Geezer

He didn't. It's well documented what he believed, and it certanily wasn't God. Christians'don't let that get in the way though, they have faith he didn't......

Geezer

Leslie

Its a measure of human nature in general and how limited one's power of personal vision happens to be. Doesn't seem weird to me!

Les

Carlh

Read this link below, its widened my eyes to what beliefs are after death and what supposedly goes on. BEFORE any comes back and just calls it a crock of ****, its an accumulation of information from various medium's. Looking at the bigger picture where a LOT agree on the same principle idea, something great might just be waiting for us when we pass over.

The only reason I started reading things like this, was when my wife passed away. I had nothing, no one to talk about what i was going through, I needed to know if she was ok. The medium I saw didnt want payment, she told me stuff about my job that she could never have known. I wont bore you with details, anyway, the information she provided did give me some comfort, hence I wanted to look into what might be happening "on the other side".

http://www.cosmicchrist.net/Astral_P...roup_karma.htm

Geezer

Look up Pascal's Wager.......

It didn't. Most of human history is full of cruelty, intolerance, sexism, racism, slavery and war. A lot of it is related to people following religion, and the belief that we are better than them because some religious text says so.

The world only started to become a slightly better place to live because of science and humanism, not in spite of it. Today's problems are mainly due to over population, not lack of belief in some made up deity. Some of the worst poverty and suffering in the modern world are because people stick to outdated religious views causing a huge population explosion, somewhat ironically enabled by science


I'm not really sure what you're getting at here Les, but it doesn't seem to make much sense!

Geezer

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Of course it works sometimes: I've said it before, but religion is a tool of humanity, nothing more, nothing less.

Like all tools of humanity (including science), it is not inherently good or bad - it is the application of the tool that matters.

Torquemada

In answer to the OP Simple coincidence IMO - why read more into it though? Why do you have to, why does anyone have to? Who gives a ****, the woman is better, temporarily.

No one beats cancer, it just hangs around somewhere else waiting to pop back and finish you off when everything seems just peachy. Those who do "beat cancer" usually just die of something else before it gets a chance to pop back and finish them off.

Who Me? personal history/background with this kinda stuff? Nooooooo, never!

Anyway, on religion and in response to the 'believers' - which religion is the right one to follow?
Which one promises the most when I cark it? and just how much faith should I put in the particular religion I choose to follow, should I believe in everything written about the chosen religion, word for word? Or should I just choose the bits that I like or the ones that fit in with the particular cultures that the surrounding society follow/allow or are happy to coexist with?

I understand that there are many religions out there and quite a few do say that theirs is the only way, how can I be sure, why should I be sure?

I've heard that following a religion will make me a better person but when I was out the other day, just getting ready to put someone to death for recently bad-mouthing the old head honcho deity, I was told it was not morally or legally correct to do, but the books someone gave me to follow and learn from didn't mention 21st century law or human rights......what should I do, oh faith-filled ones, should I make it up as I go along!!!?

Now where's that sodding popcorn........

jonc

What you need is some sort of faith comparison or supermarket site to help you make an informed decision or if you find your faith just doesn't answer your prayers some sort of uswitch site.

Torquemada

Now that would be bang on the money! With so many religions and beliefs to choose from and with the average 'yet-to-believe' having so little time, this would be great - something like this http://www.patheos.com/Library/Lense...371&path3=x242 but with more money grabbing motives (making it at least somewhat in line with many religions or belief systems )

JohnSmith

Why didn't you just 'everyone dies'

Bit of a ridiculous statement really, Cancer will always come back and kill you but if it doesnt you will die of something else

I have had cancer twice does that mean I will die of cancer ? Third time lucky and all that ?

Torquemada

No, not ridiculous to me, just not in line with YOUR experience/opinion and a little negatively tainted by my own experiences. So I'll not be apologising for that.

I was just being a miserable bastid, as is my miserable right! You may or may not die of cancer next time round, I might do, anyone might. You might get hit by a bus tomorrow but most people I know/have known are/were never truly rid of cancer and it was in their lives for the remainder - *physically or mentally.

Maybe the line I put in there about me having a specifically personal view/backstory on this might have been a little hint, eh?

