Bus Driver jailed for knocking down cyclist !!
16 February 2012, 10:54 PM
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If there was an previous altercation, it should be on teh Bus's built in CCTV (usually with audio) It'd be interesting to hear what was said to get someone so red-misted.
No smoke without fire and all that.
But it goes to show, meer words can tip people over the edge with potentially lethal consequences.
No smoke without fire and all that.
But it goes to show, meer words can tip people over the edge with potentially lethal consequences.
16 February 2012, 11:03 PM
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I've been cut up in the past by bus drivers running into cycle lanes while I'm there and they do seem to be getting worse, but equally there are holier than though cyclists who feel that just because they can, they should (like those who do 70 in the outside lane of a motorway to stop others from speeding) and I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was one of them. As ever there will be two sides to the story and we will only get one - I don't agree with what the bus driver did but I guess the cyclist wasn't blame-free.
16 February 2012, 11:24 PM
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Some road warrior stops his bike on front of you rests his bike on your car then starts shouting abuse, after a shouting match he then gets on his bike and swerves around the road stopping you from overtaking, how many miles do you think you would swallow that for before saying **** it and knocking him off his bike ? Personally I think the bus driver should have just smacked his back wheel to knock him off then carried on his way. There is a certain type of cyclist who needs to learn about potential consequences, this is neither the first nor last instance of a cyclist trying to block a car from overtaking.
No matter who has caused the altercation, and I appreciate cyclists can be annoying for some drivers and some are very militant, the minute you use the advantage of being in a much bigger vehicle you have lost any claim to the moral high ground, probably your driving license and possibly your liberty.
Sometimes a cyclist may block a car briefly as it is for their, and sometimes the drivers safety, having been overtaken by a Pug 107 on a blind bend which lost its wing mirror to a tipper wagon sometimes making yourself a bit wider is the sensible thing to do, 0,0001 percent of the time but drivers take it as an affront, perhaps think that the cyclist is just getting somewhere themselves and isn't on a mission to wind you up, they will probably pass you when you are sat in a queue of other cars in a quarter of a mile anyway, if they are trying to wind you up, keep away as no matter what you will do to them, however justified you may feel you will come off worse in the eyes of the law, there are all sorts of dicks out there, dont give them the satisfaction of reacting,
16 February 2012, 11:25 PM
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Some of the comments truly amaze me...
I mean, unless the cyclist had jumped on the bus at the previous stop and shot a few of the passengers, I just can't see what would merit the driver attempting to murder him with his bus?
Simple red mist road rage and is attempted murder (with a bus FFS!), end of.
I mean, unless the cyclist had jumped on the bus at the previous stop and shot a few of the passengers, I just can't see what would merit the driver attempting to murder him with his bus?
Simple red mist road rage and is attempted murder (with a bus FFS!), end of.
16 February 2012, 11:28 PM
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16 February 2012, 11:38 PM
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I've been cut up in the past by bus drivers running into cycle lanes while I'm there and they do seem to be getting worse, but equally there are holier than though cyclists who feel that just because they can, they should (like those who do 70 in the outside lane of a motorway to stop others from speeding) and I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was one of them. As ever there will be two sides to the story and we will only get one - I don't agree with what the bus driver did but I guess the cyclist wasn't blame-free.
Try telling a judge you rammed a car in the outside lane because they were only doing 70.
16 February 2012, 11:44 PM
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Sometimes a cyclist may block a car briefly as it is for their, and sometimes the drivers safety, having been overtaken by a Pug 107 on a blind bend which lost its wing mirror to a tipper wagon sometimes making yourself a bit wider is the sensible thing to do, 0,0001 percent of the time but drivers take it as an affront, perhaps think that the cyclist is just getting somewhere themselves and isn't on a mission to wind you up, they will probably pass you when you are sat in a queue of other cars in a quarter of a mile anyway, if they are trying to wind you up, keep away as no matter what you will do to them, however justified you may feel you will come off worse in the eyes of the law, there are all sorts of dicks out there, dont give them the satisfaction of reacting,
When I used to ride a lot I would always ride about 1 m from the kerb. On group rides we would ride as a double pace line, only going to a single line if a car was having trouble getting past like if it was a winding roads with blind corners etc.
