Some hope for F1 Fans - Sky
26 November 2011, 10:19 AM
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26 November 2011, 10:39 AM
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Like the BARB viewing figures Sky's own figures come frm polling a crosss section of viewers (20,000 in the case of Sky I believe).
Honestly all this Big Brother stuff about the evil empire that is Sky is quite ridiculous!
26 November 2011, 10:45 AM
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Complete myth, Sky do not track viewing habits via your phone line or any other similar method come to that.
Like the BARB viewing figures Sky's own figures come frm polling a crosss section of viewers (20,000 in the case of Sky I believe).
Honestly all this Big Brother stuff about the evil empire that is Sky is quite ridiculous!
Like the BARB viewing figures Sky's own figures come frm polling a crosss section of viewers (20,000 in the case of Sky I believe).
Honestly all this Big Brother stuff about the evil empire that is Sky is quite ridiculous!
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The last bullet point is an interesting one as its so non-specific. I read that as an open-ended clause allowing them pretty much carte blanche.
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26 November 2011, 10:51 AM
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So with's the story with EJ then? Me personally I would like to have the current presenters/commentators just switch across to Sky.
26 November 2011, 11:07 AM
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Like phone hacking never happened
I for one don't belive that, if the infrastructure is there and the contract allows for it, then why not use it? It doesn't bother me. My ISPs have this ability, as do pretty much any website I visit (unless I specifically go out my way to block/hide it).
So no need to get all 1984 on me. If you want someone to do that with have a word with this guy who claims he found a camera inside his set-top box : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUUdc...eature=related (fake btw - its mounted on the transformer!
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26 November 2011, 11:13 AM
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Sometime they get really upset when people do this and threaten to cut you off, or in my friends case they sent him a large bill. He did of course tell them to Foxtrot Oscar, and they waived the bill when he plugged the box into the phone line again.
26 November 2011, 11:18 AM
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Like phone hacking never happened
I for one don't belive that, if the infrastructure is there and the contract allows for it, then why not use it? It doesn't bother me. My ISPs have this ability, as do pretty much any website I visit (unless I specifically go out my way to block/hide it).
So no need to get all 1984 on me. If you want someone to do that with have a word with this guy who claims he found a camera inside his set-top box : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUUdc...eature=related (fake btw - its mounted on the transformer! )
I for one don't belive that, if the infrastructure is there and the contract allows for it, then why not use it? It doesn't bother me. My ISPs have this ability, as do pretty much any website I visit (unless I specifically go out my way to block/hide it).
So no need to get all 1984 on me. If you want someone to do that with have a word with this guy who claims he found a camera inside his set-top box : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUUdc...eature=related (fake btw - its mounted on the transformer!
)"for one don't belive that, if the infrastructure is there and the contract allows for it, then why not use it"
is why you are sounding all Big Brother.
ISP, website comparison not valid as Sky is a blind system rather than a transactional protocol.
26 November 2011, 11:56 AM
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Now lets just see who first made the 'big brother' comparison?
Where in contrast, I'm just saying it as it is from the horses mouth in black and white (or red in my case
) that Sky's T&Cs does allow for it. Its in the contract I have previously signed and agreed to. Until you can provide other literature direct from Sky saying otherwise, I'll prefer to belive their contract over some other some internet forum random rambling claiming otherwise. 
Bearing in mind it also states it may use this information for internal use for market reasearch and to monitor and improve their products and services.
And my ISP/internet comment is valid - because if I was so paranoid about 'big brother watching us all' to which you infer, I wouldn't be using this forum ( http://www.internetbrands.com/ib/pri...=ScoobyNet.com ).
Where in contrast, I'm just saying it as it is from the horses mouth in black and white (or red in my case
) that Sky's T&Cs does allow for it. Its in the contract I have previously signed and agreed to. Until you can provide other literature direct from Sky saying otherwise, I'll prefer to belive their contract over some other some internet forum random rambling claiming otherwise. Bearing in mind it also states it may use this information for internal use for market reasearch and to monitor and improve their products and services.
And my ISP/internet comment is valid - because if I was so paranoid about 'big brother watching us all' to which you infer, I wouldn't be using this forum ( http://www.internetbrands.com/ib/pri...=ScoobyNet.com ).
