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05 September 2012, 01:38 PM
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That said in all seriousness the Civic is a better looking and better built car than the Impreza ever will be! Thank **** I have moved on!
05 September 2012, 07:29 PM
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Fantastic thread 
I feel almost guilty that my Hawkeye with PPP is putting out 70Nm more than the neck-snapping Civic oil burner even before I get round to upgrading - "the overtaking ability makes a Civic look positively slow by comparison" ... to quote an old saying
More of a cheeky nibble than a bite
I feel almost guilty that my Hawkeye with PPP is putting out 70Nm more than the neck-snapping Civic oil burner even before I get round to upgrading - "the overtaking ability makes a Civic look positively slow by comparison" ... to quote an old saying
More of a cheeky nibble than a bite
06 September 2012, 09:49 AM
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Nope, just forgot about you and this thread as let's face it there ain't much worth remembering
You don't need me to answer the question as we've been over it before on other threads. In summary your attituide to people of a certain sexuality makes me sick!
You don't need me to answer the question as we've been over it before on other threads. In summary your attituide to people of a certain sexuality makes me sick!
06 September 2012, 10:12 AM
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A mate of mine has just bought a civic type r and although its a nice enough car I couldn't believe how slow it was so dread to think what the diesels like
06 September 2012, 10:47 AM
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I will share a secret with you ...... I took a new Impreza STi out for a test drive, for around 30 minutes without a Salesman, it was fast - yes, it was enjoyable - yes.
I took out a whole host of cars from Audi S4's to Vrs Octavia's, from Mazda 6's to Mazda 3 mps's, VXR's and Fords ........
The Honda Civic diesel ticked all the boxes ....... that's why I bought it. It looked better than the others, drove better, was better value.
So, sometimes cars are bought with the heart and head!!
I took out a whole host of cars from Audi S4's to Vrs Octavia's, from Mazda 6's to Mazda 3 mps's, VXR's and Fords ........
The Honda Civic diesel ticked all the boxes ....... that's why I bought it. It looked better than the others, drove better, was better value.
So, sometimes cars are bought with the heart and head!!
06 September 2012, 02:31 PM
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My mate in work, his smoking civic's turbo went pop.
he loves civics, owned a Type-R and moved onto the "new shape". yawn.
Now he wants to get rid as apparently, turbo failures on high-mileage civic diesels is a common thing....
he loves civics, owned a Type-R and moved onto the "new shape". yawn.
Now he wants to get rid as apparently, turbo failures on high-mileage civic diesels is a common thing....
06 September 2012, 06:18 PM
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Wow what an informative thread! I am seriously considering an impreza for the first time since I started driving. Its a 2005 gassed up WRX.
I've spent my life torn in half by performance over frugality issues. So far I have had a weekend beast and a diesel ****ter to get me through my weekly commute.
I've tried "performance" diesels with high specs as an all-rounder.
I've tried living with just a medium powered petrol car.
I've tried gassing up a high powered car.
I will be blatantly to the point. The vehicle you require is more to do with the road you drive on than anything else.
I've had a 600 BHP RWD luxo barge, several 400+bhp GT cruisers, a drift car, a multitude of hatch-back and estate diesels, I've had a luxo 8 seater jap MPV, I've paid for a powered up luxo-barge to be gassed up so I could afford to run it. I've also been involved in extremeish off-roading for nearly 10 years in a prepped up disco. I'm now in a mk1 clipper golf gti having been previously in a mk4 V5 golf.
The long and short of it though is that any given car is only as good as the road it is driven on. Yes I absolutely agree that a civic 2.2 dieso is a good car, my bro in-law has one and I cannot fault it. It does indeed have that urge I've felt many times in petrol tubby cars with alot of power. Here's the thing though it's alot of work if you want to actually hustle and arguably it really only does it's best hustling in legal limits!
Take any piece of cheese and slag off a piece of chalk to your hearts content as in your mind you will always win!
The only reason that I am now considering a scoob when for years I wouldn't touch one is that finally the element I thought was undesirable have moved on, they moved on in part to the supra's that I so much loved. A scoob on gas should provide me with at least some thrills on the loud pedal, with economy that won't bankrupt me, and the ability to make progress on roads with surfaces that relegate Belgium to second worst in Europe,that are as narrow as canals in places. The golf I bought is a gas but I can't afford the dentist bills to replace my fillings every week.
