J4CKO's midle aged spread...
01 June 2012, 11:37 AM
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True.
Losing a lot of weight at older age can make people look dreadful, I agree. Bones start to separate from the muscle and skin at older age as it is. Some people remain tighter for longer than others, but most still look their age. A lot of people are living in denial these days, but physical maturity is not that difficult to spot apart from some very fortunate cases. I know a cyclist who is superfit but you can tell his older age, because he is evidently aged. He is healthy because he is exercise-oriented and eats well. But his bones look as if you could snap them in two any time, and he has matchstick legs. He was lean with muscles at his younger-than-now years, but not any more. And no, he is not a veggie. A lot of older but superfit aerobic instructors/circuit trainers look so pruned and frail when they go for their daily runs in their lycras. A lot of them look older than what they are. This makes one think whether its worth exercising that hard, to look like a prune, or should one try utmost to keep one's skin close to the bones/look well-hydrated. Botox is a solution to reverse the prune status, but it makes one look as if he/she has just come out of a boxing ring, got knocked about something chronic, hence the swelling. Cosmetic surgery is there too, but that is very expensive.Therefore I suggest balanced life-style and self-acceptance. Drink plenty of water. That's good for you.
Losing a lot of weight at older age can make people look dreadful, I agree. Bones start to separate from the muscle and skin at older age as it is. Some people remain tighter for longer than others, but most still look their age. A lot of people are living in denial these days, but physical maturity is not that difficult to spot apart from some very fortunate cases. I know a cyclist who is superfit but you can tell his older age, because he is evidently aged. He is healthy because he is exercise-oriented and eats well. But his bones look as if you could snap them in two any time, and he has matchstick legs. He was lean with muscles at his younger-than-now years, but not any more. And no, he is not a veggie. A lot of older but superfit aerobic instructors/circuit trainers look so pruned and frail when they go for their daily runs in their lycras. A lot of them look older than what they are. This makes one think whether its worth exercising that hard, to look like a prune, or should one try utmost to keep one's skin close to the bones/look well-hydrated. Botox is a solution to reverse the prune status, but it makes one look as if he/she has just come out of a boxing ring, got knocked about something chronic, hence the swelling. Cosmetic surgery is there too, but that is very expensive.Therefore I suggest balanced life-style and self-acceptance. Drink plenty of water. That's good for you.
01 June 2012, 08:34 PM
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Well, tonight was the first "treats" I have had, had a curry but was fairly restrained, wasnt much cop really but had a bit of Fruit and Nut just now with a Brew, no regrets, was awesome !
Back on the wagon in the morning, stuff tastes so much better when it is limited and only occasional, think we have got fat as a nation because we have treats all the time.
Didn't have any alcohol, minimal urge for some earlier but soon passed, think I may have kind of broken my habit a bit, didn't have the five o clock panic to ensure I had enough in.
Back on the wagon in the morning, stuff tastes so much better when it is limited and only occasional, think we have got fat as a nation because we have treats all the time.
Didn't have any alcohol, minimal urge for some earlier but soon passed, think I may have kind of broken my habit a bit, didn't have the five o clock panic to ensure I had enough in.
05 June 2012, 03:40 PM
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It's hard eating very little. I had about 1200 cal yesterday. Woke up at 6am and felt faint and sick, couldn't go back to sleep so hungry, so ate a protein bar. I'm thinking 1200 is too low for me so I'm aiming for 1500 now.
05 June 2012, 06:02 PM
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Yes, I now seem to have more willpower than ever before, finding it dead easy to turn down desserts, beer, wine, sweets, crisps, cakes and biscuits, I am not eating the minute I feel peckish but it does end up with me feeling crap from not eating enough, hat is the thing with losing weigh, you can only do it so fast, a sustained and sustainable drop in calorie intake, this isn't a hunger strike.
05 June 2012, 06:12 PM
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Yes, I now seem to have more willpower than ever before, finding it dead easy to turn down desserts, beer, wine, sweets, crisps, cakes and biscuits, I am not eating the minute I feel peckish but it does end up with me feeling crap from not eating enough, hat is the thing with losing weigh, you can only do it so fast, a sustained and sustainable drop in calorie intake, this isn't a hunger strike.
05 June 2012, 06:32 PM
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It has made me more aware of my weight, things like hoiking my fat *** out of my old 944 is a little easier, my belt is now two inches smaller, has also made me aware of how fat we are as a population and you end up comparing yourself, most people arent in the ideal weight range and there are so many really big people, the kind that in the eighties as kids we would have seen as an eight wonder of the world.
