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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 12:14 PM
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Maybe the remains are in a bad way?
No, I mean it's odd you can charge someone with a murder of someone who has not definitively been confirmed as having been murdered.

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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Cases like this are just tragic. What possessed the scum to assault her in the first place? Drugs? Booze? Sheer stupidity? All of the above? And then to think, even in a panicked state, that her body could remain concealed within a home of one of the family, just beggars belief.
As you say Tel, just sheer stupidity.

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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 06:49 PM
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Just watched one of the TV interviews with Hazell whilst the search was still on going, in it he says Tia was like a daughter to me.
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Funny how some scumbag has killed a 12 year old girl and the Police end up on trial instead, coppers are only human, generally 12 year old kids don't go missing in their grandparents house and get stashed in the loft. Perhaps someone in the Police missed something but they found the poor girl pretty soon afterwards, it is a very fluid situation, maybe questions need answering, procedures reviewing, training improving but the Police didnt murder the girl and stick her in the loft. The Police probably had all available manpower out looking for her, combing countryside, examining CCTV and dredging Ponds.

The Police have to tread carefully and observe procedure, respect rights and being human can be thrown curve ***** buy the family who appear to be complicit, the whole area, potentially the country where she may have ended up, she may have still been alive and run away, she could have met with an accident or suicide, hindsight is a wonderful thing, all outcomes seem obvious once you have heard them, this is one small girl in the corner of a loft, she didn't have a GPS tag on, there were no signs saying "Dead Girl this way --->"

I sometimes wonder whether these kind of things are just a way for Police Haters to have a go at the Police, to lower confidence, to cause discomfort etc, there should never be complacency and incompetence, it should be weeded out but I really think this was just the case panning out.

Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ?
Yes it is true that the police have to be very careful how they go about their procedures, it has been known for rogues to get off a charge because of a minor mistake made by those investigating a crime.

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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Cases like this are just tragic. What possessed the scum to assault her in the first place? Drugs? Booze? Sheer stupidity? All of the above? And then to think, even in a panicked state, that her body could remain concealed within a home of one of the family, just beggars belief.

I think in a lot of such cases that the scum involved are totally amoral and can't even understand what they actually did wrong! Pretty awful thought though!

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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 05:03 PM
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To be fair to the OP, he all but guessed right!

Should've placed a wager at William Hill (sorry, that's out of order ).
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 05:04 PM
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The gene pool needs a cleansing!
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 05:24 PM
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Its not just the police who may have cocked up: Looks like they were known to social services too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19256569



Although I don't think the police did **** up...I think they had suspicions and were waiting. I'm guessing to move the body and catch them in the act as they knew it couldn't be kept there indefinetly. When that didn't happen, they had to call in a final search. The appeals and candle vigils are classic police "test tactics" on suspects.

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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 05:26 PM
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Of course they were known, all families like this are.

"The Local Safeguarding Children Board will now commission a serious case review, the standard procedure in a tragic case such as this.
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Old Aug 14, 2012 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Its not just the police who may have cocked up: Looks like they were known to social services too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19256569



Although I don't think the police did **** up...I think they had suspicions and were waiting. I'm guessing to move the body and catch them in the act as they knew it couldn't be kept there indefinetly. When that didn't happen, they had to call in a final search. The appeals and candle vigils are classic police "test tactics" on suspects.
Am I missing something? I didn't see anything in the article that implied the family was already known to social services.
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 12:34 AM
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Sorry it doesn't, I meant that I think it implies that they are known to SS.
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
Of course they were known, all families like this are.

"The Local Safeguarding Children Board will now commission a serious case review, the standard procedure in a tragic case such as this.
I can save them the bother and the expense to the taxpayer.

Report into death of Tia

Conclusion

Lessons will be learned.

End of report!
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 03:42 PM
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It is time that particular "cover all" comment was banned.

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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 03:50 PM
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What i don't get, because i don't know the law, is how they can keep the scumbag on remand till the next court appearance in November. I'm glad that they can because he's probably guilty, but does this mean that the Police know it will just be a formality and he will be found guilty because of DNA links or whatever? If there was even a small chance that he was the wrong man, wouldn't they be obliged to bail him?
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 04:21 PM
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regarding bail - he is probably safer off in jail !! (and maybe his previous history would mean he cant get bail??)
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
It is time that particular "cover all" comment was banned.

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Yes especially as it's just not true.
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Old Aug 15, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy

"The Local Safeguarding Children Board will now commission a serious case review, the standard procedure in a tragic case such as this.
Yep. and then come next summer it will all happen again.
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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Hmmmmmm - Wonder how long she has been dead for - apparently Tia's body was very badly decomposed - after six days??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml
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Old Aug 16, 2012 | 05:34 PM
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It would not surprise me at all if the grandmother was involved in all of this.
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Yes especially as it's just not true.
Exactly!

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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 03:23 PM
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It was announced today on the News that they still cannot say how she died. They said at first they thought she might have been smothered but I imagine they will have withdrawn that statement.

It all seems a bit strange as well as tragic to me.

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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 07:56 PM
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I still wonder jusy how long she has been dead.... As she was 'reported' missing by Hazell scum bag.... Who we don't trust! So she may have been dead for weeks....
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Old Aug 19, 2012 | 09:28 PM
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Don't they have CCTV of her in a shop the day before she was reported missing?
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