My question to the fishing man would be on average how many cars do you overtake and on what kind of road? I drive 50k miles a year or more and rarely ever see anyone overtaking on single carriageway roads. It's actually gone the other way here in the UK, if you overtake anyone you are treated like a leper! I've had so many people blatantly try and cut me off, attempt to speed up so I can't overtake etc etc in this country that it actually takes a bit of technique combined with road knowledge to actually perform said overtaking safely.
So to finalise my post I would say that each side of this argument has it's own merits and each provocateur is totally convinced they are right. Dare I say that if each one of them performed the daily driving rites of the other then they may see the others point. I would say expand your mind and drive some more vehicles than you do now over many more miles than you do now and come back to the table.
I've spent my life torn in half by performance over frugality issues. So far I have had a weekend beast and a diesel ****ter to get me through my weekly commute.
I've tried "performance" diesels with high specs as an all-rounder.
I've tried living with just a medium powered petrol car.
I've tried gassing up a high powered car.
I will be blatantly to the point. The vehicle you require is more to do with the road you drive on than anything else.
I've had a 600 BHP RWD luxo barge, several 400+bhp GT cruisers, a drift car, a multitude of hatch-back and estate diesels, I've had a luxo 8 seater jap MPV, I've paid for a powered up luxo-barge to be gassed up so I could afford to run it. I've also been involved in extremeish off-roading for nearly 10 years in a prepped up disco. I'm now in a mk1 clipper golf gti having been previously in a mk4 V5 golf.
The long and short of it though is that any given car is only as good as the road it is driven on. Yes I absolutely agree that a civic 2.2 dieso is a good car, my bro in-law has one and I cannot fault it. It does indeed have that urge I've felt many times in petrol tubby cars with alot of power. Here's the thing though it's alot of work if you want to actually hustle and arguably it really only does it's best hustling in legal limits!
Take any piece of cheese and slag off a piece of chalk to your hearts content as in your mind you will always win!
The only reason that I am now considering a scoob when for years I wouldn't touch one is that finally the element I thought was undesirable have moved on, they moved on in part to the supra's that I so much loved. A scoob on gas should provide me with at least some thrills on the loud pedal, with economy that won't bankrupt me, and the ability to make progress on roads with surfaces that relegate Belgium to second worst in Europe,that are as narrow as canals in places. The golf I bought is a gas but I can't afford the dentist bills to replace my fillings every week.
My question to the fishing man would be on average how many cars do you overtake and on what kind of road? I drive 50k miles a year or more and rarely ever see anyone overtaking on single carriageway roads. It's actually gone the other way here in the UK, if you overtake anyone you are treated like a leper! I've had so many people blatantly try and cut me off, attempt to speed up so I can't overtake etc etc in this country that it actually takes a bit of technique combined with road knowledge to actually perform said overtaking safely.
So to finalise my post I would say that each side of this argument has it's own merits and each provocateur is totally convinced they are right. Dare I say that if each one of them performed the daily driving rites of the other then they may see the others point. I would say expand your mind and drive some more vehicles than you do now over many more miles than you do now and come back to the table.
10 September 2012, 08:40 AM
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Wow what an informative thread!
I will be blatantly to the point. The vehicle you require is more to do with the road you drive on than anything else.
Yes I absolutely agree that a civic 2.2 dieso is a good car, my bro in-law has one and I cannot fault it. It does indeed have that urge I've felt many times in petrol tubby cars with alot of power. Here's the thing though it's alot of work if you want to actually hustle and arguably it really only does it's best hustling in legal limits!
I would say expand your mind and drive some more vehicles than you do now over many more miles than you do now and come back to the table.
I will be blatantly to the point. The vehicle you require is more to do with the road you drive on than anything else.
Yes I absolutely agree that a civic 2.2 dieso is a good car, my bro in-law has one and I cannot fault it. It does indeed have that urge I've felt many times in petrol tubby cars with alot of power. Here's the thing though it's alot of work if you want to actually hustle and arguably it really only does it's best hustling in legal limits!
I would say expand your mind and drive some more vehicles than you do now over many more miles than you do now and come back to the table.
To clarify, I have owned and driven more cars than I care to remember ..... some cars make you smile when you drive them, some make you proud when you look back at them as you walk away .... just wanting another go.
The MX5 and the Impreza make you smile each time you drive them ..... no mistake.
The Honda Civic makes me smile when I drive it, it also passes the Petrol Station test - you know, that time you are stood in the queue and you look out to the forecourt and want to tell the world that amazing looking car is yours? Well that's what the Honda does - it is stunning.
