod in January put your car on the drag strip and show off...
Jura
23 November 2012, 10:57 AM
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TTRSTOOFAST4U, is your car DSG? If so I suppose a mixed blessing to strengthen it if you're trailblazing the high power path on this platform unless you can take parts from another high power version as well as appropriate tuning of the DSG ECU. Do you have solutions for fuel pump, direct injection and ECU including accurate air mass metering at the airflows you'll need? Lastly, uprated miscellaneous drivetrain parts?
All these issues have resulted in the R35 GTR needing a lot of research before it got into the 8s. Presumably you've also considered the aerodynamics and lift at 200+ mph.
Should be an interesting project. The advantages of the TTRS DSG with good launching and relatively good power to weight ratio vs cost in low states of tune will need to translate to high power applications to mix with the best.
All these issues have resulted in the R35 GTR needing a lot of research before it got into the 8s. Presumably you've also considered the aerodynamics and lift at 200+ mph.
Should be an interesting project. The advantages of the TTRS DSG with good launching and relatively good power to weight ratio vs cost in low states of tune will need to translate to high power applications to mix with the best.
23 November 2012, 11:47 AM
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Some guy called Horst von Sauma? or the likes could only get an 8.09 out of a TTRS round the ring, we had this guy in a lower powered subaru though... 
Factory car.
Tony
Factory car.
Tony
23 November 2012, 11:49 AM
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and if you dont want to wait, come up north, i'll happily take you for a race, dont mind my 10k car being beaten but just wanna see if you think all the money gone into your car is worth it for the short extra distance you made?
600+ horses for you to play with..
M606 anytime
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23 November 2012, 11:53 AM
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I believe his TT is currently just over 400bhp but has plans for 700. So these claims are all school kid pie in the sky guesses. I suspect if it does make 700, it will blow up. Then a TT tdi will be a lot quicker. So will our 2.6 tonne camper...
23 November 2012, 12:07 PM
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Actually guys I was not remotely taking the mickey, I'm sure if he knows what he is doing this will all be in hand, but they are all issues faced on the conceptually similar GTR, except I think the German ECUs will be more of a challenge to play nicely as they don't tend to get as rewritten as the Japanese ECUs.
These issues on the GTR took many different people in different countries working from different angles to put it all together to get something that delivers the power, drives properly and holds together.
If the 2.5 block is strong that is a good start compared to a Subaru, but there is a lot more than that to get a car like this properly quick and not have it overwhelmed by driveability or reliability problems.
These issues on the GTR took many different people in different countries working from different angles to put it all together to get something that delivers the power, drives properly and holds together.
If the 2.5 block is strong that is a good start compared to a Subaru, but there is a lot more than that to get a car like this properly quick and not have it overwhelmed by driveability or reliability problems.
23 November 2012, 12:20 PM
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The point is TT is a gay car driven by bumders, doesn't matter how much money you throw at it or modify it, underneath it's still gay. It shares the same PQ35 chassis with that of the VW Beetle, another gay car. You can't polish a turd, as they say.
23 November 2012, 12:44 PM
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John; it was a good post but shows just what is actually needed to make and be able to more than double the power of a fairly modest car. If a 500 ++ bhp GTR takes that much R&D to push out mega numbers, think what a TT needs.
And while TT man is clearly richer than God, I suspect even his enormous wealth has limits... ;-)
And while TT man is clearly richer than God, I suspect even his enormous wealth has limits... ;-)
23 November 2012, 12:45 PM
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Has anyone here driven a TTRS? It seems that it and the RS3 don't always set the best laptimes and their handling can get slated, and then on other occasions they pull some reasonable times. There is no doubt that they sound good and can be made to deliver in a straight line, and I wouldn't be ashamed to drive one, the combination of DSG, turbo, >4 cylinders and what sounds to be decent economy and comfort has to be of interest, but it sounds like they are missing something in terms of driver satisfaction instead of just having some thrust.
I think they will also need a fair bit less than 600 BHP to get into the 10s dazdavies if they can pull together DSG good behaviour in the package?
Aside from all the bravado and posturing, it could be a very interesting platform.
I think they will also need a fair bit less than 600 BHP to get into the 10s dazdavies if they can pull together DSG good behaviour in the package?
Aside from all the bravado and posturing, it could be a very interesting platform.
