sunnyjones003

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im all for it, as i said im my previous post, i have a wrx with everything uprated, i hope it will hold the boost as i want to know what a wrx will achieve.

MattyB1983

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A 300bhp TD04 equipped Impreza keeps up with a 450bhp Impreza.....
Lad please, now your just talking silly.

And the OP will not see 300bhp on an 04. Your car is the only car I have seen make 300 on an 04 and even after seeing the print out I'm still very sceptical.

OP, it's your money so do with it what you will, all the people are trying to do is advise you. Many have been in your position and learnt the hard way, all they want is for you to end up with a car that your happy with, a car that you know is strong and reliable.

toneh

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ok in simple terms why spend 30k on modding what is a cheap jap car when for that money you can get a 996 turbo ,which has enough power , comfort , performance and you can just go out and buy one

i,ll tell you why because anyone can buy one , there is no self satisfaction to be had
to build a car or make it how you want takes a certain amount of skill , hard work , and determination , it has highs and lows but at the end of the day you can stand back and say i built that , be it good or bad
i work to pay for my hobbies , as most of us do , now if i worked to pay money into a buy a new car fund i would get no satisfaction at all , thats just a financial transaction and a name on a v5 , then its there sat on the driveway ,then stand back and say i payed for that , how exciting
i like to get my hands dirty and keep busy
none of the options above are cheap but its whatever floats ya boat

MattyB1983

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I bought an STI to begin with (albeit a classic) and have still spent the last two years building it up to what I want. Now at over 400 and god knows how many £££ in but as you say, it's my hobby.

All they are saying is IF you at a later stage decide (and you will) that 300 ponies isn't quite enough then starting with an STI could save you 5 grand and a whole load of ball ache. Up to 350 in a WRX and your good, beyond that and it's 6 speed time and forged motor time.

But as I said earlier, it's your money so do with it what you will. Enjoy the project and keep us all posted on how it goes.

toneh

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please dont have selected memory read my first post , i asked what power will the intercooler support , also note i already knew the other mods apart from i was told my td o4 would not do 300 ,so i said i,ll take the advice and have , then someone posts they have got 300 from an 04 , so a tuner has told me you can , someones posted he has ,
i,m goin 05 now so it dont matter either way , but please dont make out ive come on here like some newbie asking allsorts when the original post was an ic question

jura11

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How to say,if we knew from start we would like to go above 490bhp,we would go with STi from start,but when we are bought our wagon,we are want just Impreza with automatic gearbox,after loss compression on two pistons we are went with biggest upgrade,now we are not running autobox,now running PPG,now we are running 2.1 stroker and 490bhp,Syvecs S6pnp,Race technology dash2 ,almost everything is upgraded,if its worth,yes matey,but if i would go again with new project,STi will be mine choice and mainly manual

Really WRX is great car,but if you want go above 350bhp you will be limited.

Enjoy the project and you will see if its worth at the end,in our case,we are enjoying amazing car.

MattyB1983

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Ok,
Your TD04 will not make 300bhp regardless of what a tuner told you and regardless of the fact that 'bustamoves' has a printout of his making 301.
Do a search on here and see if you can find another car fitted with an 04 breaking the 300 mark.
You've done the right thing buying a 16G, nice punchy little turbo.
Your intercooler, it will be fine to 300bhp but I would advise changing it to an STI one. It's not mega money and the benefit is well worth it.

toneh

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thankyou please dont worry about my financial welfare i,m fine
like i said earlier my brother did time attack and he had an evo 7 and put 30k into that and thats a drop in the ocean i know someone who put 100k into his car and i think he sold it for around 50k if i remember right
so i really do know how much things can mount up , also dont forget i have access to a fully equiped garage , not messing with a trolly jack and axle stands lol
its all good fun , in a way i dont really mind a bit of a blow up ,building a nice little forged motor would be good fun
can we put this to bed now

jura11

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Where to start matey...

TD04 will make around 270-280bhp(seen few of them making 290bhp,but only once i've seen 300bhp)

Your current injectors will be for job,you don't need pink injectors,pink i would recommend if you are think upgrade turbo(TD05 range,IHI VF range),TMIC will be for your too,your WRX TMIC should be OK upto 320-340bhp,but depends if you are looking for track days,i would say FMIC will be better choice

About the Aquamist think with this kit you should be OK and you can/should make 300bhp on your TD04,you will run 50 water/50 methanol ?

But this will need to be properly mapped as everything what you are thinking put on your bug

Induction kit i wouldn't recommend,stick with your OE airbox and good panel filter as K&N or Green Cotton.