The worst thing you can do is ride in the gutter because cars ignore you.
It's like how horse riders are safer in pairs side by side. The car has to actually slow and going around the obstacle and cannot ignore it.
16 February 2012, 11:47 PM
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I cycle in the region of 2000 miles a year and I am sick to the back teeth of both inconsiderate drivers and militant cyclists who feel they have the right to break the law for 'reasons of personal safety'.
If you read my post properly, rather than jumping to the conclusion that I am defending the bus driver, you might have a slightly different view, unless you are being deliberately antagonistic!
16 February 2012, 11:53 PM
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I am actually one of the calmest drivers I know, I expect people to do stupid things as sometimes I do stupid things myself as well I rarely get angry but as with most things there are limits accidental mistakes is one thing, I see plenty of bad cycling from people who I guess do not drive hence they don't know any better but deliberate malicious acts on the road by the users of any vehicle will make me angry and will lead to a response they won't like.
16 February 2012, 11:57 PM
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The fact is the cyclist is entitled to be where he wants in a lane and being an ignorant (not illegal) road user is no excuse for assault with a deadly weapon.
Besides the bus driver picked a bad place to overtake since the right lane filters right, and he is only maybe 100 yards max from the junction when he pulls out. The bus Driver is also I bet about 6 inches from the back wheel of the cyclist prior to attempting to overtake, which is clearly wrong doing on his part.
I suspect the cyclist was being deliberately annoying, but it is possible he was avoiding a pot hole or was preparing to filter right also and lost his bearings with the bus behind him.
There was no excuse for what the bus driver did and he should be looking at years no months of jail time. If I was that cyclist I would be looking for serious pay back.
17 February 2012, 12:03 AM
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Sometimes cyclists suffer from road rage and swerve around the road to stop a car getting past, this is stupidity on behalf of any cyclist and as this one found out doing this makes car drivers angry, its a bit like walking up to the town headcase and spitting in his face.
I am actually one of the calmest drivers I know, I expect people to do stupid things as sometimes I do stupid things myself as well I rarely get angry but as with most things there are limits accidental mistakes is one thing, I see plenty of bad cycling from people who I guess do not drive hence they don't know any better but deliberate malicious acts on the road by the users of any vehicle will make me angry and will lead to a response they won't like.
I am actually one of the calmest drivers I know, I expect people to do stupid things as sometimes I do stupid things myself as well I rarely get angry but as with most things there are limits accidental mistakes is one thing, I see plenty of bad cycling from people who I guess do not drive hence they don't know any better but deliberate malicious acts on the road by the users of any vehicle will make me angry and will lead to a response they won't like.
No car driver ever died from giving cyclists more time and space instead of needing to get past as fast as possible.
No cyclist ever killed a driver by cycling badly.
If you need them to stay in the gutter so you can get past you are overtaking at the wrong place.
Give them time and room, imagine it is you in their place as a highly vulnerable road user. Did not one member here recently get killed cycling?
I've seen entitlement on both sides but it is the car drivers who kill.
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17 February 2012, 12:06 AM
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Try riding to work every day on busy roads Luan and you will see that bad road-craft has fatal consequences for cyclists but for car drivers it is a scrape if they hit a bike.
No car driver ever died from giving cyclists more time and space instead of needing to get past as fast as possible.
No cyclist ever killed a driver by cycling badly.
If you need them to stay in them to stay in the gutter so you can get past you are overtaking at the wrong place.
Give them time and room, imagine it is you in their place as a highly vulnerable road user. Did not one member here recently get killed cycling?
I've seen entitlement on both sides but it is the car drivers who kill.
No car driver ever died from giving cyclists more time and space instead of needing to get past as fast as possible.
No cyclist ever killed a driver by cycling badly.
If you need them to stay in them to stay in the gutter so you can get past you are overtaking at the wrong place.
