wr1 0-100 time
05 August 2013, 06:52 PM
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Thanks for the mixed bag of emotions. I’m sorry if I have upset a few of you, but please don’t shot the messenger. In additional to attaining a GCSE in CDT I further studied astrology, hence know a thing or two about aerodynamics. So just a quick lesson – of course a Ferrari is going to be faster. Contact patch is irrelevant if a) your co-drag efficient is sub .33 and b) you got potso cash in an off shore account. Much there is on the iterweb (URLs) about the handling characteristics of the WR1 v RB320. The issue is that the RB320 will typically not under steer due to the rev limiter (right foot) of the RB driver. Most have leather seat upgrade so that they can wipe the seats clean if any of their shopping bags fall over on the way back from Asda. Also – RB's should check this, the Michelin Corsar tyre has a directional tread pattern which was side specific – nearly 78.64% of them were fitted on the wrong side. Whilst outer nub textuals may say (left or right) it’s a yellow square on the inside wall which should have the acronym “PEN15". You can either take the wheels off and check or run your hand around the inside wall as the lettering sits proud of the tyre. If you struggle to feel "PEN15" then I'd take to a main Subaru dealership and have them look for your "PEN15". Quite a few RB's are finding they don't have one.
Please have patients with me as I'm new to Subaru's and have a lot to learn.
I would just like to thank "thenewgalaxy" for the retard comment - my legal team will be working with you on a twitter-esque slander "settle on the steps" package - I'm hoping this will pay for a full decat system and one of those magic tree 'new car scent' smellys (mum always comments on how clean the car is with a fresh one opened). For this I thank you.
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Please have patients with me as I'm new to Subaru's and have a lot to learn.
I would just like to thank "thenewgalaxy" for the retard comment - my legal team will be working with you on a twitter-esque slander "settle on the steps" package - I'm hoping this will pay for a full decat system and one of those magic tree 'new car scent' smellys (mum always comments on how clean the car is with a fresh one opened). For this I thank you.
If you need any more tecnica (see what I did there) help feel free to PM me.
Best WE!
05 August 2013, 07:30 PM
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I publicly apologise if I have offended you, a sarcastic reference to Mr Garrison expressing his dismay at a student's incorrect answer is hardly a twitter-esque hatred comment.
I digress.
I think you need to take one of these cars out rather than over analyse tread patterns on cars. The amount of drag is not sufficient to delay a car's 0-100 time by a whole two seconds especially when it produces more torque. The fact is that the WR1 was never able to reproduce the claimed performance figures in any test and probably represented an over-optimistic mathematical calculation of what the car was capable of in favourable conditions (e.g. downhill and with the wind behind it). It is a dynamically less able car than the RB320 and not as fast in a straight line.
Furthermore, astrology is the alleged study of the relationship between human events and events that occur beyond the borders of our planet. I suspect it would have taught you little about mathematics and drag coefficients.
I digress.
I think you need to take one of these cars out rather than over analyse tread patterns on cars. The amount of drag is not sufficient to delay a car's 0-100 time by a whole two seconds especially when it produces more torque. The fact is that the WR1 was never able to reproduce the claimed performance figures in any test and probably represented an over-optimistic mathematical calculation of what the car was capable of in favourable conditions (e.g. downhill and with the wind behind it). It is a dynamically less able car than the RB320 and not as fast in a straight line.
Furthermore, astrology is the alleged study of the relationship between human events and events that occur beyond the borders of our planet. I suspect it would have taught you little about mathematics and drag coefficients.
05 August 2013, 11:09 PM
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I never said the RB320 handled worse than the WR1 
, Obviously the RB320 being wider tracked, having better geometry setup, bilsteins, splitter, diffuser, sticky wider tyres (Yes ours came with Corsairs from the main dealer) active yaw sensors and being a significantly newer car to the WR1, its fairly obvious that the RB320 is going to handle better. 
However on a track the WR1 is (in my opinion) the more fun car to drive 
as it has the better 'rev the ***** off it' engine that wont melt (unless you start tinkering with it 
), plus it feels lighter and more old school without all the driver aids of the rb320. I mean active yaw sensors is encroaching on Evo territory i.e. you might as well be a passenger and let the computer drive the car for you. 
Reach the limit in a wr1 and you can feel it on the limit and you can react to get out of it. Understeer is safer than oversteer
... With the newer breed of cars like evos and GTR's, yes they are faster round track and great machines with their new gadgets but it does take something (Skill?) away from the driver.