Up-pipe i would recommend STi one which will be OK for you,but will need be mapped for missing EGT sensor,this can cause more problems after,if not

Oversized up-pipes which are sold on eBay are wrong and can cause slower spool up and lag


Jura

icbm

Your title says achievable 300bhp from a bug which is basically asking if it can be done. Thats why people have replied with their opinions about starting with an STI instead, as it can be done far easier and cheaper. Also you've said "not after big power (for now)" so its obvious you will want them once the bug gets you, so you can see where the replies have come from.

toneh

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end of now, no more to see , this bull****e is no use to no one

MattyB1983

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Should of bought an Evo

brendy76

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For what its worth, I have gone down the 300+ route.
VF24, pink injectors, classic uppipe, full 3" decat cobra system, green panel filter, Dynapex 260lph pump and mapping myself (slowly but surely getting there plenty of logging and tweaking). Currently running around the 300/300 mark with more to come, I have not been near an rr to get exact figures yet tho have no interest in maxxing the life out of the components.

bustaMOVEs

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No i mean TRYING to keep up, therefore takes a bit of abuse( was an example)

And also what reason makes you very spectical?
Trl are one of the most accurate dynos in the country
Also if anyones got anything neg to say im not replying, was simply answering a question for the op.
Like jura say hes seen 1 at 300, why not make it another one and thumbs up for acheving it, like i said before many people say that it cant be done just by reading others threads and roumers, but sorry to say this, but its been done!
Instead of mocking all the time. We are all meant to be on the same club.
If its prooven to me that my figures are wrong then ill spit my eyes out and say sorry to all for giving you hope
Thanks

chocolate_o_brian

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This. My TD04 is pulling 284bhp but on a lighter classic. It's not on it's very limits as it was a Bob Rawle remap and has a safety factor BUT it does tail off around 5,500rpm as it spools so early (1.4 bar around 2,700 rpm iirc).

TD05 to hit 300 with decent decat, walbro and panel filter. Top mount should be fine. Do the 440 injectors come on bigeyes as per late classic uk turbos?

bustaMOVEs

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And yours is a classic, well done
Mine goes to 1.4 bar then tails off to 0.9.
I reckon yours could go 290+ then if its not on its limits

brendy76

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420 blues came on my 01 bug matey and they were running 107% duty at 280, +- a horsey.

Rob Day

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Good morning everyone!

Well last night and this morning's posts have been eventful haven't they LOL

It appears everyone has there own opinions, and that they are entitled too.

However when someone comes on here asking for advice and that advice is offered, I think its a bit poor when its thrown back just because one person has had the exception. For example the 300 bhp can probably be had from almost every TD04 I dont doubt that, but mappers usually leave a reasonable element of safe zone, no two mappers are the same.

Another example thread regarding Turbo capabilities would be the "382bhp from a VF35". You tell me one other person that has safely had there car mapped to anything over 370bhp from a VF35 never mind over 380bhp! 330-350 is about the right figure for a safely mapped VF35, but it goes to show there are some exceptions.

Back to the OP, now I think what folk are saying here is that you can start and do whatever it is you want to do, its your money, however the blank canvass you have started with could have been better. You say money is no object which is fine, however an element of common sense should be applied unless you have recently won the lottery? Some folk become defensive when the discussion of WRX vs STI are discussed, and having owned both several times over I have got to say that the STI is the better choice regardless of the "project" in mind. hmmmm The STI blank canvass is a semi forged engine known to have taken 500bhp by many, gearbox good for 700bhp, brakes are excellent for a standard piece of kit, Interior is nice and looks modern.

Anyway as said, most folk on here are just trying to help, but you have come across all wrong. If you don't like the replies considering you are very opinionated yourself then don't ask for advice...simples

Rob

chocolate_o_brian

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I dunno, maybe, maybe not. My Scoob has 105k miles on it running the standard engine, turbo and box. It's also producing 317lbft of torque which is an impressive figure. But that is on a safe map with regards to ignition timing etc. and hasn't squeezed every last drop out of a 13 year old turbo. It was road mapped too which was a brilliant experience seeing the turbo wind up another 0.5 bar knowing its safe and sustainable. I don't think I'd want 300 on a td04 for the characteristics it shows. There are Scoobs with different, bigger turbos producing more bhp but LESS torque than my mildly modded classic wagon. It's in the mid range when you can scare a standard(ish) newage STi's As I've found out.

