Not to sure about that matty,my current uk turbo ran 242 bhp and hit 143 mph when fitted with prodrive ecu & 242 bhp.fter fiting vf 28 and suitable mods (328 bhp)my current car tops out in 4th gear at 135 mph and 161 @6300rpm and thats off my tom tom live 1000 .
M3 is restricted to 155 mph which is the same as a P1 with 276 bhp,so not a done deal imho.

 

Idea.

Will you bring your R over and stop his grins

 

Come on the classics

 

it will be mapped soon,it certainly covered the ground well at 340 so with 370 ish im expecting it to be nippy.
a hawk with same power would be a quick car no doubt and will probably have alot more torque,but power to weight would suggest type r to be very rapid,especially with the close ratio box.

it would be interesting.....

 

Exactly my thoughts mate. He may be the loser

 

Hawk will be quicker on attack as it's much better balanced and stiffer car, type r might be quick on the straights , but will be deffo outhandled on the bends. DCCD on the type r is acient comparing to hawks. Brakes are pants etc. So the whole package is not great I'm afraid. As much as Iove classics , tests have been done and proven , that new age cars behave better nowadays no matter the weight. But the most important thing IMHO is the driver. I love my classics for the rawness physical feel they give you, but I fully am aware of that new ages are more capable cars. It's just most new cars are too good and gives less feedback comparing to classic. But theres couple specials Spec C and Ra R . Would love one of those. Just my 2 p worth.

 

BTW M3's were crying on brands eve today. As mentioned , straight lines are for p****

 

161mph ????
What gearbox ?

Standard STI V6 will not see 160mph.

 

Didn't he mentioned UK car? Did they had longer gearing ? Interesting.

 

Std uk 5 speed box box definitely will & more importantly live to tell the tale another day
To me there is great satisfaction when you go past a bloke who has spent £40k+ on there Audi /bmw only for them not to be able to stay with a car 12yrs old , now that's value for money IMHO.
Classics may be quite old & dated now,but they can still mix it with newer, better eqipted/modern day cars. What they lack in refinement and build quality is made up by the the fact they can still cover ground at a rapid rate of knots and make put a smile on the face on the person behind the wheel.

 

classic v newage thread? not this again?

 

Only difference being that an M3 can sit at 155 all day long, any more than a moment in an old classic and you'll be booking it in for a rebuild.

 

^^ so true!! Before I bought my blob my daily ride was an E36 m3 Evo (still have it just ain't had much use lately, possibly for sale if anyone interested lol ) have had many an encounter with the young chavs with their go faster back box and stripes over the years, Most of them did have the legs on the bm during launch as the back wheels just light up if u drop the clutch, did beat the odd few tho, but not many have had the legs top flight! There have been a couple that have but they must have had some serious money spent on them!

As for above with the 155 that only applies if it aint even played with as mine would sail to the pin, it would hit the 155 in 5th with another gear left and I can honestly say the bm will out run the sti hands down and with ease, but the sti would blitz the bm of the line, like the posts say above if u can drive then general road use (within speed limits ) then I know my bm would not catch scoob full stop! Need big open roads for the bm to come in to it's own

 

does this help ths was last year in my old beloved version 6 which i bought standered but was running 347 bhp in this particular vid, my time was 125 cant member at the m3 was. but as u can see no match lol

 

ive had my old classic of the 160 mph clock running 347hp and als had my p1 of the clock running 330 hp when i first bought it with 5 speed and had it at 170 on 6 speed at 430 hp. to be honest they go well over 155 that was just me backing off everytime i hit the speedo and belive me they get there quick running over 400.

oh and by the way a 6 speed box slows ur car down by half a seccond as i found with my classic and p1

 

just another taster of the power of a 347 bhp classic

 

Obviously a classic running near 350bhp will be quicker than an M3, it's far lighter and has more power. And from a standing start an M3 will be no match for any classic.
I think that if both cars were rolling before the race began then it would of been much much closer.

160+ on a standard STI 5 speed, I'm a little dubious to be honest. We had 145 in a STI V2 one evening, car was running 305 and wouldn't go any faster. Remember that the UK boxes are longer so yes, maybe will touch 160.
However, I'm over 400bhp and using a P1 box, would I ever consider pushing it towards its top speed..... Would I ****,

 

yh my classic was a uk not an sti pobs why the engine blew up few months later but done me proud after sevral santapod days on standered internals. and ur right not worth riskin, reason why i only ever do it once in every car i have

 

anyway not sayin m3s are slow personally i think people just dont knw how to dive em. im gettin an e46 m3 very soon soo ill let u know how fast they really r lol u gota remeber were comparing a standeed car to cars hat have been heavily modified

 

never heard of a proper private road having a roundabout lol

steve

 

Your right there buddy, M3's are far from slow. Under 1600kg and with over 340bhp, once they are rolling they go well.
Would embarrass a standard newage STI and show up a classic in standard trim.

 

Type r gear box / final drive is geared for 157 mph top speed, don't know what uk 5th will do but i presume a bit more, banny put a graph up a while back which had all the final drive ratio's and speeds they were capable of, maybe he'll pop along and do it again.

As for the standard M3 in the right hands i recon it will be like the classic vs Newage and be a better balanced, better brakes affair.

I'm also not too sure about the high speed m3 vs newage as my old blob wrx was flashing an m3 to get out the way from ish 110mph up to off the clock, in germany.

 

Have to agree buddy, I ran a 12.9 @ 106 in my scoobs and it was 323bhp at the time. Scoobs should always get the best start, but M3 is better top end

 

Any idea what times your scoob made off the line, its 0-60 time was ?

 

My old wagon sti v5 hit 164 mph standard car even exhaust was oe 279 hp
Was a great car

 

i had a play with a e46 my in my p1 running 330bhp of the lights there was no compotition for the p1 get them both on a long straight road rolling at 70mph the p1 would keep up for a while but then the m3 would sail past
i have a friend who did 186 then bottled it according to his tomtom in his m3-full decat system cold air feed with big cone filter and a remap

 

This is very true, there's no way I'd attempt that in my classic and mine has a 6 speed and 420bhp but I'd happily do that in my M3 and it loves to cruise at speed and it's very deceptive, only thing stopping me is the law and the fact I like my license

To answer the original question around 310bhp upwards should be enough to stay with an M3 up to around 110-120mph but after that the M3 is faster at that power level. I don't think the 155 limiter is dead accurate and they can go on to around 165 but I've never tested that in mine

 

Paulo,
Slightly off topic but what brakes you using on you M3. The standard items are utter sh1te !
My buddy now has an 04 plate but did have a year old one a couple of years ago, both cars had terrible brakes.
He's looking to upgrade them, any thoughts ?

 

Ive had a couple of interesting moments with M3`s, Ive got to admit i do like the 04 plate M3 and even considered buying one last year but i like spanking them in a scooby even more. IMO they are too very different machines, The M3 has the speed power and luxury that works well with every day driving, Town, motorway etc....

My scoob is fine for most journeys but the motorway is i bit of a pain at 4k RPM @80mph, Great for putting my foot down as i have torque on tap when in 6th, That is the only downfall for me the motorway driving(not that it goes on there much), If i wanted a luxury car i`d have bought one but as childish as it sounds i much prefer having fun in a scoob that can put a lot of other cars to shame, I might grow up one day...........But i doubt it

 

Standard brakes on mine because it's just a standard daily driver. The brakes aren't that bad, I think it's down to pad compound because mine get a bit noisy when I work them hard.

It's quite surprising that BMW didn't put 4 pots or something similar on them but they do ok.