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03 January 2012, 10:58 PM
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For anyone excited by LPB's enthusiastic pitch:
http://m.topix.com/forum/drug/valium...VG202T66GS/p46
http://m.topix.com/forum/drug/valium...VG202T66GS/p46
"Suddenly I had to run to the toilet, which I didnt completely make, and threw up onto the closed toilet seat! I then continued to throw up water/juice for about 5 mins."
"You wait till you've taken it a few more times, it'll mess you up big time! I thought it was ace the first few times but 5 months on I regret taking this trash so much, it's damaged my brain!"
"i was very chatty with strangers and it definatly gave me empathy"
"but that stuff is horrid to say the least it gives u heart paulbertations(if thats how you spell it) gives u little rushs and tingles u cant concentrate feel paranoid and uncomfy and when u take a fair bit more you get that mad eye slowing **** like flickers and later like a tunnel vision"
"Pupils stayed dilated for some time though (about 17 hours)."
"I've had to go hospital with a crippling headache and numb hands and have suspected chemical peripheral neuropathy. At least its not a stroke like was feared."
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04 January 2012, 12:18 AM
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mxe not really my thing, did meet a guy once though who had a small line of MXE every 15 minutes and carried on talking just like nothing strange was going on, across the course of the evening he must have put enough of that up his nose to put the entire grand national in a K-hole.
04 January 2012, 07:47 AM
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6-apb tablets, best versions branded under the name benzo fury, you can get 6-apb and 5-apb mixed which are branded e-scapes, then there are amt pellets sold in night clubs under the name no-nonsence or revivals, all legal, all **** you up. There are legal analogues of speed, coke, lsd and ketamine as well. There are also legal versions of cannabis made with synthetic THC that is about three times as strong as potent skunk. All available from a good headshop and all strictly marketed as not for human consumption. 
I didn't realise all this stuff was available legally, how bizarre.
04 January 2012, 08:26 AM
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mxe not really my thing, did meet a guy once though who had a small line of MXE every 15 minutes and carried on talking just like nothing strange was going on, across the course of the evening he must have put enough of that up his nose to put the entire grand national in a K-hole.
04 January 2012, 10:44 AM
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lol my post is a garbled load of nonsense
re. above legal drugs, is that all the "plant food" stuff people are going on about?
that sounds eh..... lovley
it just proves the point that the legality of some drugs has no bearing on how damaging they are to you. although with the likes of above its probably just a lack of time, research and conclusive proof of its use/effects. and legislation has not had time to catch up.
altho as ever youll find many internet comments, each saying its horrible or great. dont be so daft as to reach a conclusion from a couple of internet comments, positive or negative.
re. above legal drugs, is that all the "plant food" stuff people are going on about?
that sounds eh..... lovley
it just proves the point that the legality of some drugs has no bearing on how damaging they are to you. although with the likes of above its probably just a lack of time, research and conclusive proof of its use/effects. and legislation has not had time to catch up.
altho as ever youll find many internet comments, each saying its horrible or great. dont be so daft as to reach a conclusion from a couple of internet comments, positive or negative.
04 January 2012, 11:07 AM
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Not sure but the one and only time I had something that I suspect was this plant food rubbish spun me out big time.
Having taken pretty much anything that was put in front of me in the 90s, nothing bad ever happened to me. Once with this modern stuff and never again. IMO, the legal stuff is more dangerous than the illegal. The illegal products have been around long enough for people to understand and either accept/ignore the consequences.
Having taken pretty much anything that was put in front of me in the 90s, nothing bad ever happened to me. Once with this modern stuff and never again. IMO, the legal stuff is more dangerous than the illegal. The illegal products have been around long enough for people to understand and either accept/ignore the consequences.
04 January 2012, 11:19 AM
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Not sure but the one and only time I had something that I suspect was this plant food rubbish spun me out big time.
Having taken pretty much anything that was put in front of me in the 90s, nothing bad ever happened to me. Once with this modern stuff and never again. IMO, the legal stuff is more dangerous than the illegal. The illegal products have been around long enough for people to understand and either accept/ignore the consequences.
