JTaylor

I'm not sure I follow this, Swati, could you flesh it out a bit for me?

Turbohot

Sure!

You said>


Well I think that it's arrogant of God to elect only the ones He wants to elect. To me, God doesn't discriminate- baptised or not.

Got it?


Then again, if it's someone else electing on the name of God, let me know their number.

JTaylor

For me it's demonstrative of God's sovereignty. This wiki page is worth a read if you get a minute:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_election

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

It's not entirely off topic to be fair. Someone has mentioned a role model, and now a discussion has arisen about said role model.

Now religion has been mentioned, this will possibly go on for a while......

jazzyjembreaze

iTrader: (11)

Well we , started up on a 6 when he pulled through the clouds
Then I moved in , above him

WRXrowdy

iTrader: (2)

Hmm yes, the funny thing being one of the main protagonists in the discussion applauding the other one for having a role model and implying the majority of forum users have (another) fictitious role model (that goes to church, by the way) yet said fictitious role model is NOT the cause of murder, violence and mayhem around the world . . . . .

Turbohot

Thing is, it is James's thread, and he's very much on the subject. I can't see threads leading to sub-discussions related to the thread topic as a problem.

The funny thing is that as soon as something doesn't suit someone, they want to steer it back to what suits them. Similar phenomenon as to what you would see with different faiths contesting with each other. Just let it be, enjoy the bits of the topic and the thread you do, leave the ones you don't like and take it easy.

This thread may have now become boring to some, due to an extra-added mini discussion on a religious role model. I empathise, but I can't see why it needs to seize because some don't like boring talks. Thread is not derailed, no mud slinging or abuse is taking place, it needs no censoring, it's just a discussion. Even the God isn't complaining.

BTW, your role model Joey Dunlop is a cool one.

Turbohot

Hi James, thanks for a good read. I get the concept of the 'chosen' and 'elected' ones, and I also understand that narrowing it down to the one and one alone may provide the sense of necessary safety to some. For me, God is about necessary liberation and therefore, everyone is a 'chosen' one to the unbound, omnipotent and omnipresent Him.

JTaylor

Faith is a gift from God. I take no credit for my salvation, all glory goes to God.

Spoon

JT, you need to up the dose and refuse to take any more calls from David Icke.

stipete75

Conspiracy theories are real, god is not, he is imaginary.

“The word 'God' is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, and religious scripture a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this.”
Albert Einstein.

stipete75

I can accept different people have their beliefs and religions etc but what I don't understand is why the need to devote ones life to a religion.
Billions of people attend millions of churches around the world to worship God, or their God.
Yet the God they worship is completely imaginary.
I believe their belief represents a delusion.

You have one life, why waste it on biblical nonsense, their is zero proof of God, he doesn't answer prayers,cancer would have been cured years ago else.
If you commit a adultery God would have you sentenced to death, hell half the population of the planet would be gone lol.

If God were to exist, wouldn't you expect there to be a huge benefit to those who follow and obey him? Why, instead, do we see the opposite.

JTaylor

This is not the case in Christianity:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8:1-11

stipete75

Leviticus chapter 20.
Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy; for I am the Lord your God. Keep my
statutes, and observe them; I am the Lord; I sanctify you.
All who curse father or mother shall be put to death; having cursed father or mother, their blood is upon them.

If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them.

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

stipete75

The bible seems to be quite hypocritical misleading and kind of deceitful.

stipete75

I'll stick to reading my zoo mags, but all the best with it all JT, seems to be a big part of your life

hodgy0_2

it is a "club". - After all it is part of the human condition to want to belong

the entry criteria is simple - let jesus into your life, then you get in, if not you don't

so to clarify if Stephen Sutton (cancer sufferer) does not let jesus in - no entry

Fred West (basement butcher) does let jesus in - entry (you can ONLY get salvation and admitted to the kingdom of heaven on the "back" of Jesus)

humanity has nothing to do with it - you are just an empty vessel awaiting the pouring in of the glory of christ

if it seems a tad unfair - that is because it is, as Stephen Sutton will tell you

"life is unfair"

JTaylor

I understand your confusion, it's common for people (including believers) to mistake living under the Mosaic Law of the Old Testament with that of living under the grace of the New Testament. In Romans 6:14 Paul says "For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace." As an example, Christians do not have to be circumcised even though this is and was part of the Mosaic Law. Still in Romans Paul talked instead of a circumcision of the heart - an interior sign that the believer is at one with God rather than an exterior sign.

stipete75

Since this thread started a couple days ago regarding Jesus/god I have done a little bit of homework about the the whole bible thing(for the first time)
Yes it is very confusing for me, I don't really understand any of it.
I do though however respect your complete devotion and acceptance to the bible and god.
It gives you 100% inner happiness and meaning to life, that can only be a good thing.
Iv bookmarked a couple of sites regarding Christian religion and will continue to try and understand

JTaylor

Thanks, Pete, that's really encouraging for me!

Maz

iTrader: (34)

James, in religion have you finally found the solace you were missing?

hodgy0_2

Its a massive conspiracy, so you should fit right in

stipete75

I could eat a bowl of alphabet spaghetti and sh7t out a smarter statement than that hodgy.

stipete75

RS_Matt

Dave Gilmour.

JTaylor

Not in religion, Maz, and solace doesn't go far enough, but in Christianity I have found that my sehnsucht has been absolutely satisfied.

dpb

Bismillah !

Ellie*

I don't have aspirations so don't aspire to be like anyone!

Maz

iTrader: (34)

What answers did you find that sated your hunger? Was it genuinely what you were looking for or a subconscious acceptance. An acceptance on the basis that there was nothing else to complete the jigsaw?
Was there an external influence in your acceptance of Christianity, as in from other people?
I apologise for the cross examination but I'm puzzled as to how someone fastidiously analytical, and who deals with absolute logic and reasoned thinking, can accept something based on supposition and conjecture. Was it a resignation to gain some inner peace?

Dingdongler

Acute schizophrenia or some other psychotic state?