Ant

Sorry I didn't assume it was fact as you recently said there was no troops in Iraq when I know full well there was/is

So sorry for doubting your intel.

I missed the news bits do you have any recent links I could look at? I interested in what their talks entail.

Leslie

By the same token, such organisations should not be encouraged to believe that murderous behaviour is the key to success in the future!

Les

Jamz3k

Nelson Mandela.

Everyone loves terrorist!

An0n0m0us

The SAS should have taken him and Adams out a very long time ago. It does not sit well with me she has shaken hands with that terrorist c**t.

Twin Fields

The Queen is shaking hands with the wrong McGuinness. She should be going out of her way to give big John a pat on the back, especially after he got another couple of wins at the Isle Of Man TT again this year.

Jamz3k

Why does it not sit well with you? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

An0n0m0us

Because Adams (political face of IRA or not he has blood on his hands) and McGuinness are terrorists responsible for the deaths of many innocent people including children. Forgive them and move on? Not a chance. You don't forgive terrorists just like the USA wouldn't have forgiven OBL if he had wanted to shake hands before being assassinated.

Jamz3k

Are you a fool? the USA love terrorists infact they love the IRA and their fight for freedom, they bankrolled them. The IRA aren't even considered terrorists to the American people or government, they are freedom fighters against the awful British.

An0n0m0us

You obviously can't read. No where did I say anything about USA and their opinions on IRA and i'm fully aware of their idiotic ideals of what the IRA are.

Jamz3k

I was merely pointing out how stupid I thought your post was.

An0n0m0us

Why? Because some of us don't believe in forgiving murderers?

Jamz3k

No, because you used America as an example of how terrorists are treated.

An0n0m0us

I simply stated not all countries are prepared to forgive terrorism, and whilst a poor example as OBL is dead it is the most obvious comparison being that Al Qaeda is the the #1 terrorist organisation on the planet and the USA is it's #1 target.

I can't accept our head of state shaking hands with a cold blooded murderer as a good thing to do. That is how I feel. She has done it now and I understand the reasons for doing so but I still don't agree with it.

Jamz3k

Sure she has been shaking the hand of prime ministers for years, most of them have the blood of innocent people on their hands.

An0n0m0us

And you call my post stupid when you compare shaking hands with a country's Prime Minister to that of a shaking hands with a terrorist.

CharlySkunkWeed

iTrader: (7)

This is all very interesting , but as long as there are relitives of people that got killed on either side , there will always be grudges. Damed if u do , damed if u dont.

Time to call it quits.

hodgy0_2

Mugabe Assad ?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I can see Jamz point;

You say America would not shake hands with OBL (well a bit moot since they assasinated him) and Al-Qaida is its number one enemy...Still hypocritcal as the USA originally funded it!

So here we have same country that provided funding for the IRA, whom also provided funding to the groups that are now better known as Al-Qaida.

Point being; America did shake hands with Al-Qaida's founders just so it could spite the Russians.

Jamz3k

What's the difference?

CharlySkunkWeed

iTrader: (7)

Nothing , just Adams and McGuiness did theirs the opposite way round in their "carreers". They had a war , then went into politics , priministers go into politics the start wars !

GlesgaKiss

It's not nice at all, but one of those compromises that has to be beared for the ultimate outcome. I totally agree with Anonymous. It's pretty disgusting seeing him walking free, and I don't buy that freedom fighter tripe. Presumably the IRA targetted innocents to make a point. That makes them cold-blooded murderers and nothing else. And I am aware that lots of Americans support, but it's the same as much of the electorate in any country... they don't have a clue about the reality of the situation or are just too f*cking stupid to have principles that apply equality to all in the country where that is supposedly the most important thing. This is worse in America because it is so insular. Who knows what warped ideas they had/have about the IRA.

An0n0m0us

They aren't terrorists but tyrants/dictators? Perhaps nearly as bad but I haven't seen our head of state shaking hands with either of those 2 since they committed the atrocities they are responsible for.

An0n0m0us

OK so to just get this clear from your post/replies you think David Cameron as Prime Minister is as bad a person as OBL? You can distinguish no difference between the two?

An0n0m0us

OBL was not Al Qaeda when the USA was funding him fighting the Russians. At that time he was fighting for Afghanistan's tribal population (what was called the Mujahideen) against the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. OBL also had residences in London and was an ally of the West. He was welcomed with open arms at that time.

Al Qaeda was born when the USA basically fcuked him over at the end of the Russian/Afghan war and he used religion to twist and turn its values to an extremist ideal to gather support to fight the USA simply to get revenge for them ******* him over. None of it for him was about religion, that was just a vehicle for him to use to get Worldwide support through extremist Islamic teachings. His terrorism was born from the way he was treated by the CIA and US government when the Afghan war ended.

dpb

Obl is very bad example

Mandela is a better one , he was a terrorist who subsequently was elected and has shaken the hand of most heads of state

urban

iTrader: (1)

Exactly

^Qwerty^

McGuinness will have pissed off a few of his own by shaking the queens hand - it works both ways.

Jamz3k

Why do u keep mentioning OBL? Do you not have the ability to talk about the actual point of this thread. To answer you though, Cameron isn't as bad as OBL, Blair on the other hand....well I wonder out of the 2 who actually killed more innocent people.

Leslie

Why should the passage of time make any difference to his responsibilities?

If I had been in Prince Philip's place I would have found it very difficult to resist aiming a flying kick at his "fergibblers"

I think it was intolerable to put the Queen in such a position.

Les