Give them time and room, imagine it is you in their place as a highly vulnerable road user. Did not one member here recently get killed cycling?
I've seen entitlement on both sides but it is the car drivers who kill.
17 February 2012, 06:52 AM
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Sky News also list other injuries to the guy:
"The 43-year-old cyclist suffered fractures to his left wrist and leg, which needed to be plated, and to his thumb in the incident in Bristol."
"The 43-year-old cyclist suffered fractures to his left wrist and leg, which needed to be plated, and to his thumb in the incident in Bristol."
17 February 2012, 07:32 AM
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Luan pra bang- I can only assume from your cycling experiences you are not riding in rush hour traffic on a daily basis. I do and I try to stick to cycle lanes where ever possible which on the routes I take a fairly common however even then I see car drivers pulling into the cycle lane to stop bikes passing.
I also have had on a hand full of occasions had bus drivers in queuing traffic not bothering to pull into bus stops and letting passengers off the bus directly into my path in the cycle lane, they frequently do this where they are no where near a bus stop at all, I wonder if they would accept responsibility if I hit someone who gets off a bus into my path? I some how doubt it.
The act of the bus driver cannot be justified at all unless the cyclist did some sort of ride by shooting, which clearly is not the case and the sentence to me is not long enough.
I also have had on a hand full of occasions had bus drivers in queuing traffic not bothering to pull into bus stops and letting passengers off the bus directly into my path in the cycle lane, they frequently do this where they are no where near a bus stop at all, I wonder if they would accept responsibility if I hit someone who gets off a bus into my path? I some how doubt it.
The act of the bus driver cannot be justified at all unless the cyclist did some sort of ride by shooting, which clearly is not the case and the sentence to me is not long enough.
17 February 2012, 08:22 AM
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Some of the comments truly amaze me...
I mean, unless the cyclist had jumped on the bus at the previous stop and shot a few of the passengers, I just can't see what would merit the driver attempting to murder him with his bus?
Simple red mist road rage and is attempted murder (with a bus FFS!), end of.
I mean, unless the cyclist had jumped on the bus at the previous stop and shot a few of the passengers, I just can't see what would merit the driver attempting to murder him with his bus?
Simple red mist road rage and is attempted murder (with a bus FFS!), end of.
Precisely.
17 February 2012, 08:22 AM
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Deserve might be a bit strong, what I mean is that if a cyclist stops to give me abuse about a manouver I think is perfectly safe then rides off up the road and swerves about to block my path then I am going to lose my temper and hit him without a doubt. It is inevitable.
17 February 2012, 08:43 AM
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i have been reading the comments that members have been making,and i agree that they both had there part in what happened,i am not condoning the bus drivers actions in no way,what he done was WRONG and DANGEROUS,and it could of killed the bike rider,but if you watch the cctv evidence you can see that some sort of argument was going on,why the bike rider could not of just let the bus driver simply drive off and that would of been the end of the matter,but then decided that he would bait the driver up by riding his bike infront of the bus then swerving into the side of the bus is just stupid,i drive large vehicles for a living and was always trained to drive defensively but the bus driver must of forgot his discipline and allowed the cyclist to make him lose his temper and i.e his mind for that split second.i think they would both be thinking that they could of behaved diffrently.and none of this would of happened,but i guess thats life.
17 February 2012, 08:52 AM
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Sometimes cyclists suffer from road rage and swerve around the road to stop a car getting past, this is stupidity on behalf of any cyclist and as this one found out doing this makes car drivers angry, its a bit like walking up to the town headcase and spitting in his face.
I am actually one of the calmest drivers I know, I expect people to do stupid things as sometimes I do stupid things myself as well I rarely get angry but as with most things there are limits accidental mistakes is one thing, I see plenty of bad cycling from people who I guess do not drive hence they don't know any better but deliberate malicious acts on the road by the users of any vehicle will make me angry and will lead to a response they won't like.