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26 November 2011, 12:12 PM
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Er.... yes that is because that is how YOU are coming across. I made it about YOU! Jeez, how hard does this have to be?
OK then stick a line monitor on your Sky box's telephone port and then when it does abolsutely nothing for several months you can come back and apologise for the internet forum random rambling coment.... ever wondered if my opinion might be an informed one??? No somehow I doubt it as that seems to be beyond you as you would much rather be condescending and play the big man oneupmanship game ... how the f**k you became a mod on here is beyond me!
No it's not valid as IP protocol is a two way transactional protocol and the information you request when you click a link is sent back to the ISP by default whereas it isn't when you press a button on your Sky remote. The two things are completely different!
Where in contrast, I'm just saying it as it is from the horses mouth in black and white (or red in my case ) that Sky's T&Cs does allow for it. Its in the contract I have previously signed and agreed to. Until you can provide other literature direct from Sky saying otherwise, I'll prefer to belive their contract over some other some internet forum random rambling claiming otherwise.
) that Sky's T&Cs does allow for it. Its in the contract I have previously signed and agreed to. Until you can provide other literature direct from Sky saying otherwise, I'll prefer to belive their contract over some other some internet forum random rambling claiming otherwise. And my ISP/internet comment is valid - because if I was so paranoid about 'big brother watching us all' to which you infer, I wouldn't be using this forum ( http://www.internetbrands.com/ib/pri...=ScoobyNet.com ).
26 November 2011, 12:33 PM
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26 November 2011, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
]how the f**k you became a mod on here is beyond me!
Not once do I ever feel that I have to stoop to such a level in what is just a thread about Sky and Formula one.I'll apologise to Chris for allowing this thread to be devolve by even daring to reply or give my opinion or insight. Sorry Gearhead.
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27 November 2011, 07:37 PM
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Bbc couldn't afford to run f1 so not sure where this bully sky thing is coming from. Bbc have to cut their budgets and f1 costs so much that was one of the main things to go.
Sky will do coverage well if you are into football you will see that every week with their football coverage which is outstanding. Only thing I hope is they can pull in the top pundits. So brundell is going to sky, any others?
Sky will do coverage well if you are into football you will see that every week with their football coverage which is outstanding. Only thing I hope is they can pull in the top pundits. So brundell is going to sky, any others?
27 November 2011, 07:56 PM
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When we had our HD box changed the engineer did say you really should keep it connected to the phone line.
He didn't mention being cut off but he did say they would probably bill me. They ping the box randomly and if it doesn't answer they bill you. Not sure why.
He didn't mention being cut off but he did say they would probably bill me. They ping the box randomly and if it doesn't answer they bill you. Not sure why.
27 November 2011, 09:26 PM
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let's clear the phone line thing up.
in your contract it would have stated you must have it plugged intot he phone line (for a minimum of 12 months). When the "fitter" put our system in he made a pigs ear of the phone line, so i unplugged it all and removed this part. Within 2 weeks sky were on the phone offering to send an engineer around as the box was not plugged in. another few calls from them over the next few days and i gave in and wired it back in, until 12 months were up and then disconnected it. Never heard about it again (this was about 10 years ago) and have since upgraded to sky+ and also HD.
the reason for the phone line is primarily so that you can buy paid for services.
if they collect user info no idea.
in your contract it would have stated you must have it plugged intot he phone line (for a minimum of 12 months). When the "fitter" put our system in he made a pigs ear of the phone line, so i unplugged it all and removed this part. Within 2 weeks sky were on the phone offering to send an engineer around as the box was not plugged in. another few calls from them over the next few days and i gave in and wired it back in, until 12 months were up and then disconnected it. Never heard about it again (this was about 10 years ago) and have since upgraded to sky+ and also HD.
the reason for the phone line is primarily so that you can buy paid for services.
if they collect user info no idea.