But this isn't like the OPs hobby car; this is my daily driver, my work hack, my shopping car, my skip run car, my family day out car. It's got a lovely boost kick and bags of torque, which for £500 (cost of mods and map excl. decat) is a fùckin bargain!

bustaMOVEs

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Just like to say rob your right on what you say above
Also my mapper is the same as yours on the road aswell and im sure you know how safe he is and his accredibilty on mapping etc. he mapped it to his limits etc and gave me a rough figure what it would do which was 280-290 then went to trls and it came out at the 301 so weather its on its limits or not, i dont know. But you can figure that out by said mapper

bustaMOVEs

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Well at 105k then maybe your right
Better be safe than sorry, and as you use it for the same purposes as me then;
P.s i bought my car factory stock standard with 1 owner from new and did all mods thereafter
Im gonna go down the vf34 route next and see what it gives and leave at that until i get my fsti.
So if anyones selling there vf34 low miles etc, give me a shout

MartynJ

Despite the fact that a stock TD04 will do 300bhp with the right mods/mapper, I wouldn't go down this path again.



As you can see from the graph, we achieved this some 6 years ago.
We are currently working with Scoobyclinic on a Billet TD04 hybrid, which if all goes well, should bridge the gap between the TD04 and 05/VF series turbos nicely.

Martyn

bengo

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Wow, 107% @ 280, what AFRs are you targeting?

I remember seeing 121% in a few of my logs on my old blues with a 16g

brendy76

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I was running a little rich as it was part of my learning curve initially and preferred rich over lean. Now on 550s and a bigger turbo and running 10.x afr wise. Still learning so not maxxing anything out and logging daily making sure my tables are knock free and Im producing decent power. Im on the lookout for a new wb though before i go any further.

sunnyjones003

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it use for someone that want advice, like others have said buy an evo !!!!

you keep on talking you have deep pockets, if thats the case what the hell you messing with a wrx. put your money where your mouth is and buy an sti because you will want more than 300bhp. due to this being a hobby you will want to reach 500bhp. (your not thinking this yet but in time you will)

toneh

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I'm not sure were I'm heading yet , like I said it might be 300 might go 400 might get bored , park it up and leave it
All I know is I never brought the issue of costs up I wanted advice about the standard intercooler
I've been to pick the td o5 up this morning , ordered the pump
Gonna drop some pinks in and pop round scooby clinic to talk mapping (they local to me )
So guysI'm modding a wrx , I've not got a problem with it , your just gonna have to get over it
As for money were mouth is please please stop goin on about the money , look back I never bought it up in the first place or turned down any modding advice
Some of you really do need to get a life ,
Sorry it's come to this already ,
Cheers tony

toneh

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Right ! Back on track , now we all no what I'm doin (right or wrong )
I've been to collect the turbo , first job is change from top to front , I am not swapping housings , I'm going to mod it myself ( are there any little tips or handy hints , things I could benifit from at this stage ) I'm welder fabricator by trade and work on everything aircraft parts to xj220,s and I'm doing it at work so the welding and fabrications not an issue ,
Cheers tony

toneh

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Hi chaps , well phase one of my modding is complete
Up pipe
3 inch decat turbo back
700cc injectors
Tdo5 16
255 pump
Mapped by me with tinywrex launch control mapped in
Only set it at 4500 but it's effective enough
I'm now starting phase two
Thinking about bigger turbo (not sure )
Maybe 20g
The cars currently in bits awaiting new turbo inlet pipe , fmic and
Moving O2 from front to back , plumbing aquamist system in too
Im now gonna be running carberry rom speed density (mafless)
So ive deleted tgvs
How many of u chaps running this map ( any issues ?)
I reckon it's running around 300 not too worried about exact figure but it pulls well , I'm pleased so far
Won't be long before ive got to go forged and thinking about transmission upgrades ,
There's a clip on you tube ,

Subaru impreza bugeye launch control test ,

Take a look see what you reckon so far
It's not fantastic quality
but you'll get A brief idea
Sorry cant put a link ,
I'll be back when phase 2 is complete

brendy76

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I am running my setup (stage 3 bug wrx) based on a normal (non SD) map tuned by myself with the LC patched in, I have tried 4k, 4.5k and up to 4.8k Launch settings. It really turns launches into fun events and founf anything under 4.5k rpm was just not enough and bogged down a touch, all depends on what turbo yo use I suppose.
I uploaded my wee clip a while back, this was launching at 4.5k and a relatively easy gearchange to 2nd (checking gearbox can take a little abuse occasionally).


I dont have the knowledge yet to even look at SD mapping but fair play for taking the plunge. I want to learn as much as possible doing it the regular route before trying anything else but have had a read the SD stuff on the RR site.

toneh

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Mine was bogging a little , I just dropped the speed limit down and all was good
Keep in mind though it's really for loose stuff , not the best thing to use on sticky Tarmac with 4wd , transmission parts don't really like it