Notices
Non Scooby Related Anything Non-Scooby related

FairFuel Campaign

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 23, 2012 | 09:44 PM
  #31  
Boro's Avatar
Boro
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 7,222
Likes: 0
From: Cornwall
Default

Originally Posted by urban
I don't understand why people say this - why do you think the previous planned increases were canned?
Canned? Postponed more like. Fuel has still gone up even so and will continue to go up until no-one needs it anymore. Which is a few years away yet!
Reply
Old Mar 25, 2012 | 04:23 PM
  #32  
mattvortex's Avatar
mattvortex
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 634
Likes: 0
Default

Exactly, i expect fuel will be £2 a litre within two years- a joke- considering about £1.10 of that will be tax. Its like they want us all to go back to victorian times, on bikes and horses!

Thing is, if people junked there cars, theyd have to tax you on something else instead- probably poll tax!!
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2012 | 09:41 AM
  #33  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Originally Posted by Boro
Canned? Postponed more like. Fuel has still gone up even so and will continue to go up until no-one needs it anymore. Which is a few years away yet!
Go and look for yourself

Previous planned increases were scrapped.
I would be hopeful the new planned increases are scrapped too, but the campaign needs more numbers signed up.
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2012 | 05:16 PM
  #34  
Jamo's Avatar
Jamo
Cooking on Calor
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 23,346
Likes: 7
From: in a house full of girls!
Default

Signed.
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2012 | 05:32 PM
  #35  
EddScott's Avatar
EddScott
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 12,575
Likes: 65
From: West Wales
Default

Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Er, how about stopped the ridiculous amount we pay out in benefits for starters!
Largely because the government that finally puts a stop on the benefit culture is likely to be the one booted out first chance the populace gets. Worker are too busy working to vote so the feckless having just lost their benefits will be there pen in hand.

I read somewhere that during the 70s, the income tax rate in the UK were horrendous yet the fuel duty was very low. These days, the income tax rates are lower yet fuel duty is much higher.

Again, the government that puts 3% on the basic rate and reduces fuel by 10p will be booted at the next election for having increased income tax. The fuel duty reduction will be forgotten.

I'm not saying I'm for increases because fuel costs restrict the things I want to do in life. I'm just saying that taxation has to come from somewhere.
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2012 | 05:29 PM
  #36  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Default

Signed (for all the good it'll do ).
Reply
Old Mar 29, 2012 | 11:10 PM
  #37  
hodgy0_2's Avatar
hodgy0_2
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 15,634
Likes: 22
From: K
Default

Originally Posted by EddScott
Largely because the government that finally puts a stop on the benefit culture is likely to be the one booted out first chance the populace gets. Worker are too busy working to vote so the feckless having just lost their benefits will be there pen in hand.

I read somewhere that during the 70s, the income tax rate in the UK were horrendous yet the fuel duty was very low. These days, the income tax rates are lower yet fuel duty is much higher.

Again, the government that puts 3% on the basic rate and reduces fuel by 10p will be booted at the next election for having increased income tax. The fuel duty reduction will be forgotten.

I'm not saying I'm for increases because fuel costs restrict the things I want to do in life. I'm just saying that taxation has to come from somewhere.
Your quite right of course - the total tax take, as a % of GDP is prop roughly the same throughout the years


Why people think we have some god given right to be able to buy petrol at some crazy cheap price, is beyond me

i would like to buy Gold at 5$ an ounce, but it aint going to happen

Last edited by hodgy0_2; Mar 29, 2012 at 11:14 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 31, 2012 | 11:58 PM
  #38  
Adrian F's Avatar
Adrian F
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,122
Likes: 0
Default

Of course we have a right to not have excessive tax applied on essential items like fuel.

The Government is getting ready for the zero emmision vehicles by bringing in road tolls (Camron announced road pricing again) so that is how they intend to replace fuel tax

The welfare state is a national insurance system so people should only have acess to it once they have paid either a bond or Tax for many years the same as Australia instead of being given a house and full health care as soon as they arrive having made no contribution to the country
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2012 | 03:44 PM
  #39  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

AdrianF - well said about the welfare state, same thing goes for the NHS in my book too
Reply
Old Apr 1, 2012 | 08:22 PM
  #40  
scooby800's Avatar
scooby800
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 326
Likes: 0
From: derby
Default

signed
Reply
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 01:33 PM
  #41  
jasey's Avatar
jasey
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,566
Likes: 0
From: Scotchland
Default

"Our findings suggest that a 2.5 pence reduction in fuel duty would result in the creation of 175 thousand jobs within a year and 180 thousand jobs within five years of such a reduction. Such a reduction, we estimate, would not result in any fiscal loss to the Government, while GDP would receive a boost of 0.32 per cent within a year and 0.34 per cent within five years."

When they stop the "Apprentice maths" I might take them seriously.

Sounds like the the other lot from a few years back (Ben what's his name and his fuel card ****e) I'm not signing up to be spammed for the next year or so.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2012 | 09:37 AM
  #42  
f1_fan's Avatar
f1_fan
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,035
Likes: 0
From: .
Default

Originally Posted by jasey
"Our findings suggest that a 2.5 pence reduction in fuel duty would result in the creation of 175 thousand jobs within a year and 180 thousand jobs within five years of such a reduction. Such a reduction, we estimate, would not result in any fiscal loss to the Government, while GDP would receive a boost of 0.32 per cent within a year and 0.34 per cent within five years."

When they stop the "Apprentice maths" I might take them seriously.