Having taken pretty much anything that was put in front of me in the 90s, nothing bad ever happened to me. Once with this modern stuff and never again. IMO, the legal stuff is more dangerous than the illegal. The illegal products have been around long enough for people to understand and either accept/ignore the consequences.
From the Leah Betts Wiki page:
"A subsequent inquest determined that her death was actually not directly due to ecstasy consumption, but rather the result of the large quantity of water she had consumed[9], apparently in observation of an advisory warning commonly given to ravers to drink water to avoid dehydration resulting from the exertion of dancing continuously for hours. Leah had been at home with friends and had not been dancing, yet consumed about 7 litres (12 pints) of water in less than 90 minutes, resulting in water intoxication and hyponatremia (low sodium levels; in this case due to the dilution of blood), which in turn led to serious swelling of the brain (cerebral oedema), irreparably damaging it. However, SIADH caused by the ecstasy, reducing her ability to urinate, may have exacerbated her hyponatremia. At the inquest it was stated by toxicologist Professor John Henry, who had previously warned the public of the danger of ecstasy causing death by dehydration,[10] "If Leah had taken the drug alone she might well have survived. If she had drunk the amount of water alone she would have survived."
And it seems a lot of danger is also associated with the form with drug comes in: again not the drug itself but what it's mixed with/it's purity. These things are a result of its illegality.
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04 January 2012, 11:32 AM
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Its ironic isn't it that by banning the use of something you are actually making it far more dangerous.
And by banning the use of one drug you lead others to try an alternative "new" drug that hasn't had years of understanding by those that take it and make it.
One year we went to every Dreamscape in Milton Keynes - New Year to New Year. Really good times.
And by banning the use of one drug you lead others to try an alternative "new" drug that hasn't had years of understanding by those that take it and make it.
One year we went to every Dreamscape in Milton Keynes - New Year to New Year. Really good times.
04 January 2012, 11:37 AM
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Some of the high profile cases that drew attention to and started the crackdown on Ecstasy weren't even necessary down to the drug itself, although I'm sure you know that.
From the Leah Betts Wiki page:
"A subsequent inquest determined that her death was actually not directly due to ecstasy consumption, but rather the result of the large quantity of water she had consumed[9], apparently in observation of an advisory warning commonly given to ravers to drink water to avoid dehydration resulting from the exertion of dancing continuously for hours. Leah had been at home with friends and had not been dancing, yet consumed about 7 litres (12 pints) of water in less than 90 minutes, resulting in water intoxication and hyponatremia (low sodium levels; in this case due to the dilution of blood), which in turn led to serious swelling of the brain (cerebral oedema), irreparably damaging it. However, SIADH caused by the ecstasy, reducing her ability to urinate, may have exacerbated her hyponatremia. At the inquest it was stated by toxicologist Professor John Henry, who had previously warned the public of the danger of ecstasy causing death by dehydration,[10] "If Leah had taken the drug alone she might well have survived. If she had drunk the amount of water alone she would have survived."
And it seems a lot of danger is also associated with the form with drug comes in: again not the drug itself but what it's mixed with/it's purity. These things are a result of its illegality.
From the Leah Betts Wiki page:
"A subsequent inquest determined that her death was actually not directly due to ecstasy consumption, but rather the result of the large quantity of water she had consumed[9], apparently in observation of an advisory warning commonly given to ravers to drink water to avoid dehydration resulting from the exertion of dancing continuously for hours. Leah had been at home with friends and had not been dancing, yet consumed about 7 litres (12 pints) of water in less than 90 minutes, resulting in water intoxication and hyponatremia (low sodium levels; in this case due to the dilution of blood), which in turn led to serious swelling of the brain (cerebral oedema), irreparably damaging it. However, SIADH caused by the ecstasy, reducing her ability to urinate, may have exacerbated her hyponatremia. At the inquest it was stated by toxicologist Professor John Henry, who had previously warned the public of the danger of ecstasy causing death by dehydration,[10] "If Leah had taken the drug alone she might well have survived. If she had drunk the amount of water alone she would have survived."