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23 November 2012, 12:53 PM
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Has anyone here driven a TTRS? It seems that it and the RS3 don't always set the best laptimes and their handling can get slated, and then on other occasions they pull some reasonable times. There is no doubt that they sound good and can be made to deliver in a straight line, and I wouldn't be ashamed to drive one, the combination of DSG, turbo, >4 cylinders and what sounds to be decent economy and comfort has to be of interest, but it sounds like they are missing something in terms of driver satisfaction instead of just having some thrust.
I think they will also need a fair bit less than 600 BHP to get into the 10s dazdavies if they can pull together DSG good behaviour in the package?
Aside from all the bravado and posturing, it could be a very interesting platform.
I think they will also need a fair bit less than 600 BHP to get into the 10s dazdavies if they can pull together DSG good behaviour in the package?
Aside from all the bravado and posturing, it could be a very interesting platform.
23 November 2012, 12:54 PM
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23 November 2012, 01:11 PM
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pmsl, epic epic thread.
have the hairdressers all gone now?
TOTB will be interesting next year then, sounds like the ttrs's are gonna wipe the floor with the competition. Congrats on the victory.
have the hairdressers all gone now?
TOTB will be interesting next year then, sounds like the ttrs's are gonna wipe the floor with the competition. Congrats on the victory.
23 November 2012, 01:35 PM
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Has anyone here driven a TTRS? It seems that it and the RS3 don't always set the best laptimes and their handling can get slated, and then on other occasions they pull some reasonable times. There is no doubt that they sound good and can be made to deliver in a straight line, and I wouldn't be ashamed to drive one, the combination of DSG, turbo, >4 cylinders and what sounds to be decent economy and comfort has to be of interest, but it sounds like they are missing something in terms of driver satisfaction instead of just having some thrust.
I think they will also need a fair bit less than 600 BHP to get into the 10s dazdavies if they can pull together DSG good behaviour in the package?
Aside from all the bravado and posturing, it could be a very interesting platform.
I think they will also need a fair bit less than 600 BHP to get into the 10s dazdavies if they can pull together DSG good behaviour in the package?
Aside from all the bravado and posturing, it could be a very interesting platform.
The handling side isn't too bad John, it's humping the BMW M3 DKG Competition package in a series of tests in Germany. The M3 is considered a good handling capable car yes?.....
http://www.germancarforum.com/commun...-series.46220/
600bhp in a DSG car is easily low 10's. My RS is 11.3 with a mere 420bhp.
As to durability, the development APR 650 car is still running stock clutch and stock fuelling and seems to be holding up well. The chap has managed a 2.8 60 in it (Manual transmission) and a 0-200 time in the low 9sec region. Still in development and only half finished apparently.
Nowhere near 8sec GTR's but the market is tiny in comparison. GTR's are sold in big numbers worldwide, there are a lot more tuning options. 650bhp is the max in a TTRS at the moment, some GTR's are running 1500hp so understandably there are no crazy drag times.
The TTRS wasn't meant to compete with the GTR, Audi's new V10 R8 with DSG is though. I suspect that car will be an absolute rocket ship with a change from manual to DSG transmission. The TTRS is a cheap and cheerful capable little car. Insurance, tax, fuel, servicings are all cheap as chips.
Cost wise...
TTRS S-Tronic + (360bhp) £43,507
TTRS S-Tronic (340bhp) £41,922
TTRS Manual (340bhp) £40,730
Nissan GTR £74,480. That's a lot of money for a Nissan regardless of its good performance.
2 completely different cars, 2 completely different markets. The RS was never built to compete with the GTR but as the GTR has become the performance benchmark then its always going to be compared against. There's no denying that 3.1 to 60, 7.2 to 100 and 11.3 1/4m from a car with basically just a remap is impressive. Figures firmly in supercar territory. Matt Close is running riot in the Targa rally in Australia with his DSG TTRS, still running stock turbo and humping all sorts of GTR's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTM9W...=youtu.be&hd=1
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23 November 2012, 01:56 PM
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Sh*t quality picture but...
60..3.1
100..7.2
30-130..11.0 (30-60 is 1.9)
Current Crail leaderboard, the GTR in front of me is a Stage 4 SVM 630 car...
Number 1 position is a 1400hp SVM car, simply awesome
23 November 2012, 02:04 PM
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Standard, not sure, but with a remap, 9sec 60-130..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AATsvLPXSM
Sh*t quality picture but...
60..3.1
100..7.2
30-130..11.0 (30-60 is 1.9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AATsvLPXSM
Sh*t quality picture but...
60..3.1
100..7.2
30-130..11.0 (30-60 is 1.9)
These modern dual clutch cars have changed the game somewhat. Just goes to show you don't need mega power.
Is the time verified, do you have the Performance Box logs?