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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
As I said before in a previous post i do not dislike the english
In all honesty they are people like any other and I personaly dont mind them
but I dont like the english goverment and the way the conduct things and
yes I dont want to be governed by them.
Indeed, they are English. Not French, not German and not Indian.

The only way forwards is to let the people of Scotland free.....
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
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There is no such entity as 'the English Government' so it's actually not possible to dislike them.

Is this the basis of your desire for independence? To swap a government that doesn't exist, for a bunch of stuck in a time-warp, socialists?

In all honesty my desire is for scotland to have our own goverment in full charge of scotland it really is as simple as that.

I know the goverment is made up of people from all over the uk and is not really the english goverment but I really do not like the way it is run

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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
In all honesty my desire is for scotland to have our own goverment it really is as simple as that.

I know the goverment is made up of people from all over the uk and is not really the english goverment but I really do not like the way it is run

How about Head of State, Currency, Defense and EU membership?

These issues are fundamental to Scottish independence

AND WHY OH WHY SOCIALISM??

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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How about Head of State, Currency, Defense and EU membership?

These issues are fundamental to Scottish independence

AND WHY OH WHY SOCIALISM??

for head of state a vote should be held

currency should still be the pound sterling

defense I dont know to much about that TBH but a alliance between scotland and england would be benificial for both sides

yes I think we would be best to stay in the eu
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How about Head of State, Currency, Defense and EU membership?

These issues are fundamental to Scottish independence

AND WHY OH WHY SOCIALISM??
Was Sterling English
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by craigo
Was Sterling English
cant remember to honest but we should keep the scottish pound
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
for head of state a vote should be held

currency should still be the pound sterling

defense I dont know to much about that TBH but a alliance between scotland and england would be benificial for both sides

yes I think we would be best to stay in the eu

How can Scotland be self governing, whilst allowing the Bank of ENGLAND to set its monetary policy?
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How about Head of State, Currency, Defense and EU membership?

These issues are fundamental to Scottish independence

AND WHY OH WHY SOCIALISM??
Defense, the world has no need to war.
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by craigo
Defense, the world has no need to war.
if only
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How about Head of State, Currency, Defense and EU membership?

These issues are fundamental to Scottish independence

AND WHY OH WHY SOCIALISM??
EU membership, our country is rich in soil and can well feed its own.
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How can Scotland be self governing, whilst allowing the Bank of ENGLAND to set its monetary policy?

this is something I cannot answer as I am just a oil worker and a family man
and thats why we have politicians to figure that one out
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
How about Head of State, Currency, Defense and EU membership?

These issues are fundamental to Scottish independence

AND WHY OH WHY SOCIALISM??
Head of state, are you drunk......
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
this is something I cannot answer as I am just a oil worker and a family man
and thats why we have politicians to figure that one out

ALEX SALMOND????????
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by craigo
Head of state, are you drunk......

eh?
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
ALEX SALMOND????????

I have faith in him as I am sure you and others will dis agree but he is trying his best for scotland
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by craigo
EU membership, our country is rich in soil and can well feed its own.

You are going to eat soil?

Not sure that's a winning plan


and you think I'm drunk
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You are going to eat soil?

Not sure that's a winning plan


and you think I'm drunk

see you do have a sense of humour after all
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You are going to eat soil?

Not sure that's a winning plan


and you think I'm drunk
Not a farmer are you
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by nizmo80
tell me something trooper 1815 how is it you mainly banter on about army related issues
is it because you were in the army and know very little about anything else ?
Still in and proud. But I fear for the future of my fellow jock soldier mates. There are thousands posted outside Scotland who cannot vote!

I have posed other questions and not got answers, Norway was set as a fine example of a nation that as resources like Scotland. But you failed to respond to two of the three reasons why it's not.

Simiarly with the question of Iceland and Eire? Still not answered.

Now like many I believe in the Union, even the Republicans in NI have seen the light and shut up.

As I understand it residents (even non-Scots) can vote but if your a jock student, economic migrant or Civil Servant you cannot? Should the ECHR be looking at this? Or is it just a Salmondism?