And it seems a lot of danger is also associated with the form with drug comes in: again not the drug itself but what it's mixed with/it's purity. These things are a result of its illegality.
04 January 2012, 11:41 AM
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both good points
whic is why legalising EVERYTHING is the only way to bring down the dangers invovlved. and educate people the truth about all drugs.
but at the moment the media provide the nations "education" on such matters. i think just about anyone with 2 braincells to rub together could tell you , your more likley to be struck by lightning than die as a direct result of ecstacy consumption.
and those that look down there nose at such thigs or see users as scum or lower class or uneducated, sit drinking/smoking blissfully unaware of the actual truth. the whole things smacks of hypocrisy.
there have been so so many attempts to tackle drug use, distribution ect ect over the decades, none of which work. i wonder how much more money, time resources ect will be wasted over the next few decades, to be in the exact same position.
whic is why legalising EVERYTHING is the only way to bring down the dangers invovlved. and educate people the truth about all drugs.
but at the moment the media provide the nations "education" on such matters. i think just about anyone with 2 braincells to rub together could tell you , your more likley to be struck by lightning than die as a direct result of ecstacy consumption.
and those that look down there nose at such thigs or see users as scum or lower class or uneducated, sit drinking/smoking blissfully unaware of the actual truth. the whole things smacks of hypocrisy.
there have been so so many attempts to tackle drug use, distribution ect ect over the decades, none of which work. i wonder how much more money, time resources ect will be wasted over the next few decades, to be in the exact same position.
04 January 2012, 11:44 AM
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with a non profit making organisation reporting directly any findings to a single media breifing, so they cant twist things into a paper seller.
im dreaming though, would never ever be done, as the greedy fckng ***** that are the media coporations rule this country
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both good points
whic is why legalising EVERYTHING is the only way to bring down the dangers invovlved. and educate people the truth about all drugs.
but at the moment the media provide the nations "education" on such matters. i think just about anyone with 2 braincells to rub together could tell you , your more likley to be struck by lightning than die as a direct result of ecstacy consumption.
and those that look down there nose at such thigs or see users as scum or lower class or uneducated, sit drinking/smoking blissfully unaware of the actual truth. the whole things smacks of hypocrisy.
there have been so so many attempts to tackle drug use, distribution ect ect over the decades, none of which work. i wonder how much more money, time resources ect will be wasted over the next few decades, to be in the exact same position.
whic is why legalising EVERYTHING is the only way to bring down the dangers invovlved. and educate people the truth about all drugs.
but at the moment the media provide the nations "education" on such matters. i think just about anyone with 2 braincells to rub together could tell you , your more likley to be struck by lightning than die as a direct result of ecstacy consumption.
and those that look down there nose at such thigs or see users as scum or lower class or uneducated, sit drinking/smoking blissfully unaware of the actual truth. the whole things smacks of hypocrisy.
there have been so so many attempts to tackle drug use, distribution ect ect over the decades, none of which work. i wonder how much more money, time resources ect will be wasted over the next few decades, to be in the exact same position.
04 January 2012, 11:58 AM
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i dont beleive in souls so im ok with that
although i think the whole research thing is good.
there are definatley moral and ethical considerations i agree, but with things legal, imo the our thical and moral position would be much improved over our current standing.
it wouldnt be perfect i agree as drugs can still have negative dangerous effects.
although i think the whole research thing is good.
there are definatley moral and ethical considerations i agree, but with things legal, imo the our thical and moral position would be much improved over our current standing.
it wouldnt be perfect i agree as drugs can still have negative dangerous effects.