So did religion cure you then?

Geezer

It's a crock......

Seriously though, you say it's written by a medium, and has experiences of mediums? What a balanced piece of writing that will be!

If you honestly believe these people can say something about you which "they couldn't have known" just go and see Derren Brown doing one of his shows.

I bet her gratis work for you generated a lot of business. That's not altruism, it simply good business sense!

Geezer

jonc

Give it a couple of thousand years and it may turn out to be the best selling literature of all time!

JohnSmith

I personally think it was a bit ridiculous to say that if you dont die of cancer you will die of something else, as it is a 100% given as we all die of something

Most people I know that have had cancer and beaten it, are still around today and don't have it

My previous posts would be a hint that religion didn't cure me too

Torquemada

Fair do's - you wanna say ridiculous, I will not stop you and that's just fine with me and the internet

My bitterness at cancer is fun for all the family - my point was that cancer tends to come back and **** you up when least expected, sometimes something else gets you before it comes back around. The point wasn't that we all die of something, duh, it was that cancer comes back and tries it's best to keep doing so. I have not and will not say this is a scientific fact, it is my twisted view on it through my own experiences.

I'll say it again, it was ridiculous to you (probably many others) but that's just the way I like it and I try not to just agree or change my opinions just to avoid others' offence at my own opinion (twisted or not). You may or may not get what or why I say what I say (maybe the response would be "because you're a ****, Tom", but that's also just fine), if not, who cares, I shan't berate you for that! The kings of the internet can get on with that malarky

Anyhoo, glad to hear that good old science has you in remission! Jebus was good at CPR but definitely no good at administering chemo!

JohnSmith

Cheers,

I probably misread your comment, yes I agree Cancer does have a nasty habit of rearing its ugly head, my Family too has had it's fair share (not just with me)

I beat C twice and I no longer believe in religion (apart from how it ***** things up) I didn;t when I had C which is now 20 or so years ago, my Grandad was riddled with it, which resulted in my Nan's death which resulted in his death and they went to church every sunday and prayed a lot

It isn't why I no longer believe, Church / Priests et calways made (and makes) me slightly uncomfortable (and no I wasn't touched by one )

jef

iTrader: (13)

but quantam mechanics doesnt tie in with laws that govern the very large, ie gravity, these laws are very good and effictive but they ultimately fall short in a complete understanding.
many theories are taken as gospel but even the people that come up with them accept its just likely, not definiate. and thats in reffereance to the things we are exposed to.
at the simplest level human vision exists in its form to prove an adequate veiw to enable survival, maybe a bit better. but there are animals with much better vision, there are animals with senses humans dont have, so even creatures on this planet have different veiws of surroundings.

is it not quite likely other life may be quite different to what we see?

im sure as scientists explore and look through the universe, there infatc looking for fantastic and unexpected things in there attempt to discover. thats the dive imo

back to religion lol

jef

iTrader: (13)

in referrance to the highlighted point, id agree these times were horrific in behaviour displayed, but this is not the centuries you state. theres little point in using such distant behaviour to rubbish the current state, imo

its not relevant in this day, for christianity anyway, in this country.

imo in this time it does littel damage, and provides more benefits than negatives

Leslie

It means just what it says Geezer. My apologies if it is difficult to understand,that is down to my own limitations with the way I expressed it.

Les

22BUK

I think most of us probably have a great deal of respect for David Attenborough, so his response in the interview below has reinforced my atheist beliefs.
Perhaps some of the believers on here could give their views?


In a December 2005 interview with Simon Mayo on BBC Radio Five Live, Attenborough stated that he considers himself an agnostic. When asked whether his observation of the natural world has given him faith in a creator, he generally responds with some version of this story, making reference to the Loa loa parasitic worm:

Torquemada

Yeah it's a nasty little bugger, shame that so many are affected by it but survival rates are on the up.

Priests and Churches always seemed a bit odd to me as well, also without me having experienced the touchy feely side My brother used to just immediately burst into tears as a small child if he was taken anywhere near a church!

Bubba po

Don't be silly. The Divvel made all the crap animals.

JTaylor

Any creationists on S'net?

Geezer

I created a terrible smell in trap 1 before, does that count......

Geezer