Sounds like the the other lot from a few years back (Ben what's his name and his fuel card ****e) I'm not signing up to be spammed for the next year or so.
Ditto, it's bolocks!
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2012 | 12:55 PM
  #43  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Yes, the creation of 175 thousand jobs is nonsense.
However, the knock on effect of that reduction should, and would be reflected in the bottom line cost of every thing we purchase.
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2012 | 01:15 PM
  #44  
Mike GT's Avatar
Mike GT
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 163
Likes: 0
From: Hull, East Yorkshire
Default

Originally Posted by EddScott
Signed

Although I would like to know where the government is expected to find the shortfall income if they reduce fuel duty.

I also clicked VAT reduction. More important to me than fuel.
It was on the news this morning that the government have saved 487 million pounds on this olympics stadium bollocks, so why can't they fund the shortfall from that and give us motorists a bloody break ????

Also signed it
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2012 | 01:26 PM
  #45  
f1_fan's Avatar
f1_fan
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,035
Likes: 0
From: .
Default

Originally Posted by Mike GT
It was on the news this morning that the government have saved 487 million pounds on this olympics stadium bollocks, so why can't they fund the shortfall from that and give us motorists a bloody break ????

Also signed it
Ahem.... the Olympics saving is bollocks. It is only under budget after they more than tripled the original budget between 2005 and 2007. Statistics eh?
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2012 | 01:42 PM
  #46  
Mike GT's Avatar
Mike GT
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 163
Likes: 0
From: Hull, East Yorkshire
Default

But still there is 487 million quid going back to the government coffers, so why not reduce fuel duty, VAT etc even better give 100k to each household in th UK and we, the public will get this economy going by spending it in the local shops etc etc and create jobs that way.......wait......thats too sensible for an idiot politician to come up with is it not
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2012 | 01:47 PM
  #47  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Mike GT for PM
Reply
Old Jun 14, 2012 | 01:53 PM
  #48  
Mike GT's Avatar
Mike GT
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 163
Likes: 0
From: Hull, East Yorkshire
Default

Originally Posted by urban
Mike GT for PM
Agree ............oh wait can i vote for myself lol
Reply
Old Jun 15, 2012 | 08:40 AM
  #49  
jasey's Avatar
jasey
Scooby Senior
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,566
Likes: 0
From: Scotchland
Default

Originally Posted by Mike GT
But still there is 487 million quid going back to the government coffers, so why not reduce fuel duty, VAT etc even better give 100k to each household in th UK and we, the public will get this economy going by spending it in the local shops etc etc and create jobs that way.......wait......thats too sensible for an idiot politician to come up with is it not
Not quite.

it's 487 million they wont have to borrow from the w@nkers we bailed out a couple of years ago .

Motorists wont be getting any breaks anytime soon
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2012 | 03:32 PM
  #50  
Clarebabes's Avatar
Clarebabes
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 21,366
Likes: 0
From: A big town with sh1t shops: Northampton
Default

The rise has been scrapped! Yay!
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2012 | 03:36 PM
  #51  
joz8968's Avatar
joz8968
Scooby Regular
15 Year Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 23,764
Likes: 9
From: Leicester
Default

Official statement from Osbourne, Clare?
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2012 | 03:46 PM
  #52  
Dr.No's Avatar
Dr.No
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 912
Likes: 0
From: Swindon, Wilts
Default

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18588855
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2012 | 04:10 PM
  #53  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Originally Posted by Boro
Canned? Postponed more like. Fuel has still gone up even so and will continue to go up until no-one needs it anymore. Which is a few years away yet!
Ahem
Reply
Old Jun 26, 2012 | 04:58 PM
  #54  
CharlySkunkWeed's Avatar
CharlySkunkWeed
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,499
Likes: 70
From: Bangor-Northern Ireland
Default

I feel its just a way of making it seem that they are bowing down to public outcry , when in reality , fuel is still at an expensive rate.

In simple terms - "hey , petrol is too expensive!"

"ok then , we wont raise the price"
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2012 | 11:35 AM
  #55  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Yes, fuel is still expensive in the UK
But, remember that the fair fuel campaign has saved us twice now from an increase.
What I really can't understand is why there are only 300K people in the UK signed up
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2012 | 01:19 PM
  #56  
CharlySkunkWeed's Avatar
CharlySkunkWeed
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,499
Likes: 70
From: Bangor-Northern Ireland
Default

I think its because they know its a loosing battle.
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2012 | 01:43 PM
  #57  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

But its not a loosing battle - people need to stand up and fight back more.

Here's an example - I recently came back from the states - their fuel works out to be about 60pence per litre
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2012 | 06:16 PM
  #58  
CharlySkunkWeed's Avatar
CharlySkunkWeed
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,499
Likes: 70
From: Bangor-Northern Ireland
Default

And how much of that is tax ? Our gov wont just knock 70% off just coz 300k people "sign" an online petition. All they will ever do is not tax it more than they do at the min , but they know people need petrol and they hold all the cards.

The only real action that will get the results is a strike , but who is willing to do that when only 300k can just be bothered to click a button on their PC.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 09:13 AM
  #59  
urban's Avatar
urban
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Not a lot in comparison to the UK - I was told on average about 55cents per gallon - so very roughly 12 pence per litre.

No, of course they won't knock 70% off.
But they've been allowed to increase it to unacceptable levels now

I think you'll find that if people would stand up to them, they hold all the cards
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2012 | 05:19 PM
  #60  
CharlySkunkWeed's Avatar
CharlySkunkWeed
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,499
Likes: 70
From: Bangor-Northern Ireland
Default

Think thats the problem , people arent in a good position at the min with job losses etc , and still dont seem to be bothered !

I predict a riot .
Reply



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:34 PM.