Truth be told, and you may laugh, the Calibra in 1992 attracted so much interest that when I parked it I always had a crowd around it ....... now, in 1992, that car looked a $Million - It was, don't laugh, probably the car I was most proud of claiming was mine!!
I am proud of the Honda, as I am of my mint 1995 MX5 .... they are both cracking looking cars.
Now, the Impreza was never a looker .... the Classic is the only one which could turn heads (and that's because people have seen it in rallies flying over a hill) ..... the bug eye was such an ugly car that it would be an embarrassment in the petrol forecourt test. The Blob Eye was a step up in looks, the hawk eye was something of nothing, the latest Impreza is truly a failure when you look back at it - but it does make you smile.
So, in essence, the Honda does it all ....... it looks simply cracking and its overtaking ability is legendary - that 350Nm of Torque can push you past most other cars, Impreza's included.
10 September 2012, 09:29 AM
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Good post.
To clarify, I have owned and driven more cars than I care to remember ..... some cars make you smile when you drive them, some make you proud when you look back at them as you walk away .... just wanting another go.
The MX5 and the Impreza make you smile each time you drive them ..... no mistake.
The Honda Civic makes me smile when I drive it, it also passes the Petrol Station test - you know, that time you are stood in the queue and you look out to the forecourt and want to tell the world that amazing looking car is yours? Well that's what the Honda does - it is stunning.
Truth be told, and you may laugh, the Calibra in 1992 attracted so much interest that when I parked it I always had a crowd around it ....... now, in 1992, that car looked a $Million - It was, don't laugh, probably the car I was most proud of claiming was mine!!
I am proud of the Honda, as I am of my mint 1995 MX5 .... they are both cracking looking cars.
Now, the Impreza was never a looker .... the Classic is the only one which could turn heads (and that's because people have seen it in rallies flying over a hill) ..... the bug eye was such an ugly car that it would be an embarrassment in the petrol forecourt test. The Blob Eye was a step up in looks, the hawk eye was something of nothing, the latest Impreza is truly a failure when you look back at it - but it does make you smile.
So, in essence, the Honda does it all ....... it looks simply cracking and its overtaking ability is legendary - that 350Nm of Torque can push you past most other cars, Impreza's included.
To clarify, I have owned and driven more cars than I care to remember ..... some cars make you smile when you drive them, some make you proud when you look back at them as you walk away .... just wanting another go.
The MX5 and the Impreza make you smile each time you drive them ..... no mistake.
The Honda Civic makes me smile when I drive it, it also passes the Petrol Station test - you know, that time you are stood in the queue and you look out to the forecourt and want to tell the world that amazing looking car is yours? Well that's what the Honda does - it is stunning.
Truth be told, and you may laugh, the Calibra in 1992 attracted so much interest that when I parked it I always had a crowd around it ....... now, in 1992, that car looked a $Million - It was, don't laugh, probably the car I was most proud of claiming was mine!!
I am proud of the Honda, as I am of my mint 1995 MX5 .... they are both cracking looking cars.
Now, the Impreza was never a looker .... the Classic is the only one which could turn heads (and that's because people have seen it in rallies flying over a hill) ..... the bug eye was such an ugly car that it would be an embarrassment in the petrol forecourt test. The Blob Eye was a step up in looks, the hawk eye was something of nothing, the latest Impreza is truly a failure when you look back at it - but it does make you smile.
So, in essence, the Honda does it all ....... it looks simply cracking and its overtaking ability is legendary - that 350Nm of Torque can push you past most other cars, Impreza's included.
And the 2012 'Salesman of the Year' award goes to...
10 September 2012, 01:20 PM
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I've never been quiet about wanting to share my good fortune ..... I do appreciate that I am smarter than everyone here, so, I owe it to you lot to share my wisdom.
10 September 2012, 03:04 PM
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Disappointing. I'd been considering the Civic, but after reading this thread I thought I'd better check BUPA and unfortunately neither vehicular induced neck-snapping or pulse-racing are covered. Nor is the carpal tunnel and tennis elbow I'd no doubt experience from constantly changing gear to try and make meaningful use of that prodigious 340nm of torque
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10 September 2012, 03:51 PM
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10 September 2012, 03:54 PM
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Looks like what-car is impressed with the civic diesel.
Me thinks you need to read reviews pslewis and not just listen to the sales man, who obviously saw you coming when he sold you, your civic.
http://www.which.co.uk/cars/choosing...a-civic-2012-/
Me thinks you need to read reviews pslewis and not just listen to the sales man, who obviously saw you coming when he sold you, your civic.
http://www.which.co.uk/cars/choosing...a-civic-2012-/