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i dont beleive in souls so im ok with that
although i think the whole research thing is good.
there are definatley moral and ethical considerations i agree, but with things legal, imo the our thical and moral position would be much improved over our current standing.
it wouldnt be perfect i agree as drugs can still have negative dangerous effects.
although i think the whole research thing is good.
there are definatley moral and ethical considerations i agree, but with things legal, imo the our thical and moral position would be much improved over our current standing.
it wouldnt be perfect i agree as drugs can still have negative dangerous effects.
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04 January 2012, 12:11 PM
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There are ethical considerations, too. It seems that instant gratification isn't working for us. It's worth researching how ecstasy as an emotion or state of consciousness is and has been achieved throughout the ages and asking whether reaching that place by short-circuiting the brain is good for the soul. I don't think it is.
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Hi all, great thread !!! 
Can we stay away from the the usual argument about drugs verus alchol ?? If we go down that road this thread will become all serious and loose the fun aspect.
Lets just reminis about the good old days in the early 90s :-) Its fun reading what you guys got up to as I can so relate to them too from my wild teen / early 20s.
For me, the early 90's was at Interdance @ Sterns near Worthing / Sussex. Or, over to Brighton looking for illegal raves, house parties, field parties. 5 dudes, packed in a Cortina / Orion with some high bpm rubbish playing on the cassette player, man they were the days :-)
All popping pills, sniffing poppers, taking anything that was handed too you ! Maddness now but never a dull night back then. Never used to see any fights, just lots of people all getting on, raving it, talking endless **** ! A certain mate never left that lifestyle and is my own personal LIVE drug experiment. I see him every 6 months am shocked at how stupid he becomes. :-)
Im a 40+ guy now, sitting in a dull office, family / 2 kids, wondering where my life / fun has gone !
SBK
Can we stay away from the the usual argument about drugs verus alchol ?? If we go down that road this thread will become all serious and loose the fun aspect.
Lets just reminis about the good old days in the early 90s :-) Its fun reading what you guys got up to as I can so relate to them too from my wild teen / early 20s.
For me, the early 90's was at Interdance @ Sterns near Worthing / Sussex. Or, over to Brighton looking for illegal raves, house parties, field parties. 5 dudes, packed in a Cortina / Orion with some high bpm rubbish playing on the cassette player, man they were the days :-)
All popping pills, sniffing poppers, taking anything that was handed too you ! Maddness now but never a dull night back then. Never used to see any fights, just lots of people all getting on, raving it, talking endless **** ! A certain mate never left that lifestyle and is my own personal LIVE drug experiment. I see him every 6 months am shocked at how stupid he becomes. :-)
Im a 40+ guy now, sitting in a dull office, family / 2 kids, wondering where my life / fun has gone !
SBK
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rite les,
here we go, to me your understanding of non legal drug use use is based on your belief that these drug users are forever chasing the high, continually taking more and socially perceived "hard drugs" to try and exceed the last "high".
this is exactly the same as alcohol bt with most other illegal drugs the side effects are nowhere near as dangerous.
your niavety, from your post anyway is saying alcohol can be addictive if falling into binge drinking culture.
you enjoy the effects of the drug alcohol, it can at times encourage socail interaction, alleviate social anxiety which can be perceived as positive side effects. and im sure you and many others share these experiences. this does not however detract from the fact alcohol in comparison to other illegel drugs has far more health damaging effects.
the toxins in alcohol are extemely dangerous as are the numerous other side effects tha accompany its intake.
feeling tipsy or mildly drunk/relaxed or any other feeling, is a result of an excess poison that your body cannot tolerate. its your livers inability to filter the toxin amd keep it out your blood stream. as soon as you feel any effect from alcohol you are intoxicated.
this like some other drugs can change behavioural patterns or thought processes, and in the case of alcohol, this is when the high chasing begins. you feel good, have a good time, you want to continue this feeling and so drink more, this leads to increase incapability to make normal/rational decisions.
and thats where the danger lies.
as time has shown the capability to manage or regulate the effects of alcohol is extremely difficult for humans who are afterall just trying to continue the good feeling theyve acheived through alcohol intake to limit effectivley or safley.