I am actually one of the calmest drivers I know, I expect people to do stupid things as sometimes I do stupid things myself as well I rarely get angry but as with most things there are limits accidental mistakes is one thing, I see plenty of bad cycling from people who I guess do not drive hence they don't know any better but deliberate malicious acts on the road by the users of any vehicle will make me angry and will lead to a response they won't like.
I have on occasion spoken to a couple of motorists, but rather than getting all aggressive and confrontation, I am just polite and explain calmly my point, most will respond to that and see your side, go in all guns blazing, swearing, making threats and it is bound to end badly, people in situations where they are in the wrong dont always realise it and react in a rational way, they do that later and feel a bit embarassed and then try to put it out of their minds. I will generally back down as you start "Rutting" with another bloke then it gets complicated, someone gets punched, you go to court and lawyers make money, best to just move on, take the dent to your manly pride and avoid all the unpleasantness, bet this Bus driver is wishing he did....
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17 February 2012, 08:59 AM
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I dont think there are many cyclist out there, that left to their own devices will cause agro, generally most stuff I ignore as it just isnt worth it, you get into a game of "Who's the Big Man" that on a bike you cant win, you cant win it in a car as you use it as a weapon, you go to prison. With most of these situations it just isnt worth the stress, if someone is pissing you off you dont have to "teach them a lesson", they will still be a dick, I just prefer it to be somewhere away from me, avoid the negative interactions so you have more time to spend ont he positive ones like the chat I had with the nice new girl in the newsagent with the sheer top.
I have on occasion spoken to a couple of motorists, but rather than getting all aggressive and confrontation, I am just polite and explain calmly my point, most will respond to that and see your side, go in all guns blazing, swearing, making threats and it is bound to end badly, people in situations where they are in the wrong dont always realise it and react in a rational way, they do that later and feel a bit embarassed and then try to put it out of their minds. I will generally back down as you start "Rutting" with another bloke then it gets complicated, someone gets punched, you go to court and lawyers make money, best to just move on, take the dent to your manly pride and avoid all the unpleasantness, bet this Bus driver is wishing he did....
I have on occasion spoken to a couple of motorists, but rather than getting all aggressive and confrontation, I am just polite and explain calmly my point, most will respond to that and see your side, go in all guns blazing, swearing, making threats and it is bound to end badly, people in situations where they are in the wrong dont always realise it and react in a rational way, they do that later and feel a bit embarassed and then try to put it out of their minds. I will generally back down as you start "Rutting" with another bloke then it gets complicated, someone gets punched, you go to court and lawyers make money, best to just move on, take the dent to your manly pride and avoid all the unpleasantness, bet this Bus driver is wishing he did....
17 February 2012, 09:51 AM
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If someone did this to me i would simply ask them why they were blocking the lane, if an argument started i may argue but i can promise that i would make sure i was well out of their way when we started moving again. The thing is i have seen some people genuinely lose it with murderous intent while driving and those that deliberately antagonise other drivers do not get my sympathy when it goes wrong, we all have to be responsable for our own safety. Driving is a cooperation problem, imo the cyclist and bus driver BOTH decided to turn it into a battle.
17 February 2012, 11:38 AM
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If he wound me up who know's what would happen, Some bloke was doing his hop skip bad man walk in front of me at some traffic lights so i gave him a little nudge with me van wing, soon stopped his arrogant skip hop chip on the shoulder **** .People push other people to the edge and when they crack they cry like pussies its simple .
17 February 2012, 11:48 AM
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If he wound me up who know's what would happen, Some bloke was doing his hop skip bad man walk in front of me at some traffic lights so i gave him a little nudge with me van wing, soon stopped his arrogant skip hop chip on the shoulder **** .People push other people to the edge and when they crack they cry like pussies its simple .
17 February 2012, 12:19 PM
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If he wound me up who know's what would happen, Some bloke was doing his hop skip bad man walk in front of me at some traffic lights so i gave him a little nudge with me van wing, soon stopped his arrogant skip hop chip on the shoulder **** .People push other people to the edge and when they crack they cry like pussies its simple .