Like you say about the extra 80 cal HobNob, it is no wonder really, even an average 10 cal a day surplus is a pound over a year, easy to see how most people put a couple of stone on from being 20 to 40, it is also why this is going to take a while to get off, you don't consider the extra 50, 100, 200 cals as it goes on but a 500 cal deficit takes some thought, you expect quick results but even a bigger deficit and exercise don't shift it in a few days.
Like you say about the extra 80 cal HobNob, it is no wonder really, even an average 10 cal a day surplus is a pound over a year, easy to see how most people put a couple of stone on from being 20 to 40, it is also why this is going to take a while to get off, you don't consider the extra 50, 100, 200 cals as it goes on but a 500 cal deficit takes some thought, you expect quick results but even a bigger deficit and exercise don't shift it in a few days.
06 June 2012, 09:02 AM
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My "diet" hasn't been too bad, although I had a Maccy D's yesterday. I did then undertake some vigorous car cleaning and polishing (circa 300 calories) but that hardly dented the 1100 calories!!! 
Food-wise, I had a gig on B/Holiday monday so burned a LOT of calories (almost my daily allowance).
I've also had a to take a bit of time off the cardio exercise due to straining a groin muscle
fecking HUGE bruise too.
Doing some light exercise in the meantime just to break into some sweats.
Back to "normality" today. We shall see.
Food-wise, I had a gig on B/Holiday monday so burned a LOT of calories (almost my daily allowance).
I've also had a to take a bit of time off the cardio exercise due to straining a groin muscle
fecking HUGE bruise too.Doing some light exercise in the meantime just to break into some sweats.
Back to "normality" today. We shall see.
07 June 2012, 08:46 AM
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I managed the BH weekend without any major lapses, still, stuck at 16.4 for a few days now, need to see it drop now as feel like I am putting in the effort, however it is easy to get disheartened, just need to keep at it as it will come off at some point, am eating less than I use so like when it goes on when I eat more it will come off, even my body cant go against Physics !
10 June 2012, 09:46 PM
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I cracked today. Had 500 cal of chocolate. Puts me at about 2000 cal today.I was feeling faint and couldn't resist it.
Need to eat some carbs at lunch I have decided or it's too much then having a carb free dinner. Start feeling like ****e.
Puts me at about 2000 cal today.I was feeling faint and couldn't resist it. Need to eat some carbs at lunch I have decided or it's too much then having a carb free dinner. Start feeling like ****e.
10 June 2012, 10:12 PM
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10 June 2012, 10:15 PM
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Oh and my Son has been doing the exercises on the youtube vid I posted, the one that has given me the gripes. He has lost 8 lb in one month 
He has not changed his eating habits, except for slightly smaller portions. He did not need to lose weight, just to tone up a bit. Good going, Son 
He has not changed his eating habits, except for slightly smaller portions. He did not need to lose weight, just to tone up a bit. Good going, Son
10 June 2012, 10:40 PM
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10 June 2012, 10:47 PM
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Tony, me as well, been told 1500 isn't enough, have been feeling pathetic so going for 2000, been out gardening, polished two cars, walked the dog, can't operate with activity at less than basal metabolic rate, was getting headaches.
10 June 2012, 10:55 PM
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I had a slow start and after a quick initial loss (water I guess), my weight went back up. However now I'm regularly at the gym it has started to have an effect. Not shedding it at a massive rate of knots but at least it's going the right way now!
12 June 2012, 10:35 PM
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This is an interesting calculator, been having a rethink as 1500 calories is not enough to keep me going !
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
It reckons my Base Metabolic rate is 2127, thats me at 228 lbs, 41, 6ft, so the absolute minimum I use to be alive, that is actually quite a lot of food, I guess I am not very economical as organisms go.
My TDEE, that is Total Daily Energy Expenditure is, on the 2-3 hours of light exercise, i.e. one up from never moves and sits at a desk, suspect I am possibly a bit more active than this but it says 2925 calories to maintain weight.
I had just under 2000 calories today, this for a 15 percent fat loss is suggesting 2486 calories, going to see how I go on 2000, 1500 isnt sustainable but I suspect 2486 may be a little ott.
I have never really actually realised what I need to eat, think I have always been on the money plus a handful of calories, hence the slow weight gain, the obvious reaction is to kind of go for it to get the weight off as quickly as possible but it seems to be impossible and counterproductive so going to work on eating more than that, seems easy to do as it is just eating normally but thinking about it and not going mental, just accepting it will take a while, just need to see some progress at this higher limit.