to an extent the different highs associted with drugs like say exstacy, are a benefit as people doent want that feeling in day to day living and it limits there use. genarally. because alcohols effects can be milder with less consumption it makes it easier to use this drug without being noticed. again increasing its potential danger.
side effects of alcohol can be extreme and are far far mre lilley to result in serious harm to the individual, often including fatalites, then of course consider a drunks behaviour, alcohol as i said ealrier is one of the few drugs with the extemely common side effect of increased aggression. which as is so blantnlty obvious on a daily basis resluts in the harm of others that arent even involved in the drug taking.
to conclude as i dont think ive made my point too well in this post, the huge list of negative side effects, from addiction/out of character behaviour to the resulting violence directed towarsd others, accompanied with the lower perciaved damage associated with alcohol over other drugs, legal or not is the reason its so dangerous.
its effects are felt nationwide, cost so so many people there lives each year, such a burden on others, massive social impact and results in millions of pounds worth of crime each year, just expose its dangers. and ANY other drug cocaine and herion included absolutley pale in comparisson to the damage it causes.
the likes of exstacy even though i dont use it, very very rarley result in serious damage.
here we go, to me your understanding of non legal drug use use is based on your belief that these drug users are forever chasing the high, continually taking more and socially perceived "hard drugs" to try and exceed the last "high".
this is exactly the same as alcohol bt with most other illegal drugs the side effects are nowhere near as dangerous.
your niavety, from your post anyway is saying alcohol can be addictive if falling into binge drinking culture.
you enjoy the effects of the drug alcohol, it can at times encourage socail interaction, alleviate social anxiety which can be perceived as positive side effects. and im sure you and many others share these experiences. this does not however detract from the fact alcohol in comparison to other illegel drugs has far more health damaging effects.
the toxins in alcohol are extemely dangerous as are the numerous other side effects tha accompany its intake.
feeling tipsy or mildly drunk/relaxed or any other feeling, is a result of an excess poison that your body cannot tolerate. its your livers inability to filter the toxin amd keep it out your blood stream. as soon as you feel any effect from alcohol you are intoxicated.
this like some other drugs can change behavioural patterns or thought processes, and in the case of alcohol, this is when the high chasing begins. you feel good, have a good time, you want to continue this feeling and so drink more, this leads to increase incapability to make normal/rational decisions.
and thats where the danger lies.
as time has shown the capability to manage or regulate the effects of alcohol is extremely difficult for humans who are afterall just trying to continue the good feeling theyve acheived through alcohol intake to limit effectivley or safley.
to an extent the different highs associted with drugs like say exstacy, are a benefit as people doent want that feeling in day to day living and it limits there use. genarally. because alcohols effects can be milder with less consumption it makes it easier to use this drug without being noticed. again increasing its potential danger.
side effects of alcohol can be extreme and are far far mre lilley to result in serious harm to the individual, often including fatalites, then of course consider a drunks behaviour, alcohol as i said ealrier is one of the few drugs with the extemely common side effect of increased aggression. which as is so blantnlty obvious on a daily basis resluts in the harm of others that arent even involved in the drug taking.
to conclude as i dont think ive made my point too well in this post, the huge list of negative side effects, from addiction/out of character behaviour to the resulting violence directed towarsd others, accompanied with the lower perciaved damage associated with alcohol over other drugs, legal or not is the reason its so dangerous.
its effects are felt nationwide, cost so so many people there lives each year, such a burden on others, massive social impact and results in millions of pounds worth of crime each year, just expose its dangers. and ANY other drug cocaine and herion included absolutley pale in comparisson to the damage it causes.
the likes of exstacy even though i dont use it, very very rarley result in serious damage.
Of course I realise the troubles that alcohol can induce. You can get into trouble by consuming all sorts of things in an uncontrolled manner.
I said however that it is not all that difficult to have a few drinks within sensible limits for the reasons that you quoted above and to remain unaffected, ie not to become an alcoholic. There is nothing wrong with that. Did you not understand what I said? It is not going to have an immediate addictive result.
