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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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The tragedy is that children do not deserve these scum as parents
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 05:11 PM
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We were wondering if the body was brought back to the house after an earlier unsuccessful search.

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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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Dont think her mother is missing

Metropolitan Police South East London Area Commander Neil Basu said a full search of the house last Sunday, which included the area where the body was found five days later, should have been more thorough.

"An early review has been conducted and it is now clear that human error delayed the discovery of the body within the house," he said.

"We have apologised to Tia's mother that our procedures did not lead to the discovery of the body on this search."
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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Interesting snippet from the telegraph.


Mr Basu said the house was first searched soon after Tia was reported missing, but this was not a “full search”.
“The second visit was a full search of the property with the consent of the occupiers," he said.
This search was conducted on August 5 over a period of two hours.
Mr Basu said: “All parts of the premises were searched including the location where a body was discovered five days later on Friday August 10.
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 06:04 PM
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Yup.
Was it missed in the search, or was the search thorough and the body has been moved to that location?

Time will tell.
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 06:12 PM
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Once the girl had been reported missing I assume the cops may have kept an eye on the house to keep away press but not a lot more until the last few days when she had failed to show up?

I can't see even our laughing policemen missing a body in a full search on a no-bit house.

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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 06:20 PM
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Why would we want to keep the press away? They've got more staff and more cameras then us, plus they can ask questions we can't.
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 06:26 PM
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Looks like the police have admitted they screwed up and the body hadn't been moved - they simply missed it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...was-found.html
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Hedgehog
Yup.
Was it missed in the search, or was the search thorough and the body has been moved to that location?

Time will tell.
Do you think that is likely given the constant police and press presence?

The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Do you think that is likely given the constant police and press presence?

The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?

Maybe they thought if the dogs had searched the house once they wouldn't search it again.
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Hedgehog
Why would we want to keep the press away? They've got more staff and more cameras then us, plus they can ask questions we can't.


Because I thought, wrongly it seems, that the press could become over intrusive and harass an already distressed family - always assuming it was a genuine case and all the necessary photos etc had been passed to the press.

Strikes me that you are being a little overprotective towards the police. But the truth will out, hopefully.

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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 08:27 PM
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No, when we're ****, I'll happily admit we're ****.

I genuinely don't think we've been **** in this instance. For reasons I've explained earlier in this thread, and that may well come out in time.
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Old Aug 11, 2012 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Hedgehog
No, when we're ****, I'll happily admit we're ****.

I genuinely don't think we've been **** in this instance. For reasons I've explained earlier in this thread, and that may well come out in time.
A senior Met officer is now on record as saying the body was missed in the earlier search because of "human error", so it sounds pretty **** to me.
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 11:32 AM
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And the grandmother's beloved boyfriend has now been charged.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...th-murder.html
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 12:12 PM
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as suspected she was found in the first place the police should have looked properly
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Do you think that is likely given the constant police and press presence?

The only thing I can think of is the loft isn't totally separate from next door hence the neighbours being arrested too? The body was hidden in the other house during the search, moved across the partial dividing wall? Why move it back though?
I think you have stated the most likely reason for the police not finding the body in the first place.

They probably moved the body back to prevent next door finding it accidentally after the coppers earlier searches.

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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 01:13 PM
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Actually admitting an error was made is, I feel, something. To be frank, if they had found her body last week, would it have made any difference, and the answer is no, she would still have been dead.
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 07:13 PM
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Postmorton won't be completed until next week to determine cause of death, gives the Olympic bandwagon time to get out of town.
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmadcap
Postmorton won't be completed until next week to determine cause of death, gives the Olympic bandwagon time to get out of town.
Why delay it? Bizzare.
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Why delay it? Bizzare.
Eyes of the world are on London, not the right time to reveal the antics of the great unwashed, courtesy of the UK welfare state to the eyes of the world. Let most of em get out of town, with the WORLDS tv cameras packed away.
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 08:32 PM
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Funny how some scumbag has killed a 12 year old girl and the Police end up on trial instead, coppers are only human, generally 12 year old kids don't go missing in their grandparents house and get stashed in the loft. Perhaps someone in the Police missed something but they found the poor girl pretty soon afterwards, it is a very fluid situation, maybe questions need answering, procedures reviewing, training improving but the Police didnt murder the girl and stick her in the loft. The Police probably had all available manpower out looking for her, combing countryside, examining CCTV and dredging Ponds.