Suspect Jef will be having a wry smile at this, just a case of learning I think, amazing what you come across when you are looking, like a lot of weight loss if you under eat is water, we kind of know that but it is basically you using all your bodies Glycogen which is bound to water.
Also my resting pulse is 50 odd, between 53 and 62, averaging 59 which seems lower than it used to be.
How is everyone else getting on ?
http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/
It reckons my Base Metabolic rate is 2127, thats me at 228 lbs, 41, 6ft, so the absolute minimum I use to be alive, that is actually quite a lot of food, I guess I am not very economical as organisms go.
My TDEE, that is Total Daily Energy Expenditure is, on the 2-3 hours of light exercise, i.e. one up from never moves and sits at a desk, suspect I am possibly a bit more active than this but it says 2925 calories to maintain weight.
I had just under 2000 calories today, this for a 15 percent fat loss is suggesting 2486 calories, going to see how I go on 2000, 1500 isnt sustainable but I suspect 2486 may be a little ott.
I have never really actually realised what I need to eat, think I have always been on the money plus a handful of calories, hence the slow weight gain, the obvious reaction is to kind of go for it to get the weight off as quickly as possible but it seems to be impossible and counterproductive so going to work on eating more than that, seems easy to do as it is just eating normally but thinking about it and not going mental, just accepting it will take a while, just need to see some progress at this higher limit.
Suspect Jef will be having a wry smile at this, just a case of learning I think, amazing what you come across when you are looking, like a lot of weight loss if you under eat is water, we kind of know that but it is basically you using all your bodies Glycogen which is bound to water.
Also my resting pulse is 50 odd, between 53 and 62, averaging 59 which seems lower than it used to be.
How is everyone else getting on ?
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12 June 2012, 10:43 PM
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Just to maintain weight you need to eat under what you need I reckon 'cos the odd unplanned snack and also ocasional beer will push you over. Also plus cals you don't consider such as in coffee.
12 June 2012, 10:51 PM
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Beer is a killer, I had a month off but I had two large bottles of Tiger when we went for a meal and they were awesome, bit of a buzz and then left it, think sometimes we just drink for the sake of it, if you only have a couple you get the anticipation, the first one is the best, savour the second and then dont have any more, I have in the past got through five or six and not enjoyed them the same, end up losing half the following day to feeling ****e, all the additional calories, all the potential for liver damage, making a **** of myself. I was kind of getting to this realisation anyway, total denial is no good, I managed a month and didnt really miss it but I enjoyed a couple and was happy not to keep going, had it with food as well.
Think with all of this it is resetting the relationship with food and drink, and learning I can still have what I want within reason, quite liberating really.
12 June 2012, 10:58 PM
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A couple of beers every now and again is ok unless you can live like a monk but that is unsustainable for most of us. It's like 200-250 cals for a pint so it is quite a bit. Two pints is almost like 100 g of chocolate. Maybe have a carb free dinner if you drink too or something?
Sure black coffee is about 1 calorie
but I like latte and that is gonna be maybe up to 100 cal I think? So much milk.
Sure black coffee is about 1 calorie
but I like latte and that is gonna be maybe up to 100 cal I think? So much milk.
13 June 2012, 07:37 AM
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A couple of beers every now and again is ok unless you can live like a monk but that is unsustainable for most of us. It's like 200-250 cals for a pint so it is quite a bit. Two pints is almost like 100 g of chocolate. Maybe have a carb free dinner if you drink too or something?
Sure black coffee is about 1 calorie but I like latte and that is gonna be maybe up to 100 cal I think? So much milk.
Sure black coffee is about 1 calorie
but I like latte and that is gonna be maybe up to 100 cal I think? So much milk.
13 June 2012, 08:32 AM
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cant comprehend how anyone of plus 11 stone weight could operate on 1500kcals tbh
im just under 16 stone and have been for a while on roughly 4k kclas per day, without noticable body composition changes.
glad the totals are up for you guys tbh, keeping them that low would be unsustainable and ultimatley lead to failure, along with probably developing a negative feeling to healthy eating.
if reasonably active, and a "normal" -ish metabolism you certainly dont need to starve your self of nutrients, or pleasure from eating things you like.
edit just to add - having done what the masses would describe as "extreme" diets for shows in the past, guys had generally 2 trains of thought, reduce kcal intake to reduce body fat, or in kcal expenditure.
to me answer is simple, eat more, and do more fat burning CV training. that way you have mental relief in eating pleasure, you gain the vitamins and minerals from extra nutrition, which would be lacking in a low kcal diet. imo unless you have really strong will power reducing kcals too much isnt the way, and often leads to total failure, however the trade off is doing more work - but still made sense to me.