On the other hand, messing about with the other drugs you mention can so easily lead into deeper experimentation with eventual tragic results. Young people are of course the most at such danger and the dealers are also very clever at taking actions to increase their vicious trade by their nasty tricks.
I think that any such drug usage is a sucker trap, why do we see so many apparently intelligent people getting into serious trouble and going down the slippery slope to their doom. I think that drug usage is a more dangerous risk than having a few drinks without feeling you have to go over the top.
Incidentally, I have been under the influence of drugs just the once when an automatic injector of morphine in hospital after an operation went wrong and gave me a signiicant overdose, so I know what it feels like and luckily was not tempted to continue with that situation.
Under normal circumstances, alcohol use is easier to control as long as you are able to do so.
I have known people who have found alcohol use to be a risk because of their personal make up and they are sensible enough to avoid it.
I am in fact experienced enough in life and well enough educated to look at the facts as one sees them reported and to be able to make an educated opinion. I certainly would not be disposed to use the dangers of alcohol in the way you have done as an excuse to justify experimentation in drug usage.
Les
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There will always be an arguement out there and people on their favourable sides, but this thread isnt about that arguement
Lets hear some good more stories
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I think that any such drug usage is a sucker trap, why do we see so many apparently intelligent people getting into serious trouble and going down the slippery slope to their doom. I think that drug usage is a more dangerous risk than having a few drinks without feeling you have to go over the top.
I have never tried, nor wanted to do anything as stupid as Herion, I think there are obviously lines where things can be drawn but there are some Class A drugs out there that I would not consider dangerous and can provide a good time for the consumer, there is just a social stigma that it carries for alot of people who have been brainwashed from an early age, very evident in this thread. I off course would never pressure anybody to take anything and infact wouldnt even offer the opportunity to take them either, its a choice people should take on their own and completely respect that, but disagree with people judging those that do make the choice to try/experiment. We only live once, and its for living not worrying about what may or may not harm you.
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I think you are being unfair to call me naive. I really am not that stupid. That sort of remark does not bolster your argument either.
Of course I realise the troubles that alcohol can induce. You can get into trouble by consuming all sorts of things in an uncontrolled manner.
I said however that it is not all that difficult to have a few drinks within sensible limits for the reasons that you quoted above and to remain unaffected, ie not to become an alcoholic. There is nothing wrong with that. Did you not understand what I said? It is not going to have an immediate addictive result.
On the other hand, messing about with the other drugs you mention can so easily lead into deeper experimentation with eventual tragic results. Young people are of course the most at such danger and the dealers are also very clever at taking actions to increase their vicious trade by their nasty tricks.
I think that any such drug usage is a sucker trap, why do we see so many apparently intelligent people getting into serious trouble and going down the slippery slope to their doom. I think that drug usage is a more dangerous risk than having a few drinks without feeling you have to go over the top.
Incidentally, I have been under the influence of drugs just the once when an automatic injector of morphine in hospital after an operation went wrong and gave me a signiicant overdose, so I know what it feels like and luckily was not tempted to continue with that situation.
Under normal circumstances, alcohol use is easier to control as long as you are able to do so.
I have known people who have found alcohol use to be a risk because of their personal make up and they are sensible enough to avoid it.
I am in fact experienced enough in life and well enough educated to look at the facts as one sees them reported and to be able to make an educated opinion. I certainly would not be disposed to use the dangers of alcohol in the way you have done as an excuse to justify experimentation in drug usage.
Les
Of course I realise the troubles that alcohol can induce. You can get into trouble by consuming all sorts of things in an uncontrolled manner.
I said however that it is not all that difficult to have a few drinks within sensible limits for the reasons that you quoted above and to remain unaffected, ie not to become an alcoholic. There is nothing wrong with that. Did you not understand what I said? It is not going to have an immediate addictive result.