27 November 2011, 09:28 PM
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let's clear the phone line thing up.
in your contract it would have stated you must have it plugged intot he phone line (for a minimum of 12 months). When the "fitter" put our system in he made a pigs ear of the phone line, so i unplugged it all and removed this part. Within 2 weeks sky were on the phone offering to send an engineer around as the box was not plugged in. another few calls from them over the next few days and i gave in and wired it back in, until 12 months were up and then disconnected it. Never heard about it again (this was about 10 years ago) and have since upgraded to sky+ and also HD.
the reason for the phone line is primarily so that you can buy paid for services.
if they collect user info no idea.
in your contract it would have stated you must have it plugged intot he phone line (for a minimum of 12 months). When the "fitter" put our system in he made a pigs ear of the phone line, so i unplugged it all and removed this part. Within 2 weeks sky were on the phone offering to send an engineer around as the box was not plugged in. another few calls from them over the next few days and i gave in and wired it back in, until 12 months were up and then disconnected it. Never heard about it again (this was about 10 years ago) and have since upgraded to sky+ and also HD.
the reason for the phone line is primarily so that you can buy paid for services.
if they collect user info no idea.
27 November 2011, 09:39 PM
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Nope, not true across the board. Chap at work has never had his main box plugged in to the phone line and after a few years he added a multiroom box for his daughter - this box also has never been plugged in and currently is providing his daughter with sky tv form a house 15 miles from his own
27 November 2011, 09:45 PM
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Nope, not true across the board. Chap at work has never had his main box plugged in to the phone line and after a few years he added a multiroom box for his daughter - this box also has never been plugged in and currently is providing his daughter with sky tv form a house 15 miles from his own
27 November 2011, 09:47 PM
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Is that clearing it up then?
The only reason they want it plugged in is so you can make impulse purchases on PPV/Box Office
They do not collect viewing data via the phone line as a matter of course - stick a line monitor on it if you want proof of that. It will do nothing!
The whole paying more to have it not connected is a con... my Sky HD installed last year has never been connected, I have never paid extra, I have never been phoned by them about it!
27 November 2011, 09:48 PM
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Nope, not true across the board. Chap at work has never had his main box plugged in to the phone line and after a few years he added a multiroom box for his daughter - this box also has never been plugged in and currently is providing his daughter with sky tv form a house 15 miles from his own
27 November 2011, 09:50 PM
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The original single room T&Ts stated that for the first 12 months of subscription, the contract required you to be connected to the phone-line (whether you wanted to or not). After 12 months you could disconnect (but obviously lose the convenience of paying for PPV easliy through the phoneline, and any phoneline-based interactive services, etc.)
I've been a subscriber from nearly the birth of Sky, and have always had the line connected - simply to be able to use all the services, if/when I need them.
Not sure whether these T&Ts have changed - but they wouldn't effect me either way (as I choose to remain connected anyway).
I've been a subscriber from nearly the birth of Sky, and have always had the line connected - simply to be able to use all the services, if/when I need them.
Not sure whether these T&Ts have changed - but they wouldn't effect me either way (as I choose to remain connected anyway).
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27 November 2011, 09:51 PM
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You 'might' be ok if it's a single box, it's more the multi room issue they are looking at i think.
27 November 2011, 09:54 PM
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your mate is not telling all the facts
other important points about your Multiroom Subscription
• Each Multiroom subscription you take out can only be viewed at the same Address as your first Sky digital subscription.
• The Box used to receive your first Sky digital subscription must always be connected to a fixed and operational telephone line while any Multiroom subscription is in place. All the Boxes used to receive your Multiroom subscription(s) must also be connected to this line and number and you must let us collect information through this line, including your telephone number (caller line identification or CLI).
• Each Multiroom subscription you take out can only be viewed at the same Address as your first Sky digital subscription.
• The Box used to receive your first Sky digital subscription must always be connected to a fixed and operational telephone line while any Multiroom subscription is in place. All the Boxes used to receive your Multiroom subscription(s) must also be connected to this line and number and you must let us collect information through this line, including your telephone number (caller line identification or CLI).
27 November 2011, 09:56 PM
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whats a good sky package, for bit of sport, documentaries, possibly film.
may have done a u-turn on buying if can get something around £35 monthly, if not, they can pee off lol
may have done a u-turn on buying if can get something around £35 monthly, if not, they can pee off lol