im just under 16 stone and have been for a while on roughly 4k kclas per day, without noticable body composition changes.
glad the totals are up for you guys tbh, keeping them that low would be unsustainable and ultimatley lead to failure, along with probably developing a negative feeling to healthy eating.
if reasonably active, and a "normal" -ish metabolism you certainly dont need to starve your self of nutrients, or pleasure from eating things you like.
edit just to add - having done what the masses would describe as "extreme" diets for shows in the past, guys had generally 2 trains of thought, reduce kcal intake to reduce body fat, or in kcal expenditure.
to me answer is simple, eat more, and do more fat burning CV training. that way you have mental relief in eating pleasure, you gain the vitamins and minerals from extra nutrition, which would be lacking in a low kcal diet. imo unless you have really strong will power reducing kcals too much isnt the way, and often leads to total failure, however the trade off is doing more work - but still made sense to me.
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13 June 2012, 09:19 AM
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cant comprehend how anyone of plus 11 stone weight could operate on 1500kcals tbh
im just under 16 stone and have been for a while on roughly 4k kclas per day, without noticable body composition changes.
glad the totals are up for you guys tbh, keeping them that low would be unsustainable and ultimatley lead to failure, along with probably developing a negative feeling to healthy eating.
if reasonably active, and a "normal" -ish metabolism you certainly dont need to starve your self of nutrients, or pleasure from eating things you like.
edit just to add - having done what the masses would describe as "extreme" diets for shows in the past, guys had generally 2 trains of thought, reduce kcal intake to reduce body fat, or in kcal expenditure.
to me answer is simple, eat more, and do more fat burning CV training. that way you have mental relief in eating pleasure, you gain the vitamins and minerals from extra nutrition, which would be lacking in a low kcal diet. imo unless you have really strong will power reducing kcals too much isnt the way, and often leads to total failure, however the trade off is doing more work - but still made sense to me.
im just under 16 stone and have been for a while on roughly 4k kclas per day, without noticable body composition changes.
glad the totals are up for you guys tbh, keeping them that low would be unsustainable and ultimatley lead to failure, along with probably developing a negative feeling to healthy eating.
if reasonably active, and a "normal" -ish metabolism you certainly dont need to starve your self of nutrients, or pleasure from eating things you like.
edit just to add - having done what the masses would describe as "extreme" diets for shows in the past, guys had generally 2 trains of thought, reduce kcal intake to reduce body fat, or in kcal expenditure.
to me answer is simple, eat more, and do more fat burning CV training. that way you have mental relief in eating pleasure, you gain the vitamins and minerals from extra nutrition, which would be lacking in a low kcal diet. imo unless you have really strong will power reducing kcals too much isnt the way, and often leads to total failure, however the trade off is doing more work - but still made sense to me.
I think there is an element of "Dietary Self Flaggelation", kind of pennance for letting myself get too fat, coupled with a desire to shift it quickly and that nothing less than being hungry will do the trick, when it is actually about monitoring everything you put in your mouth, portion control and consistency over a long period, it took several years to appear so it will take a good few months, at least to get rid of it and then a lifetime of watching what I eat.
Was at 16.3 this morning, lowest I have been in ages, walked four miles last night and biked to work today, being a bit lighter makes it a bit easier and makes me work harder trying to keep my heart rate up, have ordered a cheapo heart rate monitor off Amazon so I can ascertain what I am burning a bit more accurately.
13 June 2012, 10:18 AM
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I think there is an element of "Dietary Self Flaggelation", kind of pennance for letting myself get too fat, coupled with a desire to shift it quickly and that nothing less than being hungry will do the trick, when it is actually about monitoring everything you put in your mouth, portion control and consistency over a long period, it took several years to appear so it will take a good few months, at least to get rid of it and then a lifetime of watching what I eat.
Was at 16.3 this morning, lowest I have been in ages, walked four miles last night and biked to work today, being a bit lighter makes it a bit easier and makes me work harder trying to keep my heart rate up, have ordered a cheapo heart rate monitor off Amazon so I can ascertain what I am burning a bit more accurately.
Was at 16.3 this morning, lowest I have been in ages, walked four miles last night and biked to work today, being a bit lighter makes it a bit easier and makes me work harder trying to keep my heart rate up, have ordered a cheapo heart rate monitor off Amazon so I can ascertain what I am burning a bit more accurately.
that in itself is no bad thing, but it cant be sustained forever. once youve got a bit of fat off and into the routine, being a bit more lax makes the long term commitment much more acheivable and ultimatley enjoyable.
good stuff though mate
like reading the good and bad.
