Couldn't agree more, too many do-gooders with double standards. The lights look superb, alot nicer than the orangy brown things that they came with.

I wound't go for lights that would blind other users but you wouldnt find the standard candles on my car.

 

One or two points to make, one or two questions to answer.

First off, I HAVE to say: lights are to SEE by, not to be SEEN. If you fit them because you think they "look good" you are an idiot OK? Glad that's out of the way

Second, When I got my headers off Harvey, I also got his trick-up-pipe new turbo, FMIC, induction kit etc etc and a full rebuild. I MIGHT have the rundown of what cost what somewhere, but I doubt I could put my hand on it.
Best to ask him.

Thridly, Classic Morettes and HIDs: yes, they work, but not REALLY much better than the classic OE headlight. You would be better with DECENT uprated halogens. It's the b@stard contraption that is an H4 HID that's the problem. There is no getting round it.
You either have cr@p dip, half decent main beam, or vice versa, or they compromise and BOTH are cr@p
The Morette LENS does a half-decent job of tyrying to control the beam, being Cibie, but it CANNOT overcome the inherent cr@pness of the bulb
I used to have Morettes and used halogens. They were pretty good, MUCH better than standard Scoob lights, see here, post 26: https://www.scoobynet.com/technical-...-lamp-kit.html

 

Out of the way my ring piece.

First off, IF you read my FIRST post clever-clogs, you WILL notice my second sentence EXPLAINS why I bought said lights. So regardless of how long you have been on here I certainly won't be called an idiot and take in on the chin. OK? Glad that's out of the way

Secondly thanks for ignoring my intial, and reasonable, question about the cost of your headers and instead boasting your engine spec, that was helpful. PERSONALLY if I had spent that much money on a rebuild and various bits I would keep the reciepts to HAND.
I will ask him direct.

 

Do you get this upset when a range rover is following you or do you not worry beause the range rovers lights are OE ??

I've been followed by both a boy racer with HID's fitted and a bloody Range Rover Sport. I can honestly say that the sports lights were far worse, I actually thought the guy had main beam on.

Now I don't agree with blinding other road users and yes it annoys me but hey, what you gonna do. Getting upset and blasting about it on the interweb isn't going help.
Chill out, let the guy get on with it. If they are THAT bad he will get done for it.

 

Everyone keeps mentioning Range Rovers without pausing to work to why their lights appear to be brighter than most..... hint....look at the height they are off the ground compared to most standard cars!!! Nothing to do with their lights being poor!

 

Well put it this way I have a car that has standard fit xenons and I have NEVER been flashed so maybe you're just unllucky eh?

 

No higher than my pals L200 and that doesn't dazzle half as bad.

 

I never flash other road users who have bright lights, it's a new thing that many modern cars now have and flashing them will do **** all.

 

Well you've obviously not seen the poor lighting set up on wrx287's hairdressingmobile then as he gets flashed all the time apparently

 

As I said I get flashed with my JDM OEM HID's, I just flash my main beams at them and yes they are set up

 

It's better than the bloody idiots you see driving with no lights on at all I suppose, now that is just stupid.

 

Dont tell F1 Fan that

 

As I said: idiot.

 

You (I suspect totally unintentional) are showing an element of ignorance to the REAL problem here.

It's nothing to do with the lighting height, but everything to do with how the lenses reflects the light in all directions. There is no relevance to the height of the vehicle and certainly no reference to a Range Rover.

I have an opinion and this is a public discussion forum..... that is a round peg in a round hole then. Just like you are doing, questioning my comments. Which is absolutely what this is type of forum is all about.

It is VERY rare that I ever get involved in threads like this with any great gusto, but for anyone to not realise the effect these HID's have on other road users, has to be blind or ignorant beyond belief.

I haven't got a problem with any individual being ignorant (I'm one of them lol).... but they just need to admit that in reality they are. Plain and simple.

You can go through giving reasons why this that and the other, but the fact remains.