On the other hand, messing about with the other drugs you mention can so easily lead into deeper experimentation with eventual tragic results. Young people are of course the most at such danger and the dealers are also very clever at taking actions to increase their vicious trade by their nasty tricks.
I think that any such drug usage is a sucker trap, why do we see so many apparently intelligent people getting into serious trouble and going down the slippery slope to their doom. I think that drug usage is a more dangerous risk than having a few drinks without feeling you have to go over the top.
Incidentally, I have been under the influence of drugs just the once when an automatic injector of morphine in hospital after an operation went wrong and gave me a signiicant overdose, so I know what it feels like and luckily was not tempted to continue with that situation.
Under normal circumstances, alcohol use is easier to control as long as you are able to do so.
I have known people who have found alcohol use to be a risk because of their personal make up and they are sensible enough to avoid it.
I am in fact experienced enough in life and well enough educated to look at the facts as one sees them reported and to be able to make an educated opinion. I certainly would not be disposed to use the dangers of alcohol in the way you have done as an excuse to justify experimentation in drug usage.
Les
les apologies if you took offence, this is not meant to be a persoanl attack so dont take it like that, i did just presume as you seem fairly well educated that you would see my posts as a discussion, which is how there intended
my reference to niavety was in response to your comment of "alcohol can be addictive if you fall into binge drniking" or along those lines. that to me is niave to an extent.
so is your reasoning, to an extent also. its not an attack or argument its my opinion, its not meant to be derrogatry in any way.
ask your self why you drink? you like the effects of the drug, even in there milder effects. this is part of addiction, should you choose to beleive that or not is up to your perception, but you know its not benefical, you do it purley for the mind/mood altering effects.
the fact that you think you cannot become addicted after a few drinks is untrue also. beleive it or not.
just like alcohol, other drugs like ecstacy can be consumed without resulting in total dpendancy. infact if you look at most posters and maybe people you know, they describe use as a thing of the past.
most drinkers have a lifelong relationship with alcohol
and btw i dont use any of these drugs if thats what your implying, ive no reason to defend any drug over another.
ill probably leave it at that so as not to disrupte what i thkn the op,s thread was meant to be on
sorry for the tangent lol
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i just used to get charged up like scarface, tried mdma once, was showing someone something on the laptop was typing then suddenly my type started to sloooowww down, i thought i was fine, then i noticed and said "err yer, ill have to show you this later.. lol, i then fumbled trippyly back to my bedroom" lol
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I was in a car with a dude that had just done some acid ( was in my 20's so a free lift at any price was worth while ).
He suddenly shouted `NOT AGAIN !` and pulled over onto the side of the road and got out of the car. I jumped out too, asking whats up as Ive never seen the guy so serious.
He told me that the engine had just climbed out of the bonnet and ran off into a field and he was going to go and find it but not to worry as it has done this before :-)
Lets just say I never tried acid after this :-)
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He suddenly shouted `NOT AGAIN !` and pulled over onto the side of the road and got out of the car. I jumped out too, asking whats up as Ive never seen the guy so serious.
He told me that the engine had just climbed out of the bonnet and ran off into a field and he was going to go and find it but not to worry as it has done this before :-)
Lets just say I never tried acid after this :-)
SBK
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Some great nights had in MORLEY LEEDS,, in the ORBIT CLUB....
"Whats ya name, where ya from what ya had" hahaha
top nights
Its worring times now tho, all thses kids are on plant food stuff, M CAT or something like that,,, we've chucked a few younguns out of our local, they dont even know what planet there on.....
Ive got a 13 year old son and I live in a small town and its out of control here,,
many many moons ago it use to be a weekend clubbing thing, then hard graft monday morning back in work for £26 aweek...
"Whats ya name, where ya from what ya had" hahaha
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Its worring times now tho, all thses kids are on plant food stuff, M CAT or something like that,,, we've chucked a few younguns out of our local, they dont even know what planet there on.....
Ive got a 13 year old son and I live in a small town and its out of control here,,
many many moons ago it use to be a weekend clubbing thing, then hard graft monday morning back in work for £26 aweek...