The Police have to tread carefully and observe procedure, respect rights and being human can be thrown curve ***** buy the family who appear to be complicit, the whole area, potentially the country where she may have ended up, she may have still been alive and run away, she could have met with an accident or suicide, hindsight is a wonderful thing, all outcomes seem obvious once you have heard them, this is one small girl in the corner of a loft, she didn't have a GPS tag on, there were no signs saying "Dead Girl this way --->"

I sometimes wonder whether these kind of things are just a way for Police Haters to have a go at the Police, to lower confidence, to cause discomfort etc, there should never be complacency and incompetence, it should be weeded out but I really think this was just the case panning out.

Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ?

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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 10:06 PM
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"Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ? "

but her Mother isn't missing ?? (I think she hasn't appeared in front of the Media, being unable to take the strain...)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19234180

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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 10:43 PM
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Where's dad?
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Old Aug 12, 2012 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmadcap
Postmorton .





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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by albob
"Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ? "

but her Mother isn't missing ?? (I think she hasn't appeared in front of the Media, being unable to take the strain...)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19234180
Thought someone was saying she was missing ?
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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by J4CKO
Funny how some scumbag has killed a 12 year old girl and the Police end up on trial instead, coppers are only human, generally 12 year old kids don't go missing in their grandparents house and get stashed in the loft. Perhaps someone in the Police missed something but they found the poor girl pretty soon afterwards, it is a very fluid situation, maybe questions need answering, procedures reviewing, training improving but the Police didnt murder the girl and stick her in the loft. The Police probably had all available manpower out looking for her, combing countryside, examining CCTV and dredging Ponds.

The Police have to tread carefully and observe procedure, respect rights and being human can be thrown curve ***** buy the family who appear to be complicit, the whole area, potentially the country where she may have ended up, she may have still been alive and run away, she could have met with an accident or suicide, hindsight is a wonderful thing, all outcomes seem obvious once you have heard them, this is one small girl in the corner of a loft, she didn't have a GPS tag on, there were no signs saying "Dead Girl this way --->"

I sometimes wonder whether these kind of things are just a way for Police Haters to have a go at the Police, to lower confidence, to cause discomfort etc, there should never be complacency and incompetence, it should be weeded out but I really think this was just the case panning out.

Now, perhaps focus on the rogues gallery that has been arrested and ponder where her mother is ?
but if you go into most lofts they are filthy, as soon as you move anything there is dust and major signs of a disturbance so imo someone just didnt bother looking in the loft
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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JDM_Stig
but if you go into most lofts they are filthy, as soon as you move anything there is dust and major signs of a disturbance so imo someone just didnt bother looking in the loft
Not true, depends on how much a loft is used, I grant you if it's just full of insulation then that would be the case, if the loft is boarded out however and used for storage it may not be the case.
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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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What if the post mortem says she has only been dead for 4 days, for example. Now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.

She still hasn't been formerly identified either, which is a bit odd, despite the guy being charged with the murder of Tia Sharpe

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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
What if the post mortem says she has only been dead for 4 days, for example. Now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.

She still hasn't been formerly identified either, which is a bit odd, despite the guy being charged with the murder of Tia Sharpe

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Maybe the remains are in a bad way?
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Old Aug 13, 2012 | 11:56 AM
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Cases like this are just tragic. What possessed the scum to assault her in the first place? Drugs? Booze? Sheer stupidity? All of the above? And then to think, even in a panicked state, that her body could remain concealed within a home of one of the family, just beggars belief.
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