 

My point being that it's not only HID's like the op has fitted that dazzle other road users, many modern cars fitted with these fancy lights do the same but people just shrug it off because they are OE...
The lad on here with the JDM, he openly admits that his lights dazzle but nobody gets on his case because his lights are OE.

Chill out, buy one of these -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380415779218?redirect=mobile

And flash the ******* to your hearts delight.

 

As yet you have failed to answer the question why you (and the other guy for that matter) get flashed all the time whereas I don't. I have factory fit xenons and have never been flashed so I wonder why that is.... I'll bet it's becuase mine are pointing to the right place in the road and yours.....????

 

Sorry but just by the simple law of physics you are wrong there. Of course the height off the ground has some effect .... it's so flipping obvious I really can't be bothered to say any more LOL! Or are you in fact saying Range Rover fit poor lenses???

 

Do 2 wrongs make a right then?

Because that's what you seem to be saying....

...if theirs are bad why don't we blind everyone too?

 

My Hawkeye STi has factory fitted Xenons and I still get flashed. Winds me right up.

 

LOL, of course you do. The light is brighter and a different colour.

My old MkI Escort had aftermarket Halogens on it, 55W bulbs where the standard was either a sealed beam, or British Prefocus, 48W bulb that was very yellowy.

I used to get flashed all the time. You learn to live with it.

Eventually, most cars will have HIDs and everyone will stop flashing you because they are used to it.

But f1fan is right: I can always tell when I've got a large van, Range Rover, People carrier etc behind me, because their lights are mounted higher so dazzle more.

 

there is another, though more expensive, alternative to HIDs.

Projector retrofit kits!

Very popular with motorcycles.

In a kit you get everything you need for two headlights. Best version is 4300k, best performance. Also, it doesn't blind other road users and has a very good cut-off line.

Cost me 140EUR shipped from Audago on German eBay.

 

Yes, see here: https://www.scoobynet.com/technical-...mpler-way.html

That was done last summer. Mine came from the USA, you need to be careful buying the kits and make sure you specify RIGHT HAND DRIVE, or the beam patterns will be wrong and it'll fail the MoT. Again, LOL.

You also need to have the classic's crystal lights fitted, it won't work properly with the earlier fluted lenses

 

Very few people flash guys like you though, what's the point ? Every other car now has Xenons or the like so if we flashed every car with overly bright lights we would be flashing all bloody night.
Like it or not, cars like yours have lights that dazzle other road users because they are so bright. FFS, there is two guys who have posted on THIS thread with factory fitted lights that have been flashed. Oh hang on, I guess both haven't had their lights set up correctly right ???

 

Some of it is folk who see the extra brightness and ASSUME it's dazzling them.

Just like they used to do with my Cibie Biodes, whose cutoff was perfect.

In fact it was MUCH better than the old type, but, being brighter, attracted attention.

 

That's not what I'm saying at all chap, but everybody is giving the OP grief like he is the only guy on the road with bright lights. Every other car now has super bright lights do they not ??

 

Despite what some people think, there is credibility to this (apart from the fact it`s bloody obvious). When I had my FTO, EVERY car dazzled me, simply because it was so bloody low

 

With classic Imprezas, which part of the light controls the beam's dip (RHD vs LHD)? The glass (the lines in it) or the silvery reflector?

 

Perhaps you need to re-read what I put. I'm on about the scatter effect. I'm not aware of any "flipping obvious" physics law that suggests that has anything to do with headlamp height.

I'm not saying there is a problem with Range Rovers. I'm saying this is about the scatter effect, which has nothing to do with Range Rovers... Which I don't have an issue with, as there is no scatter issue.

 

Surely if the light was angled towards near side and downward on dipped beam (as it should be) then regardless of the height it should not dazzle other road users.

 

On the early cars, with heavily fluted glass lenses, it was the lens.

On later cars, with the CLEAR elnses, it was the refelector.