05 August 2013, 11:15 PM
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I never said the RB320 handled worse than the WR1 , Obviously the RB320 being wider tracked, having better geometry setup, bilsteins, splitter, diffuser, sticky wider tyres (Yes ours came with Corsairs from the main dealer) active yaw sensors and being a significantly newer car to the WR1, its fairly obvious that the RB320 is going to handle better. However on a track the WR1 is (in my opinion) the more fun car to drive as it has the better 'rev the ***** off it' engine that wont melt (unless you start tinkering with it ), plus it feels lighter and more old school without all the driver aids of the rb320. I mean active yaw sensors is encroaching on Evo territory i.e. you might as well be a passenger and let the computer drive the car for you. Reach the limit in a wr1 and you can feel it on the limit and you can react to get out of it. Understeer is safer than oversteer
... With the newer breed of cars like evos and GTR's, yes they are faster round track and great machines with their new gadgets but it does take something (Skill?) away from the driver.
06 August 2013, 01:43 AM
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Thanks for the mixed bag of emotions. I’m sorry if I have upset a few of you, but please don’t shot the messenger. In additional to attaining a GCSE in CDT I further studied astrology, hence know a thing or two about aerodynamics. So just a quick lesson – of course a Ferrari is going to be faster. Contact patch is irrelevant if a) your co-drag efficient is sub .33 and b) you got potso cash in an off shore account. Much there is on the iterweb (URLs) about the handling characteristics of the WR1 v RB320. The issue is that the RB320 will typically not under steer due to the rev limiter (right foot) of the RB driver. Most have leather seat upgrade so that they can wipe the seats clean if any of their shopping bags fall over on the way back from Asda. Also – RB's should check this, the Michelin Corsar tyre has a directional tread pattern which was side specific – nearly 78.64% of them were fitted on the wrong side. Whilst outer nub textuals may say (left or right) it’s a yellow square on the inside wall which should have the acronym “PEN15". You can either take the wheels off and check or run your hand around the inside wall as the lettering sits proud of the tyre. If you struggle to feel "PEN15" then I'd take to a main Subaru dealership and have them look for your "PEN15". Quite a few RB's are finding they don't have one.
Please have patients with me as I'm new to Subaru's and have a lot to learn.
I would just like to thank "thenewgalaxy" for the retard comment - my legal team will be working with you on a twitter-esque slander "settle on the steps" package - I'm hoping this will pay for a full decat system and one of those magic tree 'new car scent' smellys (mum always comments on how clean the car is with a fresh one opened). For this I thank you.
If you need any more tecnica (see what I did there) help feel free to PM me.
Best WE!
Please have patients with me as I'm new to Subaru's and have a lot to learn.
I would just like to thank "thenewgalaxy" for the retard comment - my legal team will be working with you on a twitter-esque slander "settle on the steps" package - I'm hoping this will pay for a full decat system and one of those magic tree 'new car scent' smellys (mum always comments on how clean the car is with a fresh one opened). For this I thank you.
If you need any more tecnica (see what I did there) help feel free to PM me.
Best WE!
R U related to Professor Stanley Unwin, or did you base your thesis on him?
PS on a professional note very clever and admiration for the stunt.
06 August 2013, 09:10 AM
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You know what I mean! I have driven both in anger around the nurburgring which highlights good and bad points about both. Whilst the RB320 can corner faster and handles better the WR1 was the more fun car to drive in my opinion. I prefer keeping the revs up, and knowing when its getting out of shape well in advance of any trouble. Sounds like you need to drive them back to back to see what I mean.
I didnt say the RB320 has AYC I said it had active yaw sensors, these link to the DCCD system as far as I am aware and help push power around to get the faster cornering speeds / traction etc. If its news to you, feel free to take a look here:
http://www.rb320ownersclub.co.uk/ind...showtopic=2810
Under the heading Safety you will see "Driver controlled centre differential with yaw rate sensor "
06 August 2013, 01:00 PM
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so your saying the WR1 doesn't under steer because it has DCCD ?
Mitsubishi Evo 8 car review - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube
Mitsubishi Evo 8 car review - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube
06 August 2013, 01:01 PM
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(I'm assuming that there isn't a reference to a barbeque in there).
PS It is possible - if you throw it off a cliff and let gravity do the work.
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06 August 2013, 01:01 PM
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06 August 2013, 01:03 PM
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Regardless of your opinion on the show you can clearly see the WR1 under steer. Something you said it doesn't because it has DCCD.
06 August 2013, 01:07 PM
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Yup. Throw money at the RB's engine and its greatly improved. Throw money At the WR1's handling and it will be greatly improved. Out the box it handled like a shopping trolly.
06 August 2013, 01:12 PM
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06 August 2013, 01:15 PM
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Although my Mondeo was an ex police car so may have had a few tweaks.
06 August 2013, 01:18 PM
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...of course you can overwhelm it with too much speed when it's in 50/50 and a chassis that is set up to be safe, i.e. understeer first...but all imprezas are like that. Click the DCCD back a notch or two and it wouldn't understeer, hence my comments about the programmes factual value