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i started droppin pills around 2001 which led to coke kettermine mdma up untill 2007 when my lad was born very premature which gave me the kick up my **** to pull my finger out and sort my life out,but the quality of these drugs in the time i was taking them declined and was obvious that it was about profit for the dealers,had a great time ravin in fields and bunkers but had to grow up and lines of persil and pills of god knows what doesnt appeal to me anymore.i do like the odd reefa still as i dont really drink but thats about as far as it goes for me these days!
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firstly apologies for those who dont want to read it, just skip my post please
les apologies if you took offence, this is not meant to be a persoanl attack so dont take it like that, i did just presume as you seem fairly well educated that you would see my posts as a discussion, which is how there intended
my reference to niavety was in response to your comment of "alcohol can be addictive if you fall into binge drniking" or along those lines. that to me is niave to an extent.
so is your reasoning, to an extent also. its not an attack or argument its my opinion, its not meant to be derrogatry in any way.
ask your self why you drink? you like the effects of the drug, even in there milder effects. this is part of addiction, should you choose to beleive that or not is up to your perception, but you know its not benefical, you do it purley for the mind/mood altering effects.
the fact that you think you cannot become addicted after a few drinks is untrue also. beleive it or not.
just like alcohol, other drugs like ecstacy can be consumed without resulting in total dpendancy. infact if you look at most posters and maybe people you know, they describe use as a thing of the past.
most drinkers have a lifelong relationship with alcohol
and btw i dont use any of these drugs if thats what your implying, ive no reason to defend any drug over another.
ill probably leave it at that so as not to disrupte what i thkn the op,s thread was meant to be on
sorry for the tangent lol
les apologies if you took offence, this is not meant to be a persoanl attack so dont take it like that, i did just presume as you seem fairly well educated that you would see my posts as a discussion, which is how there intended
my reference to niavety was in response to your comment of "alcohol can be addictive if you fall into binge drniking" or along those lines. that to me is niave to an extent.
so is your reasoning, to an extent also. its not an attack or argument its my opinion, its not meant to be derrogatry in any way.
ask your self why you drink? you like the effects of the drug, even in there milder effects. this is part of addiction, should you choose to beleive that or not is up to your perception, but you know its not benefical, you do it purley for the mind/mood altering effects.
the fact that you think you cannot become addicted after a few drinks is untrue also. beleive it or not.
just like alcohol, other drugs like ecstacy can be consumed without resulting in total dpendancy. infact if you look at most posters and maybe people you know, they describe use as a thing of the past.
most drinkers have a lifelong relationship with alcohol
and btw i dont use any of these drugs if thats what your implying, ive no reason to defend any drug over another.
ill probably leave it at that so as not to disrupte what i thkn the op,s thread was meant to be on
sorry for the tangent lol
I like to drink certain types of alcoholic drink because I enjoy the taste
and by the same token I don't feel I have to drink so much of it that I become positively affected by the alcohol content. That is not the purpose of the exercise.
Of course some people can be adversely affected by alcohol very easily and also develop a craving for it and if you re-read my thread you will see that comment and also that it is down to the person concerned to avoid getting into that situation by self control and even total abstinence.
I accept that use of ecstasy within strictly controlled limits may well have no lasting effects even if it is mentally proactive.
The point I was makeing, or trying to anyway, is that both with alcohol and ecstasy if a person is susceptible to the effects and does not heed the warnings, then they can wind up on the wrong side of the drag curve on their way down.
I said that can happen to young people for lots of reasons and it is only too easy to carry on using more effective drugs in order to increase the buzz until they are lost in addiction.
I believe that sensible use of alcohol and being alive to the possible dangers is easier to cope with than falling into the trap of using more lethal mind altering drugs and that winding up as an incapable addict is something that can happen only too easily once you have gone a bit too far down that path. In the same way that I used to be addicted to tobacco! I also believe that it is easier but still not easy to stop alcohol addiction.
Les
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