Here in Wales residents get a better financial university package than non-resident, prescriptions are the same, potentially the windfarms, Severn Barrier and the millions of ton's of opencast coal which is still being mined and is in demand could also be grounds to go independent but we know it's not viable.

If you want independence then go for it, but it could all end in tears.
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:50 AM
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England has a massive amount of social issues. In reflection Scotland has little. Let them rot i say ......
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The Trooper 1815
Still in and proud. But I fear for the future of my fellow jock soldier mates. There are thousands posted outside Scotland who cannot vote!

if this is accurate then yea you do have a point there scots outside scotland should be able to vote

I have posed other questions and not got answers, Norway was set as a fine example of a nation that as resources like Scotland. But you failed to respond to two of the three reasons why it's not.

sorry what was the two questions

Simiarly with the question of Iceland and Eire? Still not answered.

honestly dont know

Now like many I believe in the Union, even the Republicans in NI have seen the light and shut up.

well if they are happy with it then good for them

As I understand it residents (even non-Scots) can vote but if your a jock student, economic migrant or Civil Servant you cannot? Should the ECHR be looking at this? Or is it just a Salmondism?

another question I dont know sorry

Here in Wales residents get a better financial university package than non-resident, prescriptions are the same, potentially the windfarms, Severn Barrier and the millions of ton's of opencast coal which is still being mined and is in demand could also be grounds to go independent but we know it's not viable.

if the welsh are happy with staying in the uk then by all means stay
and all the best to wales


If you want independence then go for it, but it could all end in tears.

Yes it very well could end in tears but also it could mean a bright future for scotland aswell
and some scots dont want to seperate and some scots want to be independent we will find out the percentages on the day of the vote.
you already know how I will be voting


I know some questions I could not answer but as I said before I am just a everyday family man and dont have all the answers

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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 01:56 AM
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There are thousands posted outside Scotland who cannot vote!


What are you saying man ! There are thousands of people in England that cannot read a ballot paper.

Care to think again........
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
You were doing quite well until you posted that. Shall I school you on the relationship between America and Scotland or would you prefer to take yourself off and do a little more reading?
Being a Scot, living in Scotland, knowing more than most the state of our Scottish economy I think I probably know better than you the current relationship between America and Scotland, thank you.

Please don't be the stereotypical stuck up his own **** non Scot who thinks he knows more about current affairs in my country than I do, there's a good chap
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by craigo
Was Sterling English
german origins and printed in wales :P
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 02:14 AM
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as far as the military side of things go, there seems to be a strong pattern of; elections coming up, government promises new jobs through its military establishments in scotland, wales and the north of england where jobs really make a difference in voting, then once the party is in power the jobs were all pie in the sky

as for the ex royal naval site in west wales that will never happen trust me
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 02:18 AM
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I'm welsh and wish the scottish people the best of luck in your new venture, I don't see how you'll have all the rights over the north sea oil as it's in british waters not scottish! i would imagine you'd only get a small preportion of the revenue generated

you'd be much better off lowering business rates and corporate tax to create plenty of jobs then have a higher income tax for all, can't just hammer the rich because they'll just sod off somewhere else lol

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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 02:20 AM
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Before anyone starts flaming me from either side, i'd like to say i'm on the fence on this one or in my terms..... i couldn't give a **** either way
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 02:21 AM
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was not going to flame you LOL
you put forward valid points
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Old Oct 31, 2012 | 02:23 AM
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one for some of the non english on here :P can tell it's getting old now no italy lol

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Originally Posted by Devildog
Being a Scot, living in Scotland, knowing more than most the state of our Scottish economy I think I probably know better than you the current relationship between America and Scotland, thank you.

Please don't be the stereotypical stuck up his own **** non Scot who thinks he knows more about current affairs in my country than I do, there's a good chap
We certainly wouldn't be fighting wars just to suck America's dick
Are you going to elucidate and furnish the statement with substance, I'd hate to think it was nothing more than a rhetorical device designed to please the crowd?

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&sou...EHLVT